An Archivist's view of the SiS exhibition

Thanks Greg

I will pop back next week to take another look, being a keen drummer and owner of an identical Ludwig Silver Sparkle kit to Roger's 1980 version I am somewhat picky about his kits over the years

Interesting exhibition I enjoyed looking round, I hope you do another one of the later years sometime

Nice points AC30 about the drum kit - I visited on Saturday and was a little frustrated at the drum set up - yes, Roger used that (or similar?) Ludwig chrome finish kit in early/mid 80s, but I got the impression that the set up intention was to mimic a typical set up in the early 70's studio scenario and he certainly (to my knowledge) never used that kit then.

Just as putting a Les Paul/Fender in place of Brian's Red Special would not be right, nor is just putting any old kit in any old set up configuration and trying to say it's a replica of how Roger would have set up.

I'd like to see not only the right kit, but the configuration set up right, ie the right number of rack toms in the right place, cymbals placed correctly etc..., and not just the kit dumped there in the usual 'drum shop window' formation!  It might be really picky, but considering the detail in the multitrack machines, the floor contents etc.. the appropriate kit microphones would be nice too to really try to replicate that early 70's studio vibe.

I may be being too fussy (am I??). but to go to such fabulous lengths in some details of the exhibition but cobble together other parts is slightly disappointing.

ps Greg - some of the laptops were not working when I went on Saturday either (if I let you know what I couldn't see can you just run me off a DVD copy?!!!)

On a seperate issue regarding the exhibition, I don't recall seeing a single copyright notice (certainly not prominently in view) on any of the audio/video stations.  I am not condoning recording these, but it certainly seems that the Queen organisation aren't being as precious over this as in previous times.  Having said that, I don't agree with doing that because it is basically copyright theft - yes, the display is 'public', but you wouldn't be able to go into a record shop and just record what they are playing over their speakers or on their in store stations so I don't think it should be done here either.

cmsdrums wrote:

On a seperate issue regarding the exhibition, I don't recall seeing a single copyright notice (certainly not prominently in view) on any of the audio/video stations.  I am not condoning recording these, but it certainly seems that the Queen organisation aren't being as precious over this as in previous times.  Having said that, I don't agree with doing that because it is basically copyright theft - yes, the display is 'public', but you wouldn't be able to go into a record shop and just record what they are playing over their speakers or on their in store stations so I don't think it should be done here either.

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If they would just release this material on DVD there would be no need to record it.  Not that anyone's playing the "sense of entitlement" card, but a release of earlier material for true Queen fans is long overdue.  The fact that people are bringing cameras to record even a few seconds of new footage is quite indicative of the fact that there is a great interest in this footage, and that it shouldn't be limited to a few thousand people passing through the exhibition in London.

So I guess time will tell if there are any plans for official releases of any of this unseen material, or if it will cease to exist to the public once the exhibition is over..

Sir GH wrote: So I guess time will tell if there are any plans for official releases of any of this unseen material, or if it will cease to exist to the public once the exhibition is over..

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What if this is the plan for official release?

It's now been officially presented to the public, and the good people at QP can pat themselves on the back and say... "we're done with these old shows, but what's next? A new compilation perhaps?"

pirrakas wrote:

Do you know if a stereo copy of the Earls Court video is circulating? If that is old news, I am sorry, but for me that was one of the highlights of the exhibition! :-)

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No, the audio has always been in mono, even in documentaries... so this is a pretty substantial difference.  I hope we non-London folk get to hear it some day.

A nice gift from Roger and Brian to the fans, I think - especially if the whole thing makes Roger feel uncomfortable (old).  Ha.  It sounds very exciting.  I hope it does make it to other countries, but if not, it could always be a virtual exhibition - online.  That way, it could expand from time to time, with more items on display as they are acquired or organized.  That would be a very nice gift.  Thanks for the report, Greg.  You must have worked hard on this.

I just wanted to give kudos to Greg for posting here in a manner that is both pleasant and gracious.  I could learn to like that Greg.

Sir GH wrote: cmsdrums wrote:

On a seperate issue regarding the exhibition, I don't recall seeing a single copyright notice (certainly not prominently in view) on any of the audio/video stations.  I am not condoning recording these, but it certainly seems that the Queen organisation aren't being as precious over this as in previous times.  Having said that, I don't agree with doing that because it is basically copyright theft - yes, the display is 'public', but you wouldn't be able to go into a record shop and just record what they are playing over their speakers or on their in store stations so I don't think it should be done here either.

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If they would just release this material on DVD there would be no need to record it.  Not that anyone's playing the "sense of entitlement" card, but a release of earlier material for true Queen fans is long overdue.  The fact that people are bringing cameras to record even a few seconds of new footage is quite indicative of the fact that there is a great interest in this footage, and that it shouldn't be limited to a few thousand people passing through the exhibition in London.

So I guess time will tell if there are any plans for official releases of any of this unseen material, or if it will cease to exist to the public once the exhibition is over..

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I´m 100% agree with you bob...
As well as Greg said: "Yes you can use cameras, and, believe it or not, camcorders too!!!"
So... No problem with the recorders!

Hope they can re-work the sound and the image of Rainbow, Hyde Park, Earls Court and Houston. In Rock Montreal QP did a great work with the image and the sound.
The quality of the video of bootlegs of Hyde Park and Earls is horrible, but with a lot of work, who knows... We all saw the Sweet Lady in Hyde of the Making of ANATO. I wonder if Earls can be remastered at those point.

Hope they can arrange the sound and the image of Rainbow, Hyde Park, Earls Court and Houston. In Rock Montreal QP did a great work with the image and the sound.
The quality of the video of bootlegs of Hyde Park and Earls is horrible, but with a lot of work, who knows... We all saw the Sweet Lady in Hyde of the Making of ANATO. I wonder if Earls can be remastered at those point.

Sir GH wrote: I propose a Queenzone fund to buy our beloved friend Rick a new pair of pants... or preferably several pair of pants, as Rick will watch the DVD several times after it's released..

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Haha, how could I have missed this one? But it seems only 10 minutes of Hyde Park are available at the exhibition, so maybe a new pair of undies will do for now :-)

Rick wrote:

Haha, how could I have missed this one? But it seems only 10 minutes of Hyde Park are available at the exhibition, so maybe a new pair of undies will do for now :-)

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Haha, done.

Damn, I really want to see it. I hope it comes to The Netherlands, or Germany. Or some place else I can travel to more easily..

I wanted to go next week, but I find it a bit expensive for just this exhibition. I have seen London before, so no need to play the tourist again.

cmsdrums wrote: Nice points AC30 about the drum kit - I visited on Saturday and was a little frustrated at the drum set up - yes, Roger used that (or similar?) Ludwig chrome finish kit in early/mid 80s, but I got the impression that the set up intention was to mimic a typical set up in the early 70's studio scenario and he certainly (to my knowledge) never used that kit then.

Just as putting a Les Paul/Fender in place of Brian's Red Special would not be right, nor is just putting any old kit in any old set up configuration and trying to say it's a replica of how Roger would have set up.

I'd like to see not only the right kit, but the configuration set up right, ie the right number of rack toms in the right place, cymbals placed correctly etc..., and not just the kit dumped there in the usual 'drum shop window' formation!  It might be really picky, but considering the detail in the multitrack machines, the floor contents etc.. the appropriate kit microphones would be nice too to really try to replicate that early 70's studio vibe.

I may be being too fussy (am I??). but to go to such fabulous lengths in some details of the exhibition but cobble together other parts is slightly disappointing.

ps Greg - some of the laptops were not working when I went on Saturday either (if I let you know what I couldn't see can you just run me off a DVD copy?!!!)

On a seperate issue regarding the exhibition, I don't recall seeing a single copyright notice (certainly not prominently in view) on any of the audio/video stations.  I am not condoning recording these, but it certainly seems that the Queen organisation aren't being as precious over this as in previous times.  Having said that, I don't agree with doing that because it is basically copyright theft - yes, the display is 'public', but you wouldn't be able to go into a record shop and just record what they are playing over their speakers or on their in store stations so I don't think it should be done here either.
Hi CMS Drums
Indeed I felt the same about the kit, it was great seeing one of Roger's kits up close but I would like to see a period kit for Bo Rap.

Anyway will re-visit the exhibition next week to see what they have done and spend a little longer looking round

Togg