Queen I vs Led Zep I

"Truth is he didn't lose range. At all. "

Practically speaking, this is true.  Around '84 he definitely underwent a pretty noticeable change in tone, though.  He still did the high notes, but it sure didn't sound the same - sounded like a struggle, to be honest.  As I've already said in this thread though, I kind of prefer it that way ....  screw those wankers who make it sound effortless.

jpf wrote: Amazon wrote:


True, but not the way Skip does it.

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"You're crying again.

LOL"

Skip, that's the best you can come up with? Even for a Kiss fan, you're pretty stupid.

Zebonka12 wrote: "Practically speaking, this is true. Around '84 he definitely underwent a pretty noticeable change in tone, though. He still did the high notes, but it sure didn't sound the same - sounded like a struggle, to be honest. As I've already said in this thread though, I kind of prefer it that way .... screw those wankers who make it sound effortless."


One of my favourite vocal performances was on IWIA in which Freddie's voice was certainly not flawless.

Ancient Tablet Found: Oldest Readable Writing in Europe
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110330-oldest-writing-europe-tablet-greece-science-mycenae-greek/

Scientists say it was dificult to decipher the ancient symbols but eventually they agreed it says "Kiss suck!"

I just sent the article to a friend and linguist at the Royal Ontario Museum. His professional opinion is that it translates loosely as "More cowbell!"

Sir GH wrote: jpf wrote:

Freddie was in his vocal prime in the '70s.  He lost range due to smoking, drugs (cocaine), heavy drinking and vocal chord nodes.

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Freddie was always consistently strong in the studio.  Death On Two Legs, Dead On Time, Staying Power, and The Show Must Go On are all strong performances.

As for live, his peak was 80-82.  Oakland 80, Milton Keynes 82.. he never sang like this in the 70s... bar late 79.

Unlike what jpf say's,  Freddie's voice got better and better until he peaked in 1979 to 1982.   In 86 he was at his most powerful,  but lost some of his range.  I'm talking as a live singer.  Studio he was alway's brilliant,   but certain albums he peaked. Opera, NOTW, Hot Space were very strong vocally.

mike hunt wrote: Sir GH wrote: jpf wrote:

Freddie was in his vocal prime in the '70s.  He lost range due to smoking, drugs (cocaine), heavy drinking and vocal chord nodes.

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Freddie was always consistently strong in the studio.  Death On Two Legs, Dead On Time, Staying Power, and The Show Must Go On are all strong performances.

As for live, his peak was 80-82.  Oakland 80, Milton Keynes 82.. he never sang like this in the 70s... bar late 79.

Unlike what jpf say's,  Freddie's voice got better and better until he peaked in 1979 to 1982.   In 86 he was at his most powerful,  but lost some of his range.  I'm talking as a live singer.  Studio he was alway's brilliant,   but certain albums he peaked. Opera, NOTW, Hot Space were very strong vocally.
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He still was hitting B4s, and C5s live in 1986! He even shouted a couple C#5s and a D5!

rhyeking wrote:I just sent the article to a friend and linguist at the Royal Ontario Museum. His professional opinion is that it translates loosely as "More cowbell!" ===================== While I have great pride in our home grown expertise I've reluctantly concluded the European scientists are correct.  I've decided this because the article states that the tablet 'survived only by accident' which certainly screams 'KISS' to me.  Also, the dates seem right, as does the excitement over things long hidden, rock hard and Greek.  Finally, it made me laugh until my stomach hurt.  So, sadly, I think we have to give this one to the Europeans.

jpf...okay, like I said, I had not had any interactions with you in the past and was a bit taken aback on how it seemed you were always slamming Queen in comparison to other bands.

Brenski kinda attacked me, so I reviewed some of your posts. Although I don't think it was right the way you called me "dumbass" and other things...I think I understand what you are saying *most times*.

I like Kiss too..well, at least up to and INCLUDING "Creatures Of The Night"...but I like Queen MUCH, MUCH more.

I actually LOVE "Destroyer", "Love Gun", "Dynasty", "Unmasked", "the Elder" and "Creatures Of the Night".

What are your favorite Queen albums?

Zebonka12 wrote: "That wasn't a Nelson Mandela concert by any stretch"

I'm kind of glad.  If there's one thing that annoyed me about the 46664 gigs, it was all the random kids wandering onstage with drums and bongos.  Come on guys, what is this - open mic night?  Only 4 people need to be on that stage.  The rest of you can fuck off.

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If that's what you focused on then you missed the message.

jazzy mercurois wrote: There is no room for "IMO" when you talk about losing range.

He lost the range or not, it's very simple.

Truth is he didn't lose range. At all.

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He lost range.  He told the audience he couldn't go any higher.  He could in the '70s.  End of story.

jpf wrote: jazzy mercurois wrote: There is no room for "IMO" when you talk about losing range.

He lost the range or not, it's very simple.

Truth is he didn't lose range. At all.

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He lost range.  He told the audience he couldn't go any higher.  He could in the '70s.  End of story.
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It was more of a tounge-and-cheek statement: The bootlegs of the tour, show that he could still hit the higher notes. Wembley was right in the middle of the tour--and Freddie had a cold. He still hit higher notes on Wembley (on the bootleg), than the note he said "he couldn't go higher."

jpf wrote: jazzy mercurois wrote: There is no room for "IMO" when you talk about losing range.

He lost the range or not, it's very simple.

Truth is he didn't lose range. At all.

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He lost range.  He told the audience he couldn't go any higher.  He could in the '70s.  End of story.
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He had LESS range in the 70s (for the most part), than he did during the Magic Tour. Just compare the Bo Rhaps from the mid 70s to 1986. The Magic Tour versions are the closest versions to the studio (at least in the verses).

Here jpf: This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).

And here. This kicks the shit out of his 70s vocals. He actually hits EVERYTHING--falsetto, and the studio B4! 1986 live beats 70s live.