"It would be like Aerosmith writing songs about Queen Victoria. "
It's quite different, actually ... the consequences of colonialism and meddling in foreign countries are food for thought, or should be. Mistreatment of native populations is not a purely American issue, but I shouldn't need to tell you that. Regardless of what you thought of the song, "White Man" was a very good statement. A good rule to live by is to pay more attention to what's being said than the identity of the person saying it.
RE: "Woman is the Nigger of the World" ... you're not missing anything. It was the right statement to be making, but it's not much of a song. It's eighty billion on the Preach-O-Meter and frankly that's never fun to listen to.
Hangman_96 · Member since
jpf wrote: Gregsynth wrote:
Here jpf:
This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).
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Good, powerful vocal performance.
To me there's Freddie's '70s voice and there's Freddie's '80s voice. Very similar to Elton John's '70s vs. '80s voices. Lower sounding voice. Lower tone. He may be able to hit the same notes but they sound different.
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Ha! So you're a Queen fan too! I knew it.
And what do you think about Freddie's voice in Budapest?
GratefulFan · Member since
With regard to songs about American events/themes by foreign artists, it was funnyish because when I read the posts this morning 5 songs by Canadian artists or bands popped into my head without even trying. I've since forgotten one of the songs, but the others are Ohio and Southern Man (Neil Young), Armageddon (Prism) and American Woman (The Guess Who). None of them are very flattering. I'm sure there are others. I've been trying all day to think of Canadian songs about social issues in any other part of the world outside the African charity singles of the 80's. I've only been able to come up with one 1984 song that referenced the conflict in England/Northern Ireland, and it's a sketchy one because the band had one and eventually two British expats in it. I'm trying to figure out if that's odd. Why are we all singing about America?
jpf · Member since
Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Zebonka12 wrote: "If that's what you focused on then you missed the message."
It's a concert. The message should never leave the music in the back seat. I'll use someone you hate as an example - John Lennon. He did Imagine, which was musically competent and had lyrics that fit the thing. Then he wrote "Woman is the Nigger of the World", and got so hung up on the message of the song that he wound up with awful lyrics that don't scan well at all. It's all over the place. Granted, you probably don't know either song, but this works for any band.
"White Man", it's a Queen song that gets a bit of shit on this forum (for some reason) but the lyrics are bloody brilliant. Then you take "We Believe" - for some reason, 30 years later, Brian forgot how to write lyrics that fit into his own songs. Laden with shitty rhymes and words that just don't have any business in popular music. Keep it on the Soapbox, I reckon.
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Of course I know "Imagine". I don't know the other song and wouldn't want to.
It is difficult going to Brian's website these days.
Being from the U.S. I find it odd when British artists write about things American.
Queen "White Man"
Elton John "Indian Sunset"
Iron Maiden "Run To The Hills"
It would be like Aerosmith writing songs about Queen Victoria. ================================================================
This proves it: you are dumber than Dumb Daniel McDumb, winner of last year's "World's Dumbest Dimwit" award. ---
Honestly, shut the fuck up. You're nothing but a cunt.
You bring nothing to the table. You're a dumbass.
Nobody gives a shit what you think.
jpf · Member since
brENsKi wrote: jpf can you answer two questions please:
1. why is it odd for british musicians to write about american history?....(we were there first, the pilgrims met the native american's...and key to all of this...many "modern" americans are of british, italian, irish, french, swedish, chinese descent....be interesting to hear what you think a proper american is
2. when did this thread change it's title..to.... Queen i vs Ledzep I vs Kiss I ? ...try and stay on topic ---
1. It sounds forced. It has nothing to do with their history or background.
2. If you're not interested in anything related to KISS then don't read it and move along. Simple concept. BTW, I don't see any references to KISS' first lp in this discussion. You're the one who brought it up.
jpf · Member since
Zebonka12 wrote: "It would be like Aerosmith writing songs about Queen Victoria. "
It's quite different, actually ... the consequences of colonialism and meddling in foreign countries are food for thought, or should be. Mistreatment of native populations is not a purely American issue, but I shouldn't need to tell you that. Regardless of what you thought of the song, "White Man" was a very good statement. A good rule to live by is to pay more attention to what's being said than the identity of the person saying it.
RE: "Woman is the Nigger of the World" ... you're not missing anything. It was the right statement to be making, but it's not much of a song. It's eighty billion on the Preach-O-Meter and frankly that's never fun to listen to. ---
RE: "White Man"
A bit too preachy for my tastes. Sort of like listening to Stryper and knowing that you're going to be preached to. Not into political rock.
I put WM in the meh category. Don't hate it, don't love it.
jpf · Member since
Lostman wrote: jpf wrote: Gregsynth wrote:
Here jpf:
This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).
----
Good, powerful vocal performance.
To me there's Freddie's '70s voice and there's Freddie's '80s voice. Very similar to Elton John's '70s vs. '80s voices. Lower sounding voice. Lower tone. He may be able to hit the same notes but they sound different.
====
Ha! So you're a Queen fan too! I knew it.
And what do you think about Freddie's voice in Budapest? ---
When have I ever said I wasn't a Queen fan?
I'd have to listen to a Budapest show.
Holly2003 · Member since
jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Zebonka12 wrote: "If that's what you focused on then you missed the message."
It's a concert. The message should never leave the music in the back seat. I'll use someone you hate as an example - John Lennon. He did Imagine, which was musically competent and had lyrics that fit the thing. Then he wrote "Woman is the Nigger of the World", and got so hung up on the message of the song that he wound up with awful lyrics that don't scan well at all. It's all over the place. Granted, you probably don't know either song, but this works for any band.
"White Man", it's a Queen song that gets a bit of shit on this forum (for some reason) but the lyrics are bloody brilliant. Then you take "We Believe" - for some reason, 30 years later, Brian forgot how to write lyrics that fit into his own songs. Laden with shitty rhymes and words that just don't have any business in popular music. Keep it on the Soapbox, I reckon.
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Of course I know "Imagine". I don't know the other song and wouldn't want to.
It is difficult going to Brian's website these days.
Being from the U.S. I find it odd when British artists write about things American.
Queen "White Man"
Elton John "Indian Sunset"
Iron Maiden "Run To The Hills"
It would be like Aerosmith writing songs about Queen Victoria. ================================================================
This proves it: you are dumber than Dumb Daniel McDumb, winner of last year's "World's Dumbest Dimwit" award. ---
Honestly, shut the fuck up. You're nothing but a cunt.
You bring nothing to the table. You're a dumbass.
Nobody gives a shit what you think. ==============================================================================
Honestly no. Nice of you not to care but continue to keep replying, You're not even bright enough to figure that one out. You're my little poodle, barking every time I tell you to. And Kiss suck! lol
This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).
----
Good, powerful vocal performance.
To me there's Freddie's '70s voice and there's Freddie's '80s voice. Very similar to Elton John's '70s vs. '80s voices. Lower sounding voice. Lower tone. He may be able to hit the same notes but they sound different.
====
Ha! So you're a Queen fan too! I knew it.
And what do you think about Freddie's voice in Budapest? ---
When have I ever said I wasn't a Queen fan?
I'd have to listen to a Budapest show.
====
I just thought you were only a KISS fan and you didn't like Queen. Sorry for confusion!
Which Queen concerts have you seen?
jpf · Member since
Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Zebonka12 wrote: "If that's what you focused on then you missed the message."
It's a concert. The message should never leave the music in the back seat. I'll use someone you hate as an example - John Lennon. He did Imagine, which was musically competent and had lyrics that fit the thing. Then he wrote "Woman is the Nigger of the World", and got so hung up on the message of the song that he wound up with awful lyrics that don't scan well at all. It's all over the place. Granted, you probably don't know either song, but this works for any band.
"White Man", it's a Queen song that gets a bit of shit on this forum (for some reason) but the lyrics are bloody brilliant. Then you take "We Believe" - for some reason, 30 years later, Brian forgot how to write lyrics that fit into his own songs. Laden with shitty rhymes and words that just don't have any business in popular music. Keep it on the Soapbox, I reckon.
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Of course I know "Imagine". I don't know the other song and wouldn't want to.
It is difficult going to Brian's website these days.
Being from the U.S. I find it odd when British artists write about things American.
Queen "White Man"
Elton John "Indian Sunset"
Iron Maiden "Run To The Hills"
It would be like Aerosmith writing songs about Queen Victoria. ================================================================
This proves it: you are dumber than Dumb Daniel McDumb, winner of last year's "World's Dumbest Dimwit" award. ---
Honestly, shut the fuck up. You're nothing but a cunt.
You bring nothing to the table. You're a dumbass.
Nobody gives a shit what you think. ==============================================================================
Honestly no. Nice of you not to care but continue to keep replying, You're not even bright enough to figure that one out. You're my little poodle, barking every time I tell you to. And Kiss suck! lol
Now bark some more, bitch. lol
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Since this discussion board doesn't have an Ignore feature, consider yourself ignored.
You're a fucking cunt, bring nothing to the table, and you're not worth my time.
This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).
----
Good, powerful vocal performance.
To me there's Freddie's '70s voice and there's Freddie's '80s voice. Very similar to Elton John's '70s vs. '80s voices. Lower sounding voice. Lower tone. He may be able to hit the same notes but they sound different.
====
Ha! So you're a Queen fan too! I knew it.
And what do you think about Freddie's voice in Budapest? ---
When have I ever said I wasn't a Queen fan?
I'd have to listen to a Budapest show.
====
I just thought you were only a KISS fan and you didn't like Queen. Sorry for confusion!
Which Queen concerts have you seen? ---
I never did get to see Queen in concert. They stopped touring in the U.S. two years before I started going to concerts.
I did see Queen + Paul Rodgers on the "Return Of The Champions" tour.
john bodega · Member since
"Not into political rock"
Yeah, very understandable. I'm willing to listen to it if the song is well crafted enough, like I feel "White Man" is. Very fine line though, between something that's listenable and something that makes you want to gouge some eyeballs out - without really caring who they belong to.
This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).
----
Good, powerful vocal performance.
To me there's Freddie's '70s voice and there's Freddie's '80s voice. Very similar to Elton John's '70s vs. '80s voices. Lower sounding voice. Lower tone. He may be able to hit the same notes but they sound different.
====
Ha! So you're a Queen fan too! I knew it.
And what do you think about Freddie's voice in Budapest? ---
When have I ever said I wasn't a Queen fan?
I'd have to listen to a Budapest show.
====
I just thought you were only a KISS fan and you didn't like Queen. Sorry for confusion!
Which Queen concerts have you seen? ---
I never did get to see Queen in concert. They stopped touring in the U.S. two years before I started going to concerts.
I did see Queen + Paul Rodgers on the "Return Of The Champions" tour.
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Can you please share your memories about that concert? Maybe you took the pics or recorded it?
This is from Brussels 1986. Freddie completely nailed the 1st verse here. That 1st verse pisses all over the 70s versions. He NEVER went for the high notes in the first verse during the 70s (except for the Crazy Tour performances--but he would oversing the verse--instead of doing the album phrasing).
----
Good, powerful vocal performance.
To me there's Freddie's '70s voice and there's Freddie's '80s voice. Very similar to Elton John's '70s vs. '80s voices. Lower sounding voice. Lower tone. He may be able to hit the same notes but they sound different.
====
Ha! So you're a Queen fan too! I knew it.
And what do you think about Freddie's voice in Budapest? ---
When have I ever said I wasn't a Queen fan?
I'd have to listen to a Budapest show.
====
I just thought you were only a KISS fan and you didn't like Queen. Sorry for confusion!
Which Queen concerts have you seen? ---
I never did get to see Queen in concert. They stopped touring in the U.S. two years before I started going to concerts.
I did see Queen + Paul Rodgers on the "Return Of The Champions" tour.
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Can you please share your memories about that concert? Maybe you took the pics or recorded it?
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I saw the "Return Of The Champions" tour in Worcester, MA. Great show. Not sold out (which surprised me), but a good size crowd. I had floor seats not too far from the end of the ego ramp.
We did not get "'39". Brian had fallen into the piano pit at the show before ours and was still hurting from it, so this song was eliminated from the setlist. Bummer. Was looking forward to hearing it.
The band was excellent. The vocals were excellent. Much stronger with 5 people vs. 3 people. You could tell that there were recorded vocals for the "We Will Rock You" chant.
Most of the same setlist as "Return Of The Champions". They did play "Dragon Attack". I'd have to look for the setlist to see if there were any other surprises played.
Don't remember any flubs.
I'm not a Paul Rodgers fan. He has a good voice, but I was never into Free or Bad Co. He did a great job in Q+PR. He gets a thank you for doing it. Otherwise I would never have heard those Queen songs in concert and I would never have seen Brian and Roger play.
No photos or video/audio. Sorry.
Holly2003 · Member since
jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Zebonka12 wrote: "If that's what you focused on then you missed the message."
It's a concert. The message should never leave the music in the back seat. I'll use someone you hate as an example - John Lennon. He did Imagine, which was musically competent and had lyrics that fit the thing. Then he wrote "Woman is the Nigger of the World", and got so hung up on the message of the song that he wound up with awful lyrics that don't scan well at all. It's all over the place. Granted, you probably don't know either song, but this works for any band.
"White Man", it's a Queen song that gets a bit of shit on this forum (for some reason) but the lyrics are bloody brilliant. Then you take "We Believe" - for some reason, 30 years later, Brian forgot how to write lyrics that fit into his own songs. Laden with shitty rhymes and words that just don't have any business in popular music. Keep it on the Soapbox, I reckon.
---
Of course I know "Imagine". I don't know the other song and wouldn't want to.
It is difficult going to Brian's website these days.
Being from the U.S. I find it odd when British artists write about things American.
Queen "White Man"
Elton John "Indian Sunset"
Iron Maiden "Run To The Hills"
It would be like Aerosmith writing songs about Queen Victoria. ================================================================
This proves it: you are dumber than Dumb Daniel McDumb, winner of last year's "World's Dumbest Dimwit" award. ---
Honestly, shut the fuck up. You're nothing but a cunt.
You bring nothing to the table. You're a dumbass.
Nobody gives a shit what you think. ==============================================================================
Honestly no. Nice of you not to care but continue to keep replying, You're not even bright enough to figure that one out. You're my little poodle, barking every time I tell you to. And Kiss suck! lol
Now bark some more, bitch. lol
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Since this discussion board doesn't have an Ignore feature, consider yourself ignored.
You're a fucking cunt, bring nothing to the table, and you're not worth my time.
