PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Grateful...why do you even care whether I talk to JPF or not?
As far as you thinking I look like an "idiot" by doing so...why do you bother noting it? I understand how people can be on the internet and I simply don't let GET TO ME. I told him he was obnoxious and rude, but do you think he cares?
He's a big Kiss fan so I wanted to get his opinion about those albums. In the future, when you see my posts...SKIP OVER THEM.
I want to add one thing.....Zep is easier to copy than Queen....i heard a bunch of guy's do a robert plant and a Jimmy page. when someone is Influenced by Queen they can't (from what I heard) do a freddie or a Brian May. Even Roger's backing vocals are very unique. even when someone try's they can't get the Queen sound. Of course No one could do a Zep completely, but some have come pretty close. That's why you hear more rock bands with that Zep Influence. easier to do IMO. A singer in the 80's (forget his name) did a song that sounded 100% like plant, plant said it was a great Zep cover song. The song was original but was a plant rip off. George Michael sang somebody to love fantastic, but he still sounded nothing like Mercury.
The Real Wizard · Member since
mike hunt wrote:
Zep is easier to copy than Queen....i heard a bunch of guy's do a robert plant and a Jimmy page. when someone is Influenced by Queen they can't (from what I heard) do a freddie or a Brian May. Even Roger's backing vocals are very unique. even when someone try's they can't get the Queen sound.
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That's an excellent point. I've never seen a Queen tribute band where everyone has the goods. I have seen many great Freddies and great Brians, but rarely are they in the same band. Here's a great Brian ... the guitarist from WWRY Cologne..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhZGc6W3T0
He has the tone and the feel down to perfection. I have seen hundreds of guys try, but maybe half a dozen of them truly get Brian and can replicate it this well.
There are people who can play Bach, Mozart, Genesis, Yes, Frank Zappa, everything .... but there isn't a single group of people in this world who can sound like Queen. The sound will never be heard again. It's probably the single best compliment they could ever get.
mike hunt · Member since
Sir GH wrote: mike hunt wrote:
Zep is easier to copy than Queen....i heard a bunch of guy's do a robert plant and a Jimmy page. when someone is Influenced by Queen they can't (from what I heard) do a freddie or a Brian May. Even Roger's backing vocals are very unique. even when someone try's they can't get the Queen sound.
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That's an excellent point. I've never seen a Queen tribute band where everyone has the goods. I have seen many great Freddies and great Brians, but rarely are they in the same band. Here's a great Brian ... the guitarist from WWRY Cologne..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhZGc6W3T0
He has the tone and the feel down to perfection. I have seen hundreds of guys try, but maybe half a dozen of them truly get Brian and can replicate it this well.
There are people who can play Bach, Mozart, Genesis, Yes, Frank Zappa, everything .... but there isn't a single group of people in this world who can sound like Queen. The sound will never be heard again. It's probably the single best compliment they could ever get.
Good Brian May sound, but not a good Freddie. once again proving you're point of no band has all the goods to get that Queen sound.
The Real Wizard · Member since
But to their credit, this isn't a Queen tribute ... they do a variety of stuff. Check out the channel - they are excellent.
NOTWMEDDLE · Member since
The Thinker wrote: It is surprising that some continue to dwell upon baseless claims and comparisons in order to reignite some meaningful hope of seriousness or similarities much aligned to a preconceived inferred complex. Whilst perhaps at times it probably could have been originally media backed, orientated, created or concocted as a fallacy. There could also be external element of vested interest by commercial parties/sources. In hindsight it is quite ironic that this example and fascination continues to be exercised even though much considerable time has since elapsed. Nevertheless it remains a lurid comparison which seems to be forevermore cast into virtual suspended animation while precariously holding or clinging to an overzealous legacy. Eventually the elitist invariably has to accept they were left behind and things moved on. Almost to gaze into nostalgia as Queen started to re-write the record books. Whilst in short, as in any competition, it can be difficult to accept that something is more superior. Queen were refreshing not only with progressive sounds but they had more depth and variety and of course were a much better Live band. They also became noted for often pioneering firsts in many fields and with risk taking, with hindsight and ambivalence at times some of the ideas and changes were not always to everyone’s liking initially. But the band was also all-round better and polished. For example just imagine when you try to compare the background and thought process of a group of highly qualified, well read universities graduates that also had specialised skills and a variety of trades, it opens up many doors with endless possibilities and there’s really no limits or comparison as regards the quality that was to be produced. The major crux of the matter and fundamentally are the vocals, this is not even close; it would be woefully embarrassing to compare the two in that department (especially live gigs). Further with and importantly the quality and depth in song writing, lyrics and composition, since Queen is the only band that has had number ones by songs written by all four members. Should you wish to base arguments in terms of record sales and popularity Queen is about the 4th or 5th best selling artists of all time that is almost 100 million more in terms of sales, way ahead of Zeppelin even though they had started much earlier too. Technically Queen are the best selling rock band of all time since The Beatles were most averse to the pop genre. Keep in view that this is despite Queen being continuously politically blacklisted and often facing heavy media censorship/control within the United States, hence why Queen Albums rather strangely do not appear or have been spuriously omitted from the American charts. (An exceptional note should also be considered that sales were not even independently verified till the late 1990’s despite certification. Therefore many historic items have anomalies and the figures do not add up). The Wikipedia figures for Zeppelin have been alter and exaggerated numerous times in the last 4 years to evaluate their position. None of the figures are true no reflect genuine sales from verified or authentic sources. In terms of rock history they leave a in print but are not role defining. Led Zeppelin in short stuck to the same comfort zones for the past many years, since the vocals were rather limited. The height of Zeppelin’s success was from 1969 to 1973 before Queen appeared. Zeppelin never achieved a single number one hit in either the key markets in the US or UK. Even the over pre hyped Stairway to Heaven could only manage number 37 in the UK charts when it was subsequently re-released. Their best seller remains Whole Lotta Love which got to number 4 in the US charts in 1969, but was never originally released in the UK, although in 1993 it was re-released in the UK and only managed to get to 21. Historically Zeppelin’s track hits or success do not measure up to the hype. If you wish to attain or revert to the top independent market polls and surveys that are available which provide International global worldwide statistics, trends and information, there is again little doubt which performs better. Comparisons should not be made between Queen and Led Zeppelin they are two different animals It would be better or more favourable to compare Led Zeppelin to Black Sabbath, but Queen is another level, you cannot “regress”, retrograde or divulge such comparative propositions. Even with bias or constraints or pending egotistical aspirations they would struggle to demonstrate any legitimate warrant or claim with action or conversantly even within speculative scenarios. Also a mention to the high level faction of multi clone troll Gods together with the fan boys/girls and the misguided that regularly keep trying to raise Zeppelin’s profile polluting intransigent and counterproductive notions. It could well be just a case for resolve or recognition but reconciliation would require acknowledgement of closure much as a historic ultimate acceptance. That being said Zeppelin could not cope with The Rolling Stones during their prime and a comparison to Queen who were the elite during their reign would be short of embarrassing and comical.
Led Zeppelin are the second highest selling group in rock history in the US with over 100 plus million albums sold States side (behind The Beatles but ahead of The Eagles, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, The Rolling Stones, Van Halen and Metallica). Queen have sold 33 million albums in the States.
Zeppelin had SEVEN US #1 albums (Zeppelin II, Zeppelin III, Houses of the Holy, Physical Graffiti, Presence, In Through the Out Door and How the West Was Won) whereas Queen only had one (The Game). Zeppelin mainly played the States in 1975 and 1977 as that was the big music market.
Zeppelin was marred by tragedy in its last five years as a band (Robert Plant's car crash, the arrest of Peter Grant and John Bonham for beating a security officer, the death of Robert Plant's son Karac and of course the death of Bonham).
Farrokh The Great · Member since
jazzy mercurois wrote: My Fairy King blows away anything on any Led Zeppelin album, even all of them put together.
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john bodega · Member since
"Zep is easier to copy than Queen"
In what universe? I really don't think any of the Led Zeppelin tributes have a Gary Mullen among them - if there is, he's hard to find because I've scoured the Youtubes for him! A lot of them grow the curly hair and strut fairly well, but none of them is too good a singer. I thought Jamesnorthernva was a pretty good facsimile, but the more I've heard of him lately, the weaker he sounds. People carp on about Plant's voice being all kinds of things, but it's funny how no one can ape him accurately ... same sort of goes for Page, but that's not because he's brilliant - it's just because it's sort of impossible to imitate someone so messy. I'm not having a go at him, I'm just saying that guitar players often have a particular way of going about "unstructured noodling", and not all of them can easily go from one style to another.
That Roxxbusters guy is a pretty average sounding Brian. I have heard people do studio work that's very Brian, but (perhaps because of the nature of his live rig) I don't think anyone's nailed him live. Ones that sound like the guy linked here (and he's a great player) are a dime a dozen.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Zebonka12 wrote:
"same sort of goes for Page, but that's not because he's brilliant - it's just because it's sort of impossible to imitate someone so messy."
Check out clips of Jason Bonham's latest band... he's got the best Page imitator I've ever heard. All the stylistic elements are there, and he manages to pull it off without the sloppiness. I'll never see another Zeppelin tribute again because this guy just can't be topped. And his Plant was spectacular as well. When I saw them he nailed Since I've Been Loving You and I'm Gonna Crawl, both like the record. His 1970 tone was close, but his 1978 tone was identical.
"That Roxxbusters guy is a pretty average sounding Brian. I have heard people do studio work that's very Brian, but (perhaps because of the nature of his live rig) I don't think anyone's nailed him live. Ones that sound like the guy linked here (and he's a great player) are a dime a dozen."
Mmm, I disagree. I've seen plenty try, but most are missing the most key element - the vibrato. Maybe his rig wasn't doing him justice on that video. But I've seen him play two feet away from me, and trust me, he's the closest thing to Brian you'll ever hear.
brENsKi · Member since
*goodco* wrote: Is this thread still going on?
Why don't the moderators delete all of it?
Oh..............there are no moderators.
silly me +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ well, firstly...it's an open forum with free-speech presiding....secondly, the fact that it has lasted for 14+ pages shows it's a discussion worthy topic.....and a million times better and more interesting than all that "name your favourite track off XXXX album" or "vote for freddie in this frontman poll" crap
and lastly, while we're at it...."delete it" ?????????? why???????????? who the f**k died and made you God?
john bodega · Member since
"Check out clips of Jason Bonham's latest band... "
Indeed, that's who I was referring to actually. They poached the bald singer on the strength of some very good Youtube videos; perhaps touring just isn't for him, because the live stuff I saw was pretty weak sounding unfortunately. Although I think this has something to do with his overall technique - it's pretty clear from his (kickass) Youtube collaborations that he's not exactly belting it out at a high volume. That approach doesn't always translate well to a loud live environment - and for some people it's a road to vocal fatigue.
The thing about their guitarist is he plays Led Zeppelin very well. I don't think he sounds like Page though. Technically speaking, that's not a big deal - if I wanted to hear Page, I'd put him on! I like watching tribute acts because of the subtle differences, rather than as part of some everlasting quest to find a band that sounds 'exactly' the same because (for better or worse) they do not exist. Not for Queen, and not for Led Zeppelin - despite what was said a few posts ago.
I'm not sure I can put the subtle differences between famous players and their imitators into words. It reeks of mysticism to simply say "it's all in the fingers, players just play differently and you can't account for that" ... but I'm beginning to feel there must be some truth to this. Page just sounds like Page. When you watch "It Might Get Loud" and he does a little bit of 'Whole Lotta Love', you can see Jack White and The Edge just light up because it *sounds* exactly as it should. Different room, probably a different rig, but it's Jimmy playing it - 40 years later, he's still the only one who gets it right. Which is hilarious when you take his inconsistency into account ...
"I've seen plenty try, but most are missing the most key element - the vibrato. Maybe his rig wasn't doing him justice on that video. But I've seen him play two feet away from me, and trust me, he's the closest thing to Brian you'll ever hear."
It's interesting that you mention vibrato! I found, in my brief travails as a Brian-impersonator, that I really had to reign my vibrato in, as opposed to trying to bring it up to Brian levels. During recording it's not such a biggie, but I always found that the excitement of playing would be like amphetamines for my left hand, making the vibrato too damn rapid sounding for the material.
I hope I didn't give the impression that I don't think highly of the guy as a player - he is playing Queen very well in the video you posted. Almost spotlessly! But ... I've heard that before, from more than one player. I think the real leveler with music is to listen to it at some serious volume. I have no doubt that this guy would probably sound more like Brian if I were sitting right in front of his amp. When I saw The Who in 2009, the volume easily took 25 years off Roger's voice. When I watched the video afterwards, he sounded pretty old. *shrug* horses for courses!
The Real Wizard · Member since
Zebonka12 wrote:
When you watch "It Might Get Loud" and he does a little bit of 'Whole Lotta Love', you can see Jack White and The Edge just light up because it *sounds* exactly as it should.
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That is a glorious moment. They watch him like they're little boys again, and Page's attitude reeks of "Ok kids, watch grandpa and learn."
john bodega · Member since
Ha! Perfectly put. Most of the time I find his expression and attitude to be a bit insufferable, but in that particular scene it's pretty apt. I make no bones about saying that I'd be in pretty much the same frame of mind as the other two, haha.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Just about every guitar player would be. Well, maybe except Yngwie, cuz you know, he's faster and all..
Over the Field · Member since
I am a huge Queen and Led Zeppelin fan, and I don't compare them. I think that is stupid and it is not the purpose of music.
If you like or hate Zep or Queen who cares. Spend your time better than proving here which one is better. What's the big deal really? Enjoy their music or not.