Don't Lose Your Head...Seriously?

No Sheer Brass Neck I was asking in general. i agree with most of what you've said.

Delilah is weak, yes, but it's funny. In the same way Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is funny. I always thought Headlong was the worst song on Innuendo. And there's one Meow at  2.21 which is excellent.

So what is the worst Queen song? 'Fun It' is certainly as lazy as DLYH. Dragon Attack just grates, especially live. As does Son & Daughter without that super second guitar line towards the end. I think it will be a dark dark day when I listen to My Baby Does Me again.

dysan wrote: No Sheer Brass Neck I was asking in general. i agree with most of what you've said.

Delilah is weak, yes, but it's funny. In the same way Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is funny. I always thought Headlong was the worst song on Innuendo. And there's one Meow at  2.21 which is excellent.

So what is the worst Queen song? 'Fun It' is certainly as lazy as DLYH. Dragon Attack just grates, especially live. As does Son & Daughter without that super second guitar line towards the end. I think it will be a dark dark day when I listen to My Baby Does Me again.

You don't know anything about Queen if you don't like Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon and Dragon Attack....essential queen songs every fan should love....

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: "Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. "

True, but Queen playing those instruments sounded like Queen.  There was no identity to synths, and for the most part, who played them didn't matter in a band like Queen.  The Red Special wouldn't have been the Red Special with John Deacon playing it.  Brain May made that sound from his hands.  A pre-programmed Oberheim or Yamaha synth with sounds that anybody could use would sound like a pre-programmed Oberheim or Yamaha synth with sounds that anybody could use, from Queen to the Human League to Milli Vaniili, and Queen didn't do enough sonically (of course there are exceptions, but it was mostly basic synth pads and fills on synths, no virtuosity) to make it a big deal in their music so it was a bit of a wash.
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I agree with most of your reasoning, but I have to disagree with the last part. I sincerily think "Machines" is a real big deal in the crossover between rock and electronic music. It strikes me that the band that did so bad in Hot Space was capable to come up with such a masterpiece. I know many will not agree, but that is how I regard Machines: a masterpiece. This statement comes from a fan of Queen over the past 31 years that also loves electronic and pop music ever since. Brian and Roger as a composing duo were at their peak, ranging from the crossover Machines to plain rock in "I go Crazy". In fact, I dream they would take it on from there and be Queen again. Well, I ramble :)

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I agree with most of your reasoning, but I have to disagree with the last part. I sincerily think "Machines" is a real big deal in the crossover between rock and electronic music. It strikes me that the band that did so bad in Hot Space was capable to come up with such a masterpiece. I know many will not agree, but that is how I regard Machines: a masterpiece. This statement comes from a fan of Queen over the past 31 years that also loves electronic and pop music ever since. Brian and Roger as a composing duo were at their peak, ranging from the crossover Machines to plain rock in "I go Crazy". In fact, I dream they would take it on from there and be Queen again. Well, I ramble :)
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I agree about 'Machines', it was always one of those songs i overlooked on 'The Works', but recently I got very into it, I think it sets off the theme of the album (machines vs. humans), i mean, its hardly a coincidence thats its track 5, the middle track is it? It's actually an essential track for that album. 
I love when the rototoms come in, class moment. :)

Mike hunt - I love LOASA, I was using it as a defense for Delilah. I do dislike Dragon Attack LIVE though. That's what I said.

Besides the music, the lyrics of the song Machines are also very funny.  It's like they are showing off their computer knowledge - bytes, megachips, random access memory, disc drive, software and hardware etc.  I think they also invented a new word parahumaniodarianised :-)

Just wanted to chime in to defend Delilah.

I don't, of course, think it's in any way a 'great' song, but I've always considered it Freddie's attempt to just be goofy and hilarious - and I thought it worked.  Brian's 'meow' guitar section still makes me laugh...

It's software is hardware
It's heartbeat is time-share
It's midwife's a disc drive
It's sex life is quantised
It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised

Brilliant lyrics. :P

rhyeking wrote:  It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad."

I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" 

(For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.)

Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano.
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It's also okay to generally not like music that is dominated by synth.  It is not a betrayal of your inner toddler to recognize that you're entitled to your own opinion, but not everybody else's.
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I was being facetious with my point.

For example, I used to think anything computer driven, techno or dance wasn't real music ("There are no real instruments here!"), but eventually learned my view was narrow-minded. My point: Life is more interesting when bands broaden their scope, just as it can be more interesting for the listener as well, if they want it to be.

I've never said another subjective opinion is wrong, I simply present what might be another way of looking at things. Isn't that why we're here?
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My warmest congratulations on your journey out of 'narrow mindedness' (just not generally liking synth dominated music to some of the rest of us).  I'm looking forward to your journey out of a tendency to gag inducing condescension some day as well.  Best of luck.

I'm going to defend "Delilah" too.  I think it's a great track!  Is it the best on INNUENDO?  No.  But it's a nice breather from the depth of the entire album.  I'm sure Freddie thought, "ok...we have enough doom and gloom on this album, it's time for some fun."  It's a very heavy album, so I think "Delilah" provides great variety.  Plus, it seems every Queen album has some "fun" song on there...."Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon," "Bring Back That Leroy Brown," "Good Company," "Millionaire Waltz," and many more.  

I love DLYH.  Actually, there isn't a Queen song I dislike.  When I first heard "Modern Times Rock n Roll" I hated it, but now I love it.  Unfortunately, I haven't heard "A Dozen Red Roses for My Darling."  :(  I got excited when I bought AKOM 7" single and it was listed as the B-side, but that was an error.  :)

I also think the song Delilah is very funny.  Freddie must have thought that if there was a collection of poems about cats, which inspired a musical about cats, then why can't he also write a song about a cat called Delilah :-)

GratefulFan wrote: rhyeking wrote:  It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad."

I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" 

(For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.)

Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano.
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It's also okay to generally not like music that is dominated by synth.  It is not a betrayal of your inner toddler to recognize that you're entitled to your own opinion, but not everybody else's.
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I was being facetious with my point.

For example, I used to think anything computer driven, techno or dance wasn't real music ("There are no real instruments here!"), but eventually learned my view was narrow-minded. My point: Life is more interesting when bands broaden their scope, just as it can be more interesting for the listener as well, if they want it to be.

I've never said another subjective opinion is wrong, I simply present what might be another way of looking at things. Isn't that why we're here?
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My warmest congratulations on your journey out of 'narrow mindedness' (just not generally liking synth dominated music to some of the rest of us).  I'm looking forward to your journey out of a tendency to gag inducing condescension some day as well.  Best of luck.
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You take me far too seriously. Come on.

I mean, really? You're going to turn a lighthearted, if cheeky, observation and turn it into all this? Insults? Using my sincerity to pick a fight?

Whatever.

I guess if you like shit like this,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qN6-nkHNnw   then it's a great track.

Zebonka12 wrote: I guess if you like shit like this,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qN6-nkHNnw   then it's a great track.
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I think the similarities are superficial, value judgments notwithstanding.

rhyeking wrote:

You take me far too seriously. Come on.

I mean, really? You're going to turn a lighthearted, if cheeky, observation and turn it into all this? Insults? Using my sincerity to pick a fight?

Whatever.

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You know I might be a bit of a snark once in a while, but I'm an accountable snark.  I don't hide my tougher points behind a bunch of self serving crap.  On the other hand, your not entirely infrequent ventures into patronizing  and insulting drivel is safely tucked behind a screen of 'cheekiness', or being 'lighthearted', and now, god help me, your 'sincerity'.   It's precisely that quality that drives me (possibly irrationally) up a tree with you.   At least one of us takes you too seriously, but I'm not completely convinced it's me.