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Why was Mustapha so quiet during the first half.... I thought the whole thing was going to sound worse when I started listening ?
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dowens
I agree about Mustapha. It's very annoying with it starting soft, then loud, then going soft (or so it seems) again. Actually, I listened to the album on my expensive Shure headphones and wasn't very impressed. BUT, I need to give it another listen before making final opinions. Someone in another post said it was on purpose. No clue why.
The whole "Jealousy" thing is very interesting. Very. I would love to know WHY this bass drum was added...is this played by Roger Taylor?!
Let's keep this thread going...I'd like to see if someone can find the answer!
The whole "Jealousy" thing is very interesting. Very. I would love to know WHY this bass drum was added...is this played by Roger Taylor?!
Let's keep this thread going...I'd like to see if someone can find the answer!
smilebrian
I don't get what's annoying about Mustapha?
It's always been like that.
It's like that on vinyl. I love it. It isn't anything new to this remaster.
It's deliberately like this. I love the way it just explodes into life.... very cool.
Fat Bottomed Girls has a similar style in that it softens the guitar intro and builds.
The dynamics add so much to the feel of a song that sadly gets lost on CD in most cases.
A good comparo is Drowse on vinyl v cd. Completely different song on vinyl. If you've only heard it on CD and then play the vinyl (which I did) you understand the whole feel of Roger's intent and why the name Drowse works so well.
I'm getting carried away. Enjoy the dynamic swing in Mustapha, it's intentional!!!
It's always been like that.
It's like that on vinyl. I love it. It isn't anything new to this remaster.
It's deliberately like this. I love the way it just explodes into life.... very cool.
Fat Bottomed Girls has a similar style in that it softens the guitar intro and builds.
The dynamics add so much to the feel of a song that sadly gets lost on CD in most cases.
A good comparo is Drowse on vinyl v cd. Completely different song on vinyl. If you've only heard it on CD and then play the vinyl (which I did) you understand the whole feel of Roger's intent and why the name Drowse works so well.
I'm getting carried away. Enjoy the dynamic swing in Mustapha, it's intentional!!!
dowens
OK, sorry to bring this thread back to the top, but I had to tell everyone...
I finally now realize what I have missed out with "Mustapha" for all of these years. See, I grew up with the HR versions and quite honestly, that track on that version doesn't do it justice. After pulling out the vinyl, I realized how stupid my "annoying" comment was! And the 2011 remaster ROCKS!
I just wish the "mono" sound could have been a bit more obvious to my ears from the beginning...ah, I feel so dumb now. HA!
I finally now realize what I have missed out with "Mustapha" for all of these years. See, I grew up with the HR versions and quite honestly, that track on that version doesn't do it justice. After pulling out the vinyl, I realized how stupid my "annoying" comment was! And the 2011 remaster ROCKS!
I just wish the "mono" sound could have been a bit more obvious to my ears from the beginning...ah, I feel so dumb now. HA!
dysan
Jazz has always been a strange one sonically. I think I've said elsewhere it's difficult to make it sound more even without compromising the original intent. I like it.
The more I think about the kick drum thing the more find it odd. I'm not sure anyone would really have noticed would they? Just think that it was a good mastering job. The lack of decent sleevenotes on the bonus material has always been a curse with Queen (remember Brian's two sentence note for the KYA retake on the HR Queen 1 reissue?) - a better explaination would've done justice eitherway.
The more I think about the kick drum thing the more find it odd. I'm not sure anyone would really have noticed would they? Just think that it was a good mastering job. The lack of decent sleevenotes on the bonus material has always been a curse with Queen (remember Brian's two sentence note for the KYA retake on the HR Queen 1 reissue?) - a better explaination would've done justice eitherway.
Back2TheLight
Seriously? We're arguing over a kick drum on 'Jealousy'? I said this on another thread, but come on people, it's a fucking kick drum, that isn't that loud in the first place...how many of you would have even noticed it if nobody said anything? Remixed or remastered...who cares? Seriously...it's a bass drum, not a added kazoo part.
TyphoonTip
bambams-paradise wrote: Seriously? We're arguing over a kick drum on 'Jealousy'?
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Yes. It seems we are.
I said this on another thread, but come on people, it's a fucking
kick drum, that isn't that loud in the first place...
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Well, it's loud enough to be noticed, clearly.
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how many of you would have even noticed it if nobody said anything?
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I for one. I'm sure there would be many others.
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Remixed or remastered...who cares?
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Hmmm, I'm beginning t think you might have a brain injury. You started off the post by acknowledging that people are arguing about it. So yes some people care.
If you're finding it hard to follow threads and read other people's posts, perhaps start by reading your own.
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Seriously...it's a bass drum, not a added kazoo part.
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Correct. Well done, it seems we are able to pay attention.
Now I realise you've probably lost interest by this late stage of the post and are busy flipping between some lolcats on another tab, but I'll let you in on a secret; Music is art, and people appreciate art in different ways for different reasons. And here's the kicker, no one way is right or wrong! Crazy, I know!
It might also seem a bit weird, but given that Queen's music can be quite intricate, some people may actually enjoy these intricacies, and therefore become quite familiar with it. So it's not such a surprise that when a kick drum, or kazoo, appears out of no-where, it might be noticed.
Having said that, it's also equally valid to enjoy Queen's music on a more superficial level. Neither is better or worse. Just like when you noticed that it was a kick drum, and not a kazoo, while eating the contents of your freshly picked nose the other day.. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Yes. It seems we are.
I said this on another thread, but come on people, it's a fucking
kick drum, that isn't that loud in the first place...
______
Well, it's loud enough to be noticed, clearly.
______
how many of you would have even noticed it if nobody said anything?
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I for one. I'm sure there would be many others.
______
Remixed or remastered...who cares?
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Hmmm, I'm beginning t think you might have a brain injury. You started off the post by acknowledging that people are arguing about it. So yes some people care.
If you're finding it hard to follow threads and read other people's posts, perhaps start by reading your own.
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Seriously...it's a bass drum, not a added kazoo part.
______
Correct. Well done, it seems we are able to pay attention.
Now I realise you've probably lost interest by this late stage of the post and are busy flipping between some lolcats on another tab, but I'll let you in on a secret; Music is art, and people appreciate art in different ways for different reasons. And here's the kicker, no one way is right or wrong! Crazy, I know!
It might also seem a bit weird, but given that Queen's music can be quite intricate, some people may actually enjoy these intricacies, and therefore become quite familiar with it. So it's not such a surprise that when a kick drum, or kazoo, appears out of no-where, it might be noticed.
Having said that, it's also equally valid to enjoy Queen's music on a more superficial level. Neither is better or worse. Just like when you noticed that it was a kick drum, and not a kazoo, while eating the contents of your freshly picked nose the other day.. And there's nothing wrong with that.
dysan
I do believe it wouldn't have been noticed unless the one person on here who actually bought the cd and read the sleeve note :o)
Back2TheLight
TyphoonTip wrote: bambams-paradise wrote: Seriously? We're arguing over a kick drum on 'Jealousy'?
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Yes. It seems we are.
I said this on another thread, but come on people, it's a fucking
kick drum, that isn't that loud in the first place...
______
Well, it's loud enough to be noticed, clearly.
______
how many of you would have even noticed it if nobody said anything?
______
I for one. I'm sure there would be many others.
______
Remixed or remastered...who cares?
______
Hmmm, I'm beginning t think you might have a brain injury. You started off the post by acknowledging that people are arguing about it. So yes some people care.
If you're finding it hard to follow threads and read other people's posts, perhaps start by reading your own.
______
Seriously...it's a bass drum, not a added kazoo part.
______
Correct. Well done, it seems we are able to pay attention.
Now I realise you've probably lost interest by this late stage of the post and are busy flipping between some lolcats on another tab, but I'll let you in on a secret; Music is art, and people appreciate art in different ways for different reasons. And here's the kicker, no one way is right or wrong! Crazy, I know!
It might also seem a bit weird, but given that Queen's music can be quite intricate, some people may actually enjoy these intricacies, and therefore become quite familiar with it. So it's not such a surprise that when a kick drum, or kazoo, appears out of no-where, it might be noticed.
Having said that, it's also equally valid to enjoy Queen's music on a more superficial level. Neither is better or worse. Just like when you noticed that it was a kick drum, and not a kazoo, while eating the contents of your freshly picked nose the other day.. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Wow, was not trying to make this a personal stab at anyone in particular, sorry if you took it that way, but here's something you won't get from me...stooping to your 3 year-old sandbox attitude. All I was simply saying was that it's a kick drum, and to get so hung up over it is IMO rediclous.
Again, my sincerest apologies if you took it personal, it was nothing of the such. But I ask that you don't make rude comments about me again, unless you wish to step away from your computer screen and call me out in person, like a true adult would. I don't play those games here, and that standard won't change. Thank you, have a fantastic day.
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Yes. It seems we are.
I said this on another thread, but come on people, it's a fucking
kick drum, that isn't that loud in the first place...
______
Well, it's loud enough to be noticed, clearly.
______
how many of you would have even noticed it if nobody said anything?
______
I for one. I'm sure there would be many others.
______
Remixed or remastered...who cares?
______
Hmmm, I'm beginning t think you might have a brain injury. You started off the post by acknowledging that people are arguing about it. So yes some people care.
If you're finding it hard to follow threads and read other people's posts, perhaps start by reading your own.
______
Seriously...it's a bass drum, not a added kazoo part.
______
Correct. Well done, it seems we are able to pay attention.
Now I realise you've probably lost interest by this late stage of the post and are busy flipping between some lolcats on another tab, but I'll let you in on a secret; Music is art, and people appreciate art in different ways for different reasons. And here's the kicker, no one way is right or wrong! Crazy, I know!
It might also seem a bit weird, but given that Queen's music can be quite intricate, some people may actually enjoy these intricacies, and therefore become quite familiar with it. So it's not such a surprise that when a kick drum, or kazoo, appears out of no-where, it might be noticed.
Having said that, it's also equally valid to enjoy Queen's music on a more superficial level. Neither is better or worse. Just like when you noticed that it was a kick drum, and not a kazoo, while eating the contents of your freshly picked nose the other day.. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Wow, was not trying to make this a personal stab at anyone in particular, sorry if you took it that way, but here's something you won't get from me...stooping to your 3 year-old sandbox attitude. All I was simply saying was that it's a kick drum, and to get so hung up over it is IMO rediclous.
Again, my sincerest apologies if you took it personal, it was nothing of the such. But I ask that you don't make rude comments about me again, unless you wish to step away from your computer screen and call me out in person, like a true adult would. I don't play those games here, and that standard won't change. Thank you, have a fantastic day.
Back2TheLight
dysan wrote: I do believe it wouldn't have been noticed unless the one person on here who actually bought the cd and read the sleeve note :o)
Agreed!
Agreed!
TyphoonTip
bambams-paradise wrote: Wow, was not trying to make this a personal stab at anyone in particular, sorry if you took it that way, but here's something you won't get from me...stooping to your 3 year-old sandbox attitude. All I was simply saying was that it's a kick drum, and to get so hung up over it is IMO rediclous.
Again, my sincerest apologies if you took it personal, it was nothing of the such. But I ask that you don't make rude comments about me again, unless you wish to step away from your computer screen and call me out in person, like a true adult would. I don't play those games here, and that standard won't change. Thank you, have a fantastic day.
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Fair enough, point taken. Any offence caused on my part, I apologise for.
I maybe read your post out of context. If you didn't mean anything by it, then that's fine. Misunderstanding all around. Sorry again.
I guess it just fed into a pet hate of mine, and that's people (not necessarily you!) that find it hard to accept they might experience music in a completely different way to others. And that maybe some people DO notice things like added kicks or bung bass notes or miss-hit snares etc.... Just pointing out that it IS possible and it's not abnormal or wrong. So to those people, me being one of them, it is a big(ish) deal that a kick was added to Jealously with no plausible explanation.
Equally, I find it annoying when you get music snobbery that looks down upon people who just listen to music in the shower or while doing the dishes etc..; and just assume they don't get the same sense of enjoyment, because they aren't as attuned the intricacies of the music. It's bullshit either way.
For the record, a friend bought Jazz 2011 and gave me a burned copy (he knew I'd want to listen before I bought). So the first time I listened, I wasn't privy to liner notes, and a thread had yet to be created. And yes, the moment the first kick hit, I scrambled for the remote to replay it. I though I was going mad & hearing things!
So, I did notice it. But that's just me; but I'm betting I wasn't the only one. I also don't like the 2011 remaster and prefer the 1986 first press. But if others like it, that's fine. ....Whatever floats your boat.
Again, my sincerest apologies if you took it personal, it was nothing of the such. But I ask that you don't make rude comments about me again, unless you wish to step away from your computer screen and call me out in person, like a true adult would. I don't play those games here, and that standard won't change. Thank you, have a fantastic day.
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Fair enough, point taken. Any offence caused on my part, I apologise for.
I maybe read your post out of context. If you didn't mean anything by it, then that's fine. Misunderstanding all around. Sorry again.
I guess it just fed into a pet hate of mine, and that's people (not necessarily you!) that find it hard to accept they might experience music in a completely different way to others. And that maybe some people DO notice things like added kicks or bung bass notes or miss-hit snares etc.... Just pointing out that it IS possible and it's not abnormal or wrong. So to those people, me being one of them, it is a big(ish) deal that a kick was added to Jealously with no plausible explanation.
Equally, I find it annoying when you get music snobbery that looks down upon people who just listen to music in the shower or while doing the dishes etc..; and just assume they don't get the same sense of enjoyment, because they aren't as attuned the intricacies of the music. It's bullshit either way.
For the record, a friend bought Jazz 2011 and gave me a burned copy (he knew I'd want to listen before I bought). So the first time I listened, I wasn't privy to liner notes, and a thread had yet to be created. And yes, the moment the first kick hit, I scrambled for the remote to replay it. I though I was going mad & hearing things!
So, I did notice it. But that's just me; but I'm betting I wasn't the only one. I also don't like the 2011 remaster and prefer the 1986 first press. But if others like it, that's fine. ....Whatever floats your boat.
tomchristie22
When I like a song at a point, I usually listen to it at that point on its own (outside album context) fairly frequently, so at one point I was listening to Jealousy quite a bit. When I heard the kick drum on the 2011 remaster I noticed it instantly. So I don't know if that's just me listening to songs in excess or what :P
Dane
Haha... great discussion!
The bass kick suits the song and is part of how it was originally recorded.
To me it adds a great deal of depth to the song. I Like it.
The song fits better into the album as a whole. Eventhough it might be a fuck up.
The bass kick suits the song and is part of how it was originally recorded.
To me it adds a great deal of depth to the song. I Like it.
The song fits better into the album as a whole. Eventhough it might be a fuck up.
tomchristie22
Mistake or not, I think it sounds better. It's only a subtle difference but it's an improvement
YAFF
I've wondered the same thing. The openining of "Mustapha" seems rather flat compared to the rest of the cut. Now, I didn't own the previous two editions on cd but is this how it is supposed to be? I don't feel like digging out my vinyl.