Final batch bonus EP tracklist

Before Freddie Died, he said to Jim Beach: "Never make my music boring".
Well. You fucked up there Jim. I'm bored! 
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Amen!

I'm sorry to say, but I'm very disappointed with the EPs! Not only the "die hard" fans and collectors, but the simple fans were expecting something more interessant. Putting single versions as bonus material, exactly the same thing that we ALREADY bought in the single box sets, or put extracts from the live CDs we ALL have at least a dozen copies, for me is just let clear that Queen Productions don't care about Queen fans

Terrible, most of this stuff has already been released for gods sake! What about Dog with a Bone or Robbery? One Vision live at Wembley, come on! At least the Hollywood Records had some interesting remixes.

The Headlong Video mix would have been good.

Most of these bonus tracks may suck for the hardcore fans.. but for any casual Queen fan, just about all of these tracks will offer something new.  Do you think the man on the street who only knows I Want It All has tracked down all of The Miracle B-sides?

The average person doesn't care about unfinished songs - the word "B-side" will likely lead to a sale, because it's at least a finished song.  There are a few tracks of interest for the hardcore fans, but the difference in sales would be minimal if they weren't included.

Since the 80s, Queen have been a singles band, not an album band.  These re-releases are exposing a ton of people to music that's new to them.  Queen want to remain relevant and see their old records sell well.  They know exactly what they're doing.  They have a very good business plan.  They may not have done everything perfectly in the last 20 years, but they are bang on with their ideology when it comes to these re-releases.

This thread is full of people complaining, and you're all entitled.  But you guys represent less than 1% of the people who will be happily purchasing the Queen remasters with plenty of tracks they've never heard before.

Just playing devil's advocate here .. !

Queen productions should take a look at what for example bands like Kiss, the Beatles or Pink Floyd did with anthology boxsets but i am affraid Brian and Roger will never get it right. Such a shame. This 40th anniversary turned out to be a real disaster.

advanced159 wrote:

i think they gonna use the first night, but overdubbed.....the same they do with "action this day" from japan

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Doesn't sound like it was overdubbed to me.  If you're referring to Roger's first line being missing, you're hearing the audience recording, i.e. the house mix.  Just because the front of house guy didn't turn up Roger's fader for his first line of the show (a common mistake, even by the best sound guy) doesn't mean it still wasn't being recorded.

As far as I can tell, everything that has been officially released from this date is from the same stereo mix - just EQ'd differently, and with some compression on these latest remasters.  They may not even have the multi-tracks, because there has never been an overdub on any of the songs.

Sir GH wrote: Most of these bonus tracks may suck for the hardcore fans.. but for any casual Queen fan, just about all of these tracks will offer something new.  Do you think the man on the street who only knows I Want It All has tracked down all of The Miracle B-sides?

The average person doesn't care about unfinished songs - the word "B-side" will likely lead to a sale, because it's at least a finished song.  There are a few tracks of interest for the hardcore fans, but the difference in sales would be minimal if they weren't included.

Since the 80s, Queen have been a singles band, not an album band.  These re-releases are exposing a ton of people to music that's new to them.  Queen want to remain relevant and see their old records sell well.  They know exactly what they're doing.  They have a very good business plan.  They may not have done everything perfectly in the last 20 years, but they are bang on with their ideology when it comes to these re-releases.

This thread is full of people complaining, and you're all entitled.  But you guys represent less than 1% of the people who will be happily purchasing the Queen remasters with plenty of tracks they've never heard before.

Just playing devil's advocate here .. !
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I know is his music and they can make anything with his music, even don´t release nothing, but.... i think even a casual Queen fan (who only knows boh rap and we will rock you/we are the champions) can found better things in Youtube...
I belive that with internet the times has changing... we (hardcore,casual or even no Queen fans) have more access to certain "bootleg,unofficial" recordings,footage than in other times wich only hardocres fans (and sometimes hardcore fans with money) could access  to certains "rares" recordings.

But it´s only mi point of view... and as i said before: is his music and they can do anything with it... but it´s a prudent desition of his part release this "worn-out" things as some new or rare?? cause even for the more casual fan wembley 86 isn´t some new...

Cheers!

Seriously, the Miracle is a joke. And where the hell are Blurred Vision & A Dozen Red Roses From My Darling??

MERQRY wrote:

cause even for the more casual fan wembley 86 isn´t some new...

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Sure, but the casual fan still won't mind hearing a track or two from Wembley a few more times.  It's not like they've heard 5-10 Magic tour shows, like a fair portion of people at this forum have.

You're definitely right about Youtube, but having all the bonus tracks on a single disc is still pretty convenient.  Plenty of people still do like the physical product, and if it contains a lot of songs they've never heard, they'll buy it.

We just need to realize here that the fans posting at this forum are an extreme minority of the general buying public.  Brian and Roger are doing everything they can to keep the Queen name in public consciousness long after they're dead.  They're doing a damn good job of it overall, and that really is the bottom line.

Maybe the anthology will come later.  All we can do is wait and be happy with the few teasers they're throwing at us in the meantime.  There have been about a dozen such tracks released - it could have easily been zero, and the sales figures would have barely been affected.

Sir GH wrote: advanced159 wrote:

i think they gonna use the first night, but overdubbed.....the same they do with "action this day" from japan

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Doesn't sound like it was overdubbed to me.  If you're referring to Roger's first line being missing, you're hearing the audience recording, i.e. the house mix.  Just because the front of house guy didn't turn up Roger's fader for his first line (a common mistake, even by the best sound guy) doesn't mean it still wasn't being recorded.

As far as I can tell, everything to be officially released from this date is from the same stereo mix - just EQ'd differently.  They may not even have the multi-tracks, because there has never been an overdub on any of the songs.

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Bob, the other day i was thinking about earls court (and i belive i have said this before) since they have removed almost all the "blow amp" sound in You take My Breath Away we could say they have the multitracks from at least the first gig??
Other intresting thing is that the audience sound good and loud in the 39 released in the bonus EP from ANATO... yes, i know it´s from the second gig and we only have the first gig to compare but maybe they have a Stereo (39 sound stereo) soundboard + audience from the aud mics... or have they the multitracks from any (or the two) of these earls court gigs...

i`m pretty courius about how many multitracks have QP in their archives... or how many gigs were recorded "in Multitracks"...
At the moment "we" have:Rainbow march 74; Rainbow nov,74 (since aparently it´s overdubbed in some parts) ; Hamm 75 ; Hyde Park 76 ; Earls court  77 ??? ; some "bob harris" gig recorded for his documentary?? ;  ; most of the live killers tour ; Hamm 79 (altough the MT are aparently lost) ; Montreal 1981 ; Milton Keynes 82 ; rio 85 ?? ; some "magic" gigs 86 (wembley,Budapest, knebworth)

i was always surprised about how many gigs were filmed by queen (in these times the bands don´t care much about record their gigs)

Chees!

>>> There have been about a dozen such tracks released - it could have easily been zero, and the sales figures would have barely been affected.

True. But it could've just as easily been twenty-four, thirty-six or forty-eight, costing them almost the same effort, barely affecting sales figures AND being a product more worthy of the hugely professional band they used to be.

And I think some complaints stem from there: yes, we know they don't owe us anything; yes, we know the man in the street will probably buy them even though he can get far rarer material via YT; yes, we know a lot of those who complain will still buy them anyway so sales, at the end, will not be affected; yes, we know Mayor don't give a fuck about a couple dozen disappointed buyers when they've got twenty-five thousand satisfied customers; yes, we know these new releases could've been a lot worse.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT...

It doesn't mean we should feel blessed for such a mediocre job, especially for a 40-year celebration of a band who were hardly ever that lazy.

If I walk down the street and find out a bloke stole my wallet, should I rejoyce over the fact he didn't stab or shoot me or have I got the right to complain about my wallet being lost?

Sure, what they've done here is neither criminal nor I mean for the analogy to be taken literally, but that's my point: not everybody who complains is whining or moaning, and not everybody who's not satisfied with *this* is a person who can never be happy, and not everybody who criticises these releases is criticising for the sake of it.

You're more than entitled to your opinion but it's important to respect ours too. Myself, I don't think these releases are crap or shite or regurgitated tripe (well, part of them is), but I do think they could've been muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better and they're, indeed, a lost opportunity.

MERQRY wrote:

"Other intresting thing is that the audience sound good and loud in the 39 released in the bonus EP from ANATO... yes, i know it´s from the second gig and we only have the first gig to compare but maybe they have a Stereo (39 sound stereo) soundboard + audience from the aud mics... or have they the multitracks from any (or the two) of these earls court gigs..."

The first night was shown at the Stormtroopers exhibition this year, and it was apparently a brand new stereo mix.  So bearing in mind the 'Breath Away' fix and the fact that the vocal harmonies in '39 from the second night are so crisp, it does seem like they have the multis from both nights at Earls Court.  GT confirmed that Freddie's piano mic wasn't recorded on the first night, which means there is still a definite possibility of tracks being released on DVD in superb quality some day.

"At the moment "we" have:Rainbow march 74; Rainbow nov,74 (since aparently it´s overdubbed in some parts) ; Hamm 75 ; Hyde Park 76 ; Earls court  77 ??? ; some "bob harris" gig recorded for his documentary?? ;  ; most of the live killers tour ; Hamm 79 (altough the MT are aparently lost) ; Montreal 1981 ; Milton Keynes 82 ; rio 85 ?? ; some "magic" gigs 86 (wembley,Budapest, knebworth)"

Not sure about Hyde Park and Rio.  Never heard any overdubs in those shows.

And Seb .. fair play all around.  And it's true, the bonus discs could have simply been more full, as they can hold 80 minutes of music.  I'll give you that for sure.

Maybe (and that'd be more ecology-friendly) simply get a (double?) CD of 'bonuses' for all the five-album set instead of five underused discs.

Sir GH wrote:

Not sure about Hyde Park and Rio.  Never heard any overdubs in those shows.

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I neither, but Since they showed the "multi-track" case of Hyde park 1976 in the Stormtrooper exhib i`m pretty sure they have them in the archives (and i can hear a lot of reverb in the vocal first line of Boh rap and a different audience volume that the officialy released sweet lady, in the bit showed in TATOOL documentary)
Thank you for your time,bob! i would like too much if one of the kind archivists (with the permision of the band, of course) publish a serious list of the "multitracked" and propely recorded Queen gigs; but as i really don´t think it happens we only can speculate till the end of times...

Cheers!