I neither, but Since they showed the "multi-track" case of Hyde park 1976 in the Stormtrooper exhib i`m pretty sure they have them in the archives (and i can hear a lot of reverb in the vocal first line of Boh rap and a different audience volume that the officialy released sweet lady, in the bit showed in TATOOL documentary)
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Ah yes, you're right about that ! Very good observations.
Well, I think we have our list right there. There will always be new video and audio to be discovered (like that recent broadcast of a bit of Berlin '78), but in terms of multi-tracks, here's probably all they've got:
Rainbow March 74 Rainbow Nov 74 both nights Hammersmith 75 Hyde Park 76 Earls Court 77 both nights Europe 79 - at least a dozen shows Hammersmith 79 (who says they lost it, anyway?) Montreal 81 both nights Milton Keynes 82 Tokyo 82 (likely) Rio 85 both nights (likely) Wembley 86 both nights Budapest 86 Knebworth 86
If you compare that to say, Zeppelin and Pink Floyd ... that's a lot.
bluephoenix · Member since
it leads me to wonder what they plan on releasing the Freddie + MJ tracks on!
GT · Member since
I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows.
Dodger Taylor · Member since
Joe Public would only really be interested in the Greatest Hits compilations so I dont fully agree with the argument about an average man on the street would be interested in the B-sides particularly.I understand Island need to release the albums on their label but surely a massive company like Island would also realise that most sales would come from die hard Queen fans n if they added just a few previously unreleased tracks they would sell a bucket load more. If there hadnt been so much hype from QPL about all the wonderful things that was gonna happen to celebrate 40years of Queen and how wonderful the albums were gonna be with bonus EPs then maybe we wouldnt all be feeling so disappointed. Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing.
MERQRY · Member since
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ------------ In other words: CAPITALISM (ha ha it´s only a joke i just kidding) Anyway i prefer a dvd with a good live show (from 70`s) than 5 "spectaculars" bonnus tracks so i hope Brian go on with his idea about release Rainbow 74... and i`m not saying this as collector or a hard mad fan... this show shoked me when i don´t know much about queen (i listen queen almost all my life but before rainbow 74 i know only the two first greats hits wich i have in LP) so i belive the same thing could happen with an ocacional Queen fan, and this would be good even for the record company. but you cannot do nothing about it ha ha Only the producers (or even the band) could make something...
I`ve a little question for you Gary, don´t worry i will not requested you for either queen dvd release ha ha ... is about your book with Greg Brooks... was the last edition released?? where i can get it in Argentina ??
Cheers!
GT · Member since
I`ve a little question for you Gary, don´t worry i will not requested you for eitherqueen dvd release ha ha ... is about your book with Greg Brooks... was the last edition released?? where i can get it in Argentina ??Cheers!
Hi MERQRY The Live book hasn't been released yet, and will be early next year now. I still have live photos coming in to be included, even though all the text is finished.
GT · Member since
Dodger Taylor wrote: Joe Public would only really be interested in the Greatest Hits compilations so I dont fully agree with the argument about an average man on the street would be interested in the B-sides particularly.I understand Island need to release the albums on their label but surely a massive company like Island would also realise that most sales would come from die hard Queen fans n if they added just a few previously unreleased tracks they would sell a bucket load more. If there hadnt been so much hype from QPL about all the wonderful things that was gonna happen to celebrate 40years of Queen and how wonderful the albums were gonna be with bonus EPs then maybe we wouldnt all be feeling so disappointed. Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing. Do you really think this hasn't been a good year?
Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition, GH 1 and 2 CD re-issues (Inc. Japan editions), The first batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks (Inc. US and Japan editions), Three Deep Cuts compilation CDs, Stormtroopers and KYA RSD 7" singles, The Platinum Collection CD re-issue, The second batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, Japan Music Life 40 magazine, Japan Music life exhibition, Days Of Our Lives documentary, The third batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, 40 Years book, A multitude of promo CDs, posters and box sets for collectors. ? ? ?
Granted, a lot of this stuff might not appeal to all, but it's still been a busy year so far. And you can't say that their hasn't been any previously unreleased tracks on the re-issued CDs.
pittrek · Member since
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]GT wrote:[/QUOTENAME] Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing. Do you really think this hasn't been a good year?
Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition, GH 1 and 2 CD re-issues (Inc. Japan editions), The first batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks (Inc. US and Japan editions), Three Deep Cuts compilation CDs, Stormtroopers and KYA RSD 7" singles, The Platinum Collection CD re-issue, The second batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, Japan Music Life 40 magazine, Japan Music life exhibition, Days Of Our Lives documentary, The third batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, 40 Years book, A multitude of promo CDs, posters and box sets for collectors. ? ? ?
Granted, a lot of this stuff might not appeal to all, but it's still been a busy year so far. And you can't say that their hasn't been any previously unreleased tracks on the re-issued CDs. [/QUOTE]
I will probably be rude, but that's simply because I really feel so.
The exhibition - brilliant stuff GH1 and 2 CD re-issues - useless crap the remasters - useless crap, I bought them ONLY to get the bonus tracks, and they're NOT worth it Deep Cuts compilations - 2 interesting songs the new 7" singles - interesting, but nothing REALLY exciting The Platinum Collection - useless crap Japan Music Life 40 magazine - never heard about that, the same goes for the Japan exhibition Days Of Our Lives documentary - brilliant stuff, but not enough John-related footage 40 years book - let's see what it will look like promo CDs, posters and box sets ??? Huh ? What are you talking about ? Did I miss something ?
Sorry but you guys have done a lot of completely illogical decisions ? Why didn't we get a proper BBC sessions box set but only a completely random selection of songs from these sessions ? Why didn't you release EVERYTHING what Bob Harris' team filmed instead of using a small part of it in the documentary ? It WOULD sell GREAT ! What about releasing a box of incomplete concerts instead of putting random live songs on the CDs or online ?
Sorry if it sounds "aggressive" but I am absolutely disappointed (except the exhibition and the documentary)
tero! 48531 · Member since
GT wrote: It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you think Island felt when QP offered them the AKOM and Miracle cd bonus tracks from the 80's as "exclusive tracks" for these deluxe editions? I have a feeling the execs at Island aren't any happier than the people over at QZ or QOL after getting those sloppy seconds.
Queenman!! · Member since
Sir GH wrote: Most of these bonus tracks may suck for the hardcore fans.. but for any casual Queen fan, just about all of these tracks will offer something new. Do you think the man on the street who only knows I Want It All has tracked down all of The Miracle B-sides?
The average person doesn't care about unfinished songs - the word "B-side" will likely lead to a sale, because it's at least a finished song. There are a few tracks of interest for the hardcore fans, but the difference in sales would be minimal if they weren't included.
Since the 80s, Queen have been a singles band, not an album band. These re-releases are exposing a ton of people to music that's new to them. Queen want to remain relevant and see their old records sell well. They know exactly what they're doing. They have a very good business plan. They may not have done everything perfectly in the last 20 years, but they are bang on with their ideology when it comes to these re-releases.
This thread is full of people complaining, and you're all entitled. But you guys represent less than 1% of the people who will be happily purchasing the Queen remasters with plenty of tracks they've never heard before.
Just playing devil's advocate here .. ! ===================================
Sir GH... You made a very good point here of course. However don't forget that a pleased Queenfan will spread the word much more often and convince others to buy Queen related material than the '' man" on the street. Above all the real Queenfans always been loyal en helpfull to the queencommunity after Freddie died. Some of us visited the musical more than ten times, visited the Queen + Paul Rodgers Tour more than once etc etc. If you loose these boys and girls ... the word will be negative too. and eventually the rich Queenwell will dry up due too a lack of interest.
Queenman!! · Member since
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ==============
Does a queenfan or ' man' on the street care about the QP management choosing a new label?... NO! they just want to be pleased by special Queen music. But ... don't forget the queencommunity who have been loyal to Queen all these years before and after Freddie died.
Queenman!! · Member since
The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows
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Well there you have it!. The everyday person!! Okay... get it. But I think most of us would have been pleased with one unreleased song ( and you know which songs we are aiming at) on each bonus dics right.Including me. And does the word " NEW unrealesed songs" on a sticker at the front of an album doesn't sell more. I think it will
Holly2003 · Member since
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A nice corporate answer. "We're doing it because we want to make the most profit from the least investment and effort." Okay, we get it already.
Dodger Taylor · Member since
To GT I was answering the question of the thread "Final Batch bonus Ep" I agree the exhibition and documentary was excellent All I was sayin was the reissue albums were going to be an amazing set of releases but really havent come up to scratch in my opinion.You are obviously a massive Queen fan and I would imagine you like many of us have tried to buy anything the band has released.Do you yourself not feel just a little bit hacked off when you are given stuff you already have 99% of already? Also which box sets are you refurring to? Surely you dont mean the "boxes" for the reissue albums? Im sorry if I sound harsh but over the years since Freddies death there seems to have been mention of many different releases which never seem to materialise.But they seem happy enough to churn out the same stuff over n over again.Where is Greatest Flix 3 dvd and also whatever happened to Hammersmith 75 which I beleive Brian May himself said he was working on a couple of years ago.Maybe we will be lucky this Christmas but I no longer hold my breath Again I apologise GT its not a dig at you,just fed up lifelong Queen fan letting off some steam lol.
dysan · Member since
I'm actually stunned that 'Island haven't issued them before' is being used as an excuse - in that case, why totally fuck it up by adding incorrect live material, missing tracks that have previously been issued etc etc.
Anyone that has half an idea would have seen that it could have been done so much better than that, and I've supported the reissues so far but that response really takes the biscuit.
Are these missing 'b' side being held back for an anthology? That's pretty messy when the 'deluxe' issues are missing material. Fair enough there are not many demos etc - that's never been an issue for me, but cobbled together instrumentals and vocal mixes? Now I've heard the official line is that this is a money making excersice I actually feel myself not ever wanting to listen to the band again.
