Relationships between Queen memebers/

Holly2003 wrote:

This the one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-R6XHG5ic

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Ah yes, that's it !

I think that because they were creating together they must have been very very close as in being able to anticipate each other's thoughts and reactions.  So in this sense they would probably be closer to each other than a friend.  We tend to show our best sides to friends but they would have experienced it all together - the challenges, frustrations, anguish, thrills, success, stress, etc.

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[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] Holly2003 wrote:
This the one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-R6XHG5ic

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Ah yes, that's it !
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In this interview, Roger said that he and John would carry on with Queen with or without Brian.  Now the situation is that Roger and Brian carried on with Queen with or without John.

Is only my opinion after doing a lot of interviews to a lot of Queen's world (Justin Shirley-Smith, Mack, Mike Moran, Roger, etc...)

Brian and Freddie were no closer friends, only friends in the last couple of years. They respected each other, no more.
John and Freddie were the godfathers of Mac's children.
Roger and Freddie were the best friends in the band.
Roger and Brian had a love/hate relationship.
John went well with Roger,and he felt very close to Freddie because of Freddie's protection and helped him to did more songs. John and Brian never being friends

[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]

Is only my opinion after doing a lot of interviews to a lot of Queen's world (Justin Shirley-Smith, Mack, Mike Moran, Roger, etc...)

Brian and Freddie were no closer friends, only friends in the last couple of years. They respected each other, no more.
John and Freddie were the godfathers of Mac's children.
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Brian's and Freddie relationhip may have been more complex than that. For instance i was surprised to see May dressed as a witch in that famous Freddie's party in Munich (living on my own video).
And it wasn't what you would call a "maistream party".

Also remember reading how one visited the others home
as young lads, and get excited with the stereo effects of their favourites music.
My guess is that Freddie's sexuality kept Brian a little precocious. Also the love/hate thing might have been there as well.

As for John and Freddie beeing godfathers of Mac's children, does it say a lot? Perhaps yes, perhaps no.
Again Freddie's flamboyant persona may have kept John a little distant. Deacon didn't exactly needed that much to alianate himself. This one is evident from the beginings till nowdays.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

Holly2003 wrote:

This the one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-R6XHG5ic

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Ah yes, that's it ![/QUOTE]

I'd forgotten about this, but it goes some way to explaining how things were.

Also on seeing one of the Back To The Light shows Roger left saying it looked and sounded like a 3rd rate Queen show!

I think post 91/92 tension had a lot to do with BM, at the time, wanting nothing to do with the band.

I think it's well documented that through the early to mid 80's most of their time together was spent on a professional level and very little else

Interesting old topic. I believe the majority of these statements are spot on about the boys. Roger and Freddie were always close and like "best friend type relationship when Queen were working and never seemed to have any problems. Freddie and Brian were like brothers, very close when they were on good terms but could fight like dogs and be sick of one another at times. Brian and Roger were closer friends early on but as time passed it started to fade but obviously got closer after 1995 after MIH. As shown by Roger's 93 interview, he and John were working on MIH to start and Brian was having lots of problems and they did not see eye to eye for a short stint. Now they are closer than ever. As far as John goes, I think he would be considered friends/ acquatances, (sorry for the spelling) with Freddie and Roger but no or very little connection with John at all. Have you ever sen any clips with the two of them playing together in the same screen shot on stage? Very rare. The only thing I can think off was the little sol at the end of One Vision at Wembley. Musically these guys were all over the place, except for Brian. Brian is the hard rock heavy metal person who could spice it up with a blues song or a soft one. Freddie was the same early on but with alot more style and loud vocals and overdubbing. I believe he just lost interest in the 80's with all the partying and the gay clubs and Paul Prenter. Once Paul was away and the partying stopped for the Miracle and Innuendo, the music got better and back to that 70's vibe like with tracks Scandal, IWIA, WIAWI, and most of the Innuendo record. Roger changed to in the late 70's with New Wave style which he carried out even till today on his solo records and some Queen tracks. John was into Funk, Disco, Pop in the 80's which Fred liked and hurt their music, imo, although Roger put up some stinkers. as well. These are my random thoughts and all my opinion.

I also like this subject and think it is very timely as to where they are now. The video provides a strong hint that Roger would work with other artists. John obviously hated the '+' idea.
John may have perceived that Freddie would not approve of a '+' member as well.
Freddie and Brian seemingly struggled with their creative working relationship. Freddie was a perfectionist and task master on how tours and studio projects were presented. John may have felt this perfectionism slipping away if '+' members were added (at the time Robbie Williams). IOW, John may have struggled with 'what would Freddie do/think'?
I think Freddie and John were the closest considering Freddie and Mary walked John in to his wedding with Veronica, that lasting bond remained forever with John.
Don't think Freddie and Brian liked each other. Do think Freddie liked and felt comfortable with Roger, although with gentle creative differences abiding in their relationship.
Roger may have become frustrated with his time with John post Freddie in terms of ability to create new music and go in "new" directions. Brian may have agreed more closely with Roger at the 1997 point causing John to retire to his family.
I don't like the single '+' members either as collaborators or a contracted singer such as the current "+", but would love to see Queen do a Queen + Friends like Pavarotti and friends, especially as a charity event.

I don't think it's possible to confine their relationships into a paragraph. Could you write about your relationship with your long-standing friends or family in 2 minutes?

A recent quote from Keith Richards re: Mick Jagger is probably the best on the subject - "it's like a marriage that you can't get out of."

^ for better or for worse. When you're young and hungry, you have a common goal and it keeps you together. When the money rolls in, things get complicated. How many bands manage to stay together for a couple decades after they find success? Can we name even 5? U2 and Radiohead are the only ones I can think of. Or can Rush and Green Day count too ?

I digress. It must be a slow news day if we're actually convincing ourselves that we can describe the decades-long interpersonal relationships of people most of us have never met. Even most biographers can't touch this stuff with a ten foot pole.

WIZARD, it has nothing to do with a slow news day. This is good to see what people perceive from all the history with the group.

Fair play. Then enjoy the speculation.

What I'm saying is - most of what people think they know is little more than PR. The complexities of these relationships are simply not accessible to even their biographers, never mind people whose knowledge of the band is limited to documentaries and magazine articles.

The thing is that those 3 folks accompanied Freddie to the end of life. That changes everything. No other group can say that. Its an overwhelming subject that i believe the three of them struggle even today in some way.
This is why the subject seems/is poignat .
Becouse it reflects into relationships coming into full circle.
Thats a rare thing to witness especially in the public figures realm.

[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]

The thing is that those 3 folks accompanied Freddie to the end of life. That changes everything. No other group can say that. Its an overwhelming subject that i believe the three of them struggle even today in some way.
This is why the subject seems/is poignat .
Becouse it reflects into relationships coming into full circle.
Thats a rare thing to witness especially in the public figures realm.[/QUOTE]

i disagree somewhat with this ^^^
firstly, they didn't accompany Freddie to the end of his life...they visited from time to time, but they didnt accompany him - Mary & Jim were the two that it could be said actually accompanied him.
So in the context and perspective of accuracy, I'd say the whole bandmates closeness thing was no different than the former member of Deep Purple with Jon Lord's Death, Kiss with Eric Carr, Philip Chevron & the Pogues
and say Tony Iommi and co from Heaven & Hell with Ronnie Dio....and what about a couple of Bee-gees - surely closer than queen ever were?

As Bob said in the post immediately above yours - speculation can be interesting...but fact it ain't. the danger of a post like yours is that someone reads conjecture as fact.

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[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]

The thing is that those 3 folks accompanied Freddie to the end of life. That changes everything. No other group can say that. Its an overwhelming subject that i believe the three of them struggle even today in some way.
This is why the subject seems/is poignat .
Becouse it reflects into relationships coming into full circle.
Thats a rare thing to witness especially in the public figures realm.[/QUOTE]

i disagree somewhat with this ^^^
firstly, they didn't accompany Freddie to the end of his life...they visited from time to time, but they didnt accompany him - Mary & Jim were the two that it could be said actually accompanied him.
So in the context and perspective of accuracy, I'd say the whole bandmates closeness thing was no different than the former member of Deep Purple with Jon Lord's Death, Kiss with Eric Carr, Philip Chevron & the Pogues
and say Tony Iommi and co from Heaven & Hell with Ronnie Dio....and what about a couple of Bee-gees - surely closer than queen ever were?

As Bob said in the post immediately above yours - speculation can be interesting...but fact it ain't. the danger of a post like yours is that someone reads conjecture as fact.[/QUOTE]

....i see your pont. But i was more focusing on creative accompany.
Sometimes this hits as deep as physical one.Perhaps even harder becouse art has this transgressive factor almost no other communication form has.
To be honest i am not aware of all the examples you mention. But what i do know about AIDS in those times, is something i read on a book.
"Aids gives space/time for the death itself to live."
This may be applied to every terminal illness of course. However i have the feeling that AIDS somehow "digged" deeper and harder the concept of death to its victims and those around.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

what about a couple of Bee-gees - surely closer than queen ever were?

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^ bingo.