How many never-heard songs do you think we have in the Queen archive?

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[b]k-m wrote: [/b] Friends in Pain? Well, firstly that's a very cheesy title and secondly, it's the first time I hear it. But answering your question, God knows how many unheard songs they have in the vaults, but one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven. So, I wouldn't hold my breath and keep in mind that the talk of a new album began after they signed up with Universal. Before this, the notion of putting a new Freddie album together was pretty much non-existent. Anyway, good luck to them. I await the "Days of Our Lives" DVD which seems good, really good.[/QUOTE]

Actually in MIH there was just 3 unheard songs in '95...one of these moreover, completely "built" by David Richards...
Friends In Pain is a song mentioned in many sites like this
http://www.queenvault.com/akom.html

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[b]kevinhairsineevans wrote: [/b] Assasain not sure about this track but Victory ive heard the michael jackson version and maybe just maybe it woudl be good.[/QUOTE]

Victory is an unpublished song never heard by anyone...

The home demos would be interesting to hear, although I'd assume that they'd be in the respective members archive rather than the Queen one. It's telling that the demo recordings we heard on the last batch were solely Rogers songs - perhaps he agreed with the comments about the first batches issued and dug into the vault. That said, I can believe the 70's and early 80's demos are not of a sonic quality QP would deem suitable for release - hence we only got the early studio working versions, or from the period after Roger got a decent home set up. Of course then we're left deciding between, say, the demos that John made but didn't submit to the band (caught between the definition of home demo and actual 'Queen' songs) and those familiar tracks by the other 3 but before Queen got hold of them. They were lucky as I imagine for the most part their discarded 'Queen' songs just ended up on their solo stuff. So anyway, a nice load of home demos of songs we've heard would be enough for me. But I should guess that will wait until this 'new' album of studio off cuts is out.

AND I'm still waiting for the COMPLETE Live Killers and Live Magic to appear, along with all those other stray b-sides and edits we haven't had yet.

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[b]k-m wrote: [/b] Friends in Pain? Well, firstly that's a very cheesy title and secondly, it's the first time Ihear it. But answering your question, God knows how many unheard songs they have in the vaults, but one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven. So, I wouldn't hold my breath and keep in mind that the talk of a new album began after they signed up with Universal. Before this, the notion of putting a new Freddie album together was pretty much non-existent. Anyway, good luck to them. I await the "Days of Our Lives" DVD which seems good, really good. [/QUOTE]

Actually in MIH there was just 3 unheard songs in '95...one of these moreover, completely "built" by David Richards...
Friends In Pain is a song mentioned in many sites like this
http://www.queenvault.com/akom.html

Well, the fact that there were only 3 brand new songs on MIH should give you a hint, I think. What I wrote doe not contradict it either, if that's clear enough. And as for Friends in Pain, I'd rather avoid the guessing game, really. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't - ask Brian May, maybe he knows. I wouldn't trouble Roger though;)

It could be a long wait,me thinks !!

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[b]kevinhairsineevans wrote: [/b]Assasain not sure about this track butVictory ive heard the michael jackson version and maybe just maybe it woudl be good. [/QUOTE]

Victory is an unpublished song never heard by anyone... Victory is a soong by micheal jackson thats the version i have heard just You tube it lol.

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[b]kevinhairsineevans wrote: [/b]Assasain not sure about this track butVictory ive heard the michael jackson version and maybe just maybe it woudl be good. [/QUOTE]

Victory is an unpublished song never heard by anyone... Victory is a soong by micheal jackson thats the version i have heard just You tube it lol. [/QUOTE]

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Victory is a Queen track, presumably intended for 'Hot Space', but was not completed. It was then worked on by Freddie and Michael Jackson in 1983, but this in turn remains unreleased, although it was reportedly due to be released in 2002 but then cancelled. The track may then have been re-recorded by The Jacksons for their 1984 album of the same name, but if so that version hasn't been released either. Recently Brian announced that he was working with Roger on the unreleased Freddie and Michael Jackson tracks, which will presumably include this song...

You know what, I'll stop being an asshole, and I'll actually answer your question now.

The real answer is, we don't know. Before they were played, we had no idea about Grand Dame or Affairs. But my guess is that there's probably 50 tracks that we've never heard before that are in the vaults, if not way more.

Take The Beatles, for example. I collect all their stuff as much as I do with Queen. The only difference between unreleased stuff (a very important one if I might add) is that Beatles fans know how many takes for each song that was recorded, and they know each song that was recorded, both released and unreleased.

Queen fans don't. We'll never really know how much is in there unless they tell us. Yes, that was obvious, but hey, it's true.

Wasn´t mentioned a few years ago that a Queen version of "Let Me In" exists?

Neither has Queens studio work been bootlegged to any bigger extent.

Don't we know so much about The Beatles' recordings because someone independently tracked the material down and drew up an archive of everything they did? I know someone did the same for Elvis Presley and even published a book about it.

One of the differences here is that bands and artists are more savvy now about that sort of thing generally and QPL began archiving their unreleased stuff years ago. Access to it by any old person (such as someone wanting to write a book) is extremely limited, if non-existent. The band itself is protecting its own interests (future releases, etc), whereas The Beatles and Elvis did not have this kind of control in their heyday. Their recordings were just sitting in places like Abbey Road collecting dust. Stuff would leak (as it still does) when someone with the time found something of interest, made a copy and it ended up on the bootleg market.

I'm still of the impression, no offence, that the number of wholly finished songs which we have not heard is quite low, but the number of partially completed bits and pieces, demos and works in progress are probably much higher. I get the impression, based on what has been leaked over the years, what Freddie has said about how he works and what is evident in the demos and outtakes released (such as on the FM Solo Collection) that the band might start work on, say, 20 songs, get only part way through on 15 (mostly incomplete backing tracks or jams, with minimal lyrics, and the other 5 not getting much past the ideas stage, maybe with a rough demo), then fully finish 12 for an album, 1 of which may end up as a B-side and 1 may be sitting unheard somewhere, or revisited for another album. I may be wrong, but that's what I've gleaned about their process over the years and why I think the amount of finished or nearly finish material is limited. And to add to that, some album sessions may have even less than that, where everything was started and finished and released, such as with SHA, ANATO and ADATR, for example.

Just my opinion. Maybe there are 50 finished tracks in the vault and I'm talking out my ass. :-)

rhyeking wrote: Just my opinion. Maybe there are 50 finished tracks in the vault and I'm talking out my ass. :-)

Love you too rhyeking. But yeah, Mark Lewisohn published The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions and The Beatles Chronicle, which are both awesome. Yes, I'm a Beatles nerd. Paul McCartney performed "Come and Get It" live for the first time last night in Bologna, Italy.

And didn't Mr. Lewisohn make up 4 Beatles songs, like "Left Is Right And Right Is Wrong," because he actually found there were very few unknown gems in the vaults, which caused a flurry of bullsh*t claims by people saying, "Yeah, I totally heard that demo once!"? Or was that someone else who did that? I do recall it happened and people still insist those songs exist because they appear in his book.

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[b]k-m wrote: [/b]  one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven. [/QUOTE]

No. It hasn't got "Face it Alone" (which sounds like masterpiece, something like "White Queen 2"), "Falling Out" , "Let me in your heart", "Hijack my heart" and some more. These are way better than cheep "Born 2 love U" remix or smooth version of "Life has been saved"

I Guess We're Falling Out is awful.