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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b] I Guess We're Falling Out is awful.[/QUOTE]
I think "boring" is a better word.
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pittrek
Topic starter - check http://www.queenvault.com
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[b]rhyeking wrote: [/b]And didn't Mr. Lewisohn make up 4 Beatles songs, like "Left Is Right And Right Is Wrong," because he actually found there werevery few unknown gems in the vaults, which caused a flurry of bullsh*t claims by people saying, "Yeah, I totally heard that demo once!"? Or was that someone else who did that? I do recall it happened and people still insist those songs exist because they appear in his book.
No, the rumor started in the 70s.
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http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/circles.asp
Later on, an EMI employee was given access to listing all of the takes and tapes. Mark Lewisohn was then granted permission to go through all of these for his book(s)......something I wish Queen and QPL would have done. It would have made a great read, and source to dispell some of the misnotions or failing memories of various individuals.
I was given the 'Recording Sessions' book as a present back when it came out. It certainly made me curious of what certain demos sounded like, as well as the unreleased finished tracks. Made the 'Anthology' series even more enjoyable when they were released.
Once again, wish QPL would have followed that format. Maybe I'd have spent more than zero dollars on what was released this year.
[b]rhyeking wrote: [/b]And didn't Mr. Lewisohn make up 4 Beatles songs, like "Left Is Right And Right Is Wrong," because he actually found there werevery few unknown gems in the vaults, which caused a flurry of bullsh*t claims by people saying, "Yeah, I totally heard that demo once!"? Or was that someone else who did that? I do recall it happened and people still insist those songs exist because they appear in his book.
No, the rumor started in the 70s.
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http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/circles.asp
Later on, an EMI employee was given access to listing all of the takes and tapes. Mark Lewisohn was then granted permission to go through all of these for his book(s)......something I wish Queen and QPL would have done. It would have made a great read, and source to dispell some of the misnotions or failing memories of various individuals.
I was given the 'Recording Sessions' book as a present back when it came out. It certainly made me curious of what certain demos sounded like, as well as the unreleased finished tracks. Made the 'Anthology' series even more enjoyable when they were released.
Once again, wish QPL would have followed that format. Maybe I'd have spent more than zero dollars on what was released this year.
Micrówave
I think the answer to this question is rather simple.
Look at what BM & RT have been doing for the last 20 years. Living off any mention of Queen. American Idol. Paul Rodgers. Katy Perry. Anything they can do to stay relevant.
This includes SOLO albums. Any material "in the archives" that was theirs was re-worked into songs for the Solo Albums. To the point of exhaustion... there's nothing left.
John likes getting checks but that's about it. He's not going into the studio to re-work his songs.
They didn't start writing as "Queen" until late in their career.
So all that is left is Freddie's stuff... who released most of it with the big Box Set years ago.
Why would they re-work OLD songs for Maiden Heaven? Because there wasn't a whole lot left.
Look at what BM & RT have been doing for the last 20 years. Living off any mention of Queen. American Idol. Paul Rodgers. Katy Perry. Anything they can do to stay relevant.
This includes SOLO albums. Any material "in the archives" that was theirs was re-worked into songs for the Solo Albums. To the point of exhaustion... there's nothing left.
John likes getting checks but that's about it. He's not going into the studio to re-work his songs.
They didn't start writing as "Queen" until late in their career.
So all that is left is Freddie's stuff... who released most of it with the big Box Set years ago.
Why would they re-work OLD songs for Maiden Heaven? Because there wasn't a whole lot left.
rhyeking
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but is the problem people have with Brian and Roger that they're advertising Queen (via Idols, The Musical, Extravaganzas, Hits releases and re-issues) and reaping the financial rewards?
If they did none of these things, what might happen is that they become just a classic rock band only listened to by the original fans (fans who were around when the bulk of their initial output was released between 1973 and 1991) and fewer and fewer new fans as each of those twenty years goes by. Without the benefit of an intact classic line-up, their options are limited. Maybe it would be different if John had died and they carried on without him, but since it was the recognizable lead vocalist, the loss in the public consciousness is greater. Without Freddie, it's hard to sound like Queen for anyone who isn't a seasoned fan. In order to keep the public and potential new fans aware of their music, they have to draw on the old material, with all those things listed above (Idols, etc.) that don't exactly cater to the wants and desires of the fans who already have everything previously released.
What else should they do?
They've released two new albums since (Made In Heaven and The Cosmos Rocks). They've toured. They've put out a few singles and older concerts. If they stop and focus on the Anthologies, then they risk losing potential new fans in favour of preaching to the converted.
Even if Brian and Roger had stopped calling themselves Queen after 1995 when not releasing material worked on by the four classic members (and "No One But You"), the public identity of Queen would still face the same challenges.
If I might inject a bit of humor, I get the sense that many fans would prefer that "Queen" become the band equivalent of Yoda, his glory days behind him, sitting in a swamp as a wise old sage, and waiting for only those 'worthy' to find him.
If they did none of these things, what might happen is that they become just a classic rock band only listened to by the original fans (fans who were around when the bulk of their initial output was released between 1973 and 1991) and fewer and fewer new fans as each of those twenty years goes by. Without the benefit of an intact classic line-up, their options are limited. Maybe it would be different if John had died and they carried on without him, but since it was the recognizable lead vocalist, the loss in the public consciousness is greater. Without Freddie, it's hard to sound like Queen for anyone who isn't a seasoned fan. In order to keep the public and potential new fans aware of their music, they have to draw on the old material, with all those things listed above (Idols, etc.) that don't exactly cater to the wants and desires of the fans who already have everything previously released.
What else should they do?
They've released two new albums since (Made In Heaven and The Cosmos Rocks). They've toured. They've put out a few singles and older concerts. If they stop and focus on the Anthologies, then they risk losing potential new fans in favour of preaching to the converted.
Even if Brian and Roger had stopped calling themselves Queen after 1995 when not releasing material worked on by the four classic members (and "No One But You"), the public identity of Queen would still face the same challenges.
If I might inject a bit of humor, I get the sense that many fans would prefer that "Queen" become the band equivalent of Yoda, his glory days behind him, sitting in a swamp as a wise old sage, and waiting for only those 'worthy' to find him.
Micrówave
I certainly don't have a problem with them "milking it" the rest of the way.
But to infer that you're releasing the long lost Golden Treasures of Freddie and provide poop instead, then you begin to cross a line.
Kind of like Brian thinking it should be Queen + Gaga.... Really? Maybe in 1980, but today HE is not the pull. It all started when Brian put "with special guests Guns & Roses" on his BTTL T-Shirts. You are not the king, Brian. Read the latest rolling stone... you're in the 20s.
Write a good batch of tunes this time. If you want to include Freddie singing "Dog With A Bone Fanclub message" on the second verse and it fits, fine. Don't tell me it's the lost Mercury sessions. Don't give me some 20 minute plus loop of cheesy synthesizers to fill up an album and tell me its the ghost of Freddie. Don't re-re-release something that gives me an additional 3 minutes of stuff I've never heard and call it Remastered with Rare Bonus Tracks when it sounds like you just got a bad EQ.
But to infer that you're releasing the long lost Golden Treasures of Freddie and provide poop instead, then you begin to cross a line.
Kind of like Brian thinking it should be Queen + Gaga.... Really? Maybe in 1980, but today HE is not the pull. It all started when Brian put "with special guests Guns & Roses" on his BTTL T-Shirts. You are not the king, Brian. Read the latest rolling stone... you're in the 20s.
Write a good batch of tunes this time. If you want to include Freddie singing "Dog With A Bone Fanclub message" on the second verse and it fits, fine. Don't tell me it's the lost Mercury sessions. Don't give me some 20 minute plus loop of cheesy synthesizers to fill up an album and tell me its the ghost of Freddie. Don't re-re-release something that gives me an additional 3 minutes of stuff I've never heard and call it Remastered with Rare Bonus Tracks when it sounds like you just got a bad EQ.
john bodega
I agree with all of this, except:
"Don't give me some 20 minute plus loop of cheesy synthesizers to fill up an album and tell me its the ghost of Freddie."
Because that actually was his ghost and I have proof.
"Don't give me some 20 minute plus loop of cheesy synthesizers to fill up an album and tell me its the ghost of Freddie."
Because that actually was his ghost and I have proof.
rhyeking
Rolling Stone doesn't know nearly as much about music as it would like people to think it does. If anyone wants an example of the act of milking a brand name over producing meaningful material, look no further than that rag.
I'm still not clear on what, in everyone else's opinion, Brian and Roger should be doing. It's one thing to say what you think they shouldn't do, which at times seems to be pretty much everything. Allow me to hazard a list...
What not to do:
Call themselves "Queen," even though it's their band.
Collaborate with anyone else as "Queen + [X]," because we don't like that other artist.
Remaster the albums to anything that isn't the equivalent of the original LP.
Re-issue the albums with a few bonus tracks, because something extra now means we have to buy something old to get it.
Anything promotional for the classic material (new Hits collections, TV appearances, musicals, etc.), even if it means not gaining new fans.
Appear to be making anymore money via Queen.
Talk about what they might want to do in the future that doesn't involve releasing old concerts and the Anthologies.
...It's an entirely different thing to suggest alternatives. So far, the only two things on their To Do list, if they are to listen to fans, are the Anthologies and old concerts...both, conveniently, releases primarily aimed at the fans who have everything else.
I'm still not clear on what, in everyone else's opinion, Brian and Roger should be doing. It's one thing to say what you think they shouldn't do, which at times seems to be pretty much everything. Allow me to hazard a list...
What not to do:
Call themselves "Queen," even though it's their band.
Collaborate with anyone else as "Queen + [X]," because we don't like that other artist.
Remaster the albums to anything that isn't the equivalent of the original LP.
Re-issue the albums with a few bonus tracks, because something extra now means we have to buy something old to get it.
Anything promotional for the classic material (new Hits collections, TV appearances, musicals, etc.), even if it means not gaining new fans.
Appear to be making anymore money via Queen.
Talk about what they might want to do in the future that doesn't involve releasing old concerts and the Anthologies.
...It's an entirely different thing to suggest alternatives. So far, the only two things on their To Do list, if they are to listen to fans, are the Anthologies and old concerts...both, conveniently, releases primarily aimed at the fans who have everything else.
rocknrolllover
[b]no matter how many songs . we never shall hear them officially[/b]
brENsKi
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.....no...wait....that's an answer to a different question
.....no...wait....that's an answer to a different question
k-m
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[b]k-m wrote: [/b] one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven.
No. It hasn't got "Face it Alone" (which sounds like masterpiece, something like "White Queen 2"), "Falling Out" , "Let me in your heart", "Hijack my heart" and some more. These are way better than cheep "Born 2 love U" remix or smooth version of "Life has been saved"
The songs I meant here are the new ones that first saw the light of day on MIH, not the remixes. The remixes didn't shine, really, maybe apart from "Heaven for Everyone". And I wasn't comparing them to the demos or B-sides either, but to the "never-heard songs", as stated in the subject.
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[b]k-m wrote: [/b] one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven.
No. It hasn't got "Face it Alone" (which sounds like masterpiece, something like "White Queen 2"), "Falling Out" , "Let me in your heart", "Hijack my heart" and some more. These are way better than cheep "Born 2 love U" remix or smooth version of "Life has been saved"
The songs I meant here are the new ones that first saw the light of day on MIH, not the remixes. The remixes didn't shine, really, maybe apart from "Heaven for Everyone". And I wasn't comparing them to the demos or B-sides either, but to the "never-heard songs", as stated in the subject.
Russian Headlong
Brian was the special guest of Guns and Roses in 92 and 93 not the other way round. Did he really have Tshirts made with special guest GNR on, cheeky bastard..
rhyeking
I do believe he headlined a few of those dates, like New York and LA, but a concert expert may know better. The Brian May Band did appear, with Slash, on the Tonight Show.
But yes, it was primarily a GNR Tour.
My thought is that if GNR were cool with the T-shirts, why should we be bothered? He's still friends with Axl and Slash. Besides, if you went to the show, you know who the headliners were, so no one was going to be "fooled" by a t-shirt.
But yes, it was primarily a GNR Tour.
My thought is that if GNR were cool with the T-shirts, why should we be bothered? He's still friends with Axl and Slash. Besides, if you went to the show, you know who the headliners were, so no one was going to be "fooled" by a t-shirt.