Kim Jong Il Dies

I swear the right-wing faithful are the Treasure Moments of the political ideology world. FACT.

(Actually, TM can be more fun to argue with at times, which is the sad part)

... while the Leftist elite are busy watching Glee and hoping for that perfect world.

I don't know which is worse.  Probably Glee.

I don't even watch Glee

Micrówave wrote: >>You asked me for an example.  I gave you one that clearly backs up my argument and you reply with American insults?<< You are trying to argue that paying for health care is going to hurt the American taxpayer, and the best thing you could come up with was a tanning salon tax.  What percentage of Americans goes to tanning salons regularly?  Less than 10%?  Regardless, they can simply stop going and save the money.  It's not like the government is raising tax on food or some other essential need.  But hey, if tanning salon users will be partially footing the bill and health care costs are going to cover cancer treatment, then it's kind of poetic justice since they're exposing their bodies to high levels of ultraviolet radiation, which lead to cancer. >>The world laughs at America?  Until they need something... then we're the first they ask.<< When is the last time any nation went exclusively to America for anything substantial that no other nation could provide (besides weapons or materials to manufacture them)?  The pending European bailouts don't count, because they're asking Asia and South America for help too. >>That's why we're called the "leader of the free world".  No, I did not coin the phrase.<< And nobody outside of your country uses the phrase either.  It's just a complex that you folks have. >>If this bill were as perfect as you believe it to be, then all these states that are challenging the constitutionality of the bill would not have a problem.<< I never said the bill was perfect.  Obama's version was far from perfect (although it's a step in the right direction), and it's even worse now that the Republicans got their greedy hands on it.  But for anyone with a sense of empathy (usually something discovered by age 7), "Obamacare" has insured an additional 1.5 million young Americans.  Now they won't have to worry about choosing between seeing the doctor and paying rent. The only way all of the red states would have no problem with any bill involving money is if big pharma or some other corporation will make money off it.  Funding from the aforementioned groups are the ones who keep politicians (primarily Republicans) in power. The fact that anyone wants to justify leaving its own citizens to die by pandering to the constitution is precisely what's wrong with America.  And half of its population (many of whom are poor and could use some free health care) will go to such great lengths to justify this while concurrently having no issue at all with the billions spent daily on war.  Of all civilized countries, America is statistically the worst with regards to health care, debt, life expectancy, environmental regulations, consumption, waste, the list goes on.  The only people who don't seem to know these things nor notice the lack of international respect is Americans.

Where's YV when you need a well-informed 2nd opinion?

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[QUOTE]When is the last time any nation went exclusively to America for anything substantial that no other nation could provide (besides weapons or materials to manufacture them)?  The pending European bailouts don't count, because they're asking Asia and South America for help too.[/QUOTE]

South Korea... a few days ago.

As S.A. miller reports , the awful 10 percent tax on all UV-tanning bed services is back as part of President Obama’s new health care reform proposal and it has New York tanning salon operators burning mad.

In New Jersey, tanning salon owners were already feeling the pinch of the recession and a previously imposed state sales tax on their service. This new federal tax on tanning may be the final straw for the industry. “The other things knocked me down,” tanning salon owner Barbara Benkovich explained, “but when customers start feeling the price increase, it’s going to kill me.”

Originally, the tax was part of a deal between doctors and Congress when the Senate was still crafting Obamacare. It was a compromise. Instead of taxing cosmetic surgery, such as Botox, the senate bill would tax tanning salons . But let’s be clear, it was a political compromise and had nothing to do with anyone’s health.

And even if you support this notion of taxing stuff that is supposed to be bad for you – cigarettes, soda, tanning – the math doesn’t actually add up because the tanning salon industry says the government is overestimating how much revenue the tax will produce.

[QUOTE]America is statistically the worst with regards to:
Health care[/QUOTE]
Really?  I can look at those ads on TV about poor African countries.  If we’re so bad, how come they need $19 a month to feed 10 children?
WHAT LIST ARE YOU GOING OFF OF???
 [QUOTE]Debt[/QUOTE]
Well, you have this one correct, but we’re also the #7 by gross domestic product at purchasing power parity per capita.
Of course one of the top producing countries will have the most debt!!!  That’s Economy 101.
Kind of an unfair accusation.  Greece is by far the worst off in the world in debt to GDP comparison.
WHAT LIST ARE YOU GOING OFF OF???

 [QUOTE]life expectancy[/QUOTE]
US currently ranks #36.  Pakistan at 135, Russia at 136. Ethiopia at 168.    67.2 is the world average, US is 80.8
WHAT LIST ARE YOU GOING OFF OF???
[QUOTE]environmental regulations, consumption, waste[/QUOTE]
Ok, Al Gore.  Now are you getting this from his website or do you have facts?
Urban SO2 Concentration:  Argentina #1, US #21, Russia #47   (not all data was available for all countries)
Energy Consumption (Per Mil. $ GDP)  {biggest wasters of the world} :  Denmark #1, UK #10, US #28, Ukraine #71
Environmental Regulatory Regime Index: Finland #1, UK #13, US #14, Mexico #48, #71 Paraguay

[QUOTE]the list goes on.[/QUOTE]
AGAIN, WHAT LIST ARE YOU GOING OFF OF?
My source:  Harvard.  www.isc.hbs.edu

By the way, you have YET to reference ONE source for your information.

This would certainly beef up this debate we're having... and  a good one at that.

[QUOTE]inu-liger wrote: Where's YV when you need a well-informed 2nd opinion?[/QUOTE]

Probably reading the FACTS, researching maybe?  Not just jumping on the Leftist bus... as most left-wingers tend to do.  It's sad that you don't have the stones to do any kind of followup to support your opinions.  Most people form opinions because of life experiences, schooling, etc...   Not from "YV".

[QUOTE]The pending European bailouts don't count, because they're asking Asia and South America for help too. [/QUOTE]

No wonder the European Union is a joke.  They're asking Asia and South America for help.   That's like asking Africa for extra food.

Do you two suppose you two could take it over here @ http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1294596/the-great-american-debate-the-real-wizard-vs-micr-wave.aspx , you're really clogging this topic up with tangents upon tangents now!

Great answer.  Exactly what I suspected.  Let's quickly change the subject to cover up ignorance.

You're an idiot, Microwave