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[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
I've re-read this because I really am confused at how we got to I support the Death Penalty.  The only thing I wrote that comes close to that is:[QUOTE]Oh, poor Brandon.  He tried to kill himself and we didn't hear his calls for help.  If you asked me, they should have let him finish the job. [/QUOTE]I said HE tried to kill himself... not the state.Then I said THEY (yes the state) should have let HIM finish the job.THAT IS HOW YOU CLOWNS GOT THAT I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY???That's quite a reach.[/QUOTE]

Its not really a reach -- you said that he was deserving of death and that there should not have been intervention to save him. If you are anti-death penalty for everyone, you would probably believe that they should be allowed to live?

Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens.

http://www.bullyingcanada.ca/content/239900

[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens.
http://www.bullyingcanada.ca/content/239900[/QUOTE]


i'm pretty sure that wasn't aimed at me, but just to be clear, i am not trying to gang up on microwave (or anyone else for that matter), and i'm trying to be fair in my arguments. And i'm trying to argue against the information, not the individual. I hope ppl know i'm not trying to attack microwave as a person, just i disagree very very strongly with his argument -- and i'm not completely clear on what the argument is, just what i have understood him to be saying, i disagree with. But (and u can see how i talk to him and anyone else in other threads to back this up), i have nothing against him personally.

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[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens.
http://www.bullyingcanada.ca/content/239900[/QUOTE]
i'm pretty sure that wasn't aimed at me, but just to be clear, i am not trying to gang up on microwave (or anyone else for that matter), and i'm trying to be fair in my arguments. And i'm trying to argue against the information, not the individual. I hope ppl know i'm not trying to attack microwave as a person, just i disagree very very strongly with his argument -- and i'm not completely clear on what the argument is, just what i have understood him to be saying, i disagree with. But (and u can see how i talk to him and anyone else in other threads to back this up), i have nothing against him personally.[/QUOTE]

And in all fairness, he is well capable of 'giving as good as he gets,' as the saying goes.

I not only support death penalty, but also think that the victim's family should be allowed to pee on the executed criminal's corpse. And should anynone ask me how dare I think such a hedious thought, I'd just answer: "9-11".

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[b]catqueen wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
I've re-read this because I really am confused at how we got to I support the Death Penalty.  The only thing I wrote that comes close to that is: [QUOTE]Oh, poor Brandon.  He tried to kill himself and we didn't hear his calls for help.  If you asked me, they should have let him finish the job. [/QUOTE] I said HE tried to kill himself... not the state.Then I said THEY (yes the state) should have let HIM finish the job.THAT IS HOW YOU CLOWNS GOT THAT I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY???That's quite a reach.[/QUOTE]

Its not really a reach -- you said that he was deserving of death and that there should not have been intervention to save him. If you are anti-death penalty for everyone, you would probably believe that they should be allowed to live?[/QUOTE]
I consider myself mildly anti-death penalty, but I would not have minded if the State let him finish the job.  As a reminder, my objection to the death penalty was that too many innocents submit to coersed confessions and are later exonerated by DNA testing as well the tremendous wasted legal monetary costs for implementing the death penalty.  However, I have no moral objection to executing definite dirt bags.

Perhaps someone else is anti-death penalty, but has no sympathy for dirt bags.

Finally, I believe that some people (including perhaps the ex-AI leader) have their own biases and agendas and will tilt their argument by purposely and dishonestly omitting or downplaying points that do not support their own argument (particularly if rewarded with a golden parachute).

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[b]Yara wrote: [/b] I not only support death penalty, but also think that the victim's family should be allowed to pee on the executed criminal's corpse. And should anynone ask me how dare I think such a hedious thought, I'd just answer: "9-11".[/QUOTE]
Does it really matter (aside from irrational emotional considerations) if someone sprays nitrogen enriched water on a dead husk?

I think not.

MW, if you are going to attack me and to continue to lie about the death penalty, at least get my gender right. It will show that you do read at least some of my posts.

Oh, and it may shock you, but unlike you, I do sleep and I do have a life, so I can 'post like crazy' before doing something else.

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[b]catqueen wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens.
http://www.bullyingcanada.ca/content/239900[/QUOTE]

i'm pretty sure that wasn't aimed at me, but just to be clear, i am not trying to gang up on microwave (or anyone else for that matter), and i'm trying to be fair in my arguments. And i'm trying to argue against the information, not the individual. I hope ppl know i'm not trying to attack microwave as a person, just i disagree very very strongly with his argument -- and i'm not completely clear on what the argument is, just what i have understood him to be saying, i disagree with. But (and u can see how i talk to him and anyone else in other threads to back this up), i have nothing against him personally.[/QUOTE]
I was not refering to you with the the BullyingCanada link.

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Yara, are you being serious?

Panchgani-

"Does it really matter (aside from irrational emotional considerations) if someone sprays nitrogen enriched water on a dead husk?

I think not."

It should matter. It would certainly matter to the relatives; would you really not be horrified if someone did it to one of your relatives?

Ultimately, it may be due to irrational emotion, but society tends to frown upon disrespecting of the dead. Just as the Australian government was outraged at WWI graves being desecrated in Lybia, urinating upon corpses is incredibly disrespectful (to say the least) and IMO should not be tolerated within a civilised society.

@Amazon: I think Yara was being quite sarcastic

[QUOTE] [b]Amazon wrote:[/b]
Yara, are you being serious?
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No, if only for the simple reason that Yara is a civilized human being, the thing Micrówave detests most.

[QUOTE] [b]Amazon wrote:[/b]
Yara, are you being serious?

Yara is one of the loveliest people in the weird world of forums, and no, she is not serious lol

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Catqueen wrote: Its not really a reach -- you said that he was deserving of death and that there should not have been intervention to save him[/QUOTE]

Oh my God, really?

A convicted killer tries to kill himself, and a light hearted joke turns into that?  I said  (AND READ IT CAREFULLY) they should have let him finish the job.  You all took that as "he was deserving of death".  Don't you think if I meant that I would have said it that way????

What a reach.

So, you "interpreted" my post wrong.  That's on you, not me.?

Why did you just interpret it this way...
They should have let him finish the job = Kill people for no reason at all, just cause it's American and fun.

OH SHIT!!!   Now you'll probably say Microwave wants to "kill people for no reason at all, just cause it's American and fun"

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[b]Amazon wrote: [/b] MW, if you are going to attack me and to continue to lie about the death penalty, at least get my gender right. It will show that you do read at least some of my posts.

Oh, and it may shock you, but unlike you, I do sleep and I do have a life, so I can 'post like crazy' before doing something else.[/QUOTE]

Look, man... why should I get your gender right when you can't get my words right?   YOU brought up the Pro-Death Penalty stance.  I made a joke that some convicted killer tried to kill himself and failed. 

So if you object being called a "dude", maybe you can understand my point-of-view when you twist "they should have let him finish the job" into "he was deserving of death.  Killing is great."