Queen+ AL Moscow date change + ???

Who knows what the truth is here. This could even be Brian taking the fall for someone else's planning mishaps. In the world of gig booking, literally anything is possible.

Just get over it. So what they've changed a gig date. It's not llike they've done it a week before the show. Roger Waters changed five dates on his current tour, it happens.

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Just get over it. So what they've changed a gig date. It's not llike they've done it a week before the show. Roger Waters changed five dates on his current tour, it happens.
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Just Get Over it!!! you say, either you are just Trolling for a reaction, or Don't live in the real world, or maybe, you are a multi-millionaire who can afford just to change your Plane flights/Hotels & get a Visa, ect, at a drop of a hat, "so what if you have to fork out extra money, Just Get Over It"

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[b]A Word In Your Ear wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Just get over it. So what they've changed a gig date. It's not llike they've done it a week before the show. Roger Waters changed five dates on his current tour, it happens.
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Just Get Over it!!! you say, either you are just Trolling for a reaction, or Don't live in the real world, or maybe, you are a multi-millionaire who can afford just to change your Plane flights/Hotels & get a Visa, ect, at a drop of a hat, "so what if you have to fork out extra money, Just Get Over It"[/QUOTE]
That, and there's a big difference here: You (V.H.) are comparing ONE show (out of 3 total) against a whole massive tour itinerary! Most people affected by date changes usually can accommodate the new dates (or nearest venue), but in this case this might royally screw over a number of fans since as pointed out you need a visa to enter Russia, and visas are not necessarily easy to change at the drop of a hat!

What I meant was that they've given plenty of notice about the change. Yes it does screw peoples plans up, but there is plenty of time for them to change.

Queen are not the only band to have done this, and I'm sure they haven't done it without good reason.

It could be worse. They COULD be like so-called "Guns N Roses" whose lead singer has a nasty habit of starting the show anywhere from 1-3 hours late!

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
What I meant was that they've given plenty of notice about the change. Yes it does screw peoples plans up, but there is plenty of time for them to change.
Queen are not the only band to have done this, and I'm sure they haven't done it without good reason.
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Quite obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. It is not only me as a German fan who has to pay extra estimated 350 Euro to rebook flights, add hotel date, and re-apply for visa.

Russia is a huge country and many people already planned attending and booked (always very hard to get) train tickets. Now they have bought an expensive train ticket they cannot use. People who believed the concert is on a Saturday are now facing a problem because they must get days off work which is not always so easy or even affordable considering the extraordinary high ticket prices (standing area aka "vip" cost 600 euro).

You say they haven't done it without a good reason. Please explain the good reason because I do not see any. Brian said they rescheduled the gig because otherwise it had not been possible to play the Hammersmith concerts - which has no relevance at all for the Moscow gig which had already been annouced and tickets had already been sold. The only reason is the personal convenience of the band and that is more Axl Rose for me than a "good reason".

Brian did not bother to answer the emails of disappointed Moscow ticket holders - instead he answered to a stupid email concerning Russian policy towards gay people. Sorry, Mr. May but this does not help to make you look like you respect Russian fans - quite obviously you don't

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[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
What I meant was that they've given plenty of notice about the change. Yes it does screw peoples plans up, but there is plenty of time for them to change.
Queen are not the only band to have done this, and I'm sure they haven't done it without good reason.
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Quite obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. It is not only me as a German fan who has to pay extra estimated 350 Euro to rebook flights, add hotel date, and re-apply for visa.
Russia is a huge country and many people already planned attending and booked (always very hard to get) train tickets. Now they have bought an expensive train ticket they cannot use. People who believed the concert is on a Saturday are now facing a problem because they must get days off work which is not always so easy or even affordable considering the extraordinary high ticket prices (standing area aka "vip" cost 600 euro).
You say they haven't done it without a good reason. Please explain the good reason because I do not see any. Brian said they rescheduled the gig because otherwise it had not been possible to play the Hammersmith concerts - which has no relevance at all for the Moscow gig which had already been annouced and tickets had already been sold. The only reason is the personal convenience of the band and that is more Axl Rose for me than a "good reason".
Brian did not bother to answer the emails of disappointed Moscow ticket holders - instead he answered to a stupid email concerning Russian policy towards gay people. Sorry, Mr. May but this does not help to make you look like you respect Russian fans - quite obviously you don't[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, Barbara, QPL "Brian, Roger & Jim B" just don't seem to care that it has inconvinenced a lot of fans & not just money wise, like you said, people will have to juggle their working commitments too & with no explanation, just that it makes it easier for THEM!!! Very Bad :-(

Not diminish what's happening here, but...

When Led Zeppelin announced their 2007 reunion show, 20 million people put in requests for 20 thousand tickets. A month before the show, Page injured a finger, and the show had to be pushed back a couple weeks. I read some of the stories - they were heart-wrenching.

This one fellow said he could not suddenly change the week of vacation he had booked off work six months earlier. So he had to pawn off his tickets to the most anticipated rock concert in decades and suck up the costs of his flight and hotel.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - at least there are options in this case. They may cost a few bucks, but - they're options.

And don't be so quick to blame Brian for not responding. That's assuming he saw the emails after they passed through the Jen filter, and in a case like this, that's a long shot.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Not diminish what's happening here, but...
When Led Zeppelin announced their 2007 reunion show, 20 million people put in requests for 20 thousand tickets. A month before the show, Page injured a finger, and the show had to be pushed back a couple weeks. I read some of the stories - they were heart-wrenching.
This one fellow said he could not suddenly change the week of vacation he had booked off work six months earlier. So he had to pawn off his tickets to the most anticipated rock concert in decades and suck up the costs of his flight and hotel.
I guess what I'm trying to say is - at least there are options in this case. They may cost a few bucks, but - they're options.
And don't be so quick to blame Brian for not responding. That's assuming he saw the emails after they passed through the Jen filter, and in a case like this, that's a long shot.[/QUOTE]


I remember the Led Zep concert - I had applied for tickets myself. Brian May (or Roger Taylor) did not break a finger - they "reshuffeld" the date for no other reason than to make it more convenient for the Hammersmith gigs - please read the statements. I really do not see why the Led Zep cancellation - which cost people lots of money and holiday - makes it any better for the Moscow ticket holders who also paid lots for long flights, visa and took days off work. The "options" you mention are: pay a couple of hundred euros more or travel half the continent and do not see the concert, anyway. I think it is nice to do something for the Sonisphere ticket owners but it should not be at the expense of the Moscow audience. After all. there is no logical connection of the two events, at all.

As to Brian not answering: I do not complain that he did not answer me, I complain that he takes time to answer a stupid email about Russia and homosexuality but ignores the valid complaints of fans at the same time. He is not responsible for the Russian policy concerning gays but he is responsible for letting his fans down big time. My email was polite and did not attack anyone and Jen does not block my emails, she never has done that. I always find it offensive that she is publicly blamed for something she did not do.

To make a "short tour", in this case four dates in three cities, if the Elton John gig is going ahead, economically viable the dates need to be close together. Staging, PA, lighting, trucking, busses and crew have to be payed for. If their are huge gaps between shows the cost of the tour increases as all these still have to be payed for whether or not they're being used for the show or just parked up somewhere for a few days.

Yes it's an inconvenience, and an expensive one for some people, but the bigger picture is the shows will still happen.

If that were the case (which DOES make sense in some regards), Brian should have been up front about it and just bloody say so, instead of ignoring fan e-mails about Russia that don't have to do with the totally separate issue of government-sponsored homophobia

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
To make a "short tour", in this case four dates in three cities, if the Elton John gig is going ahead, economically viable the dates need to be close together. Staging, PA, lighting, trucking, busses and crew have to be payed for. If their are huge gaps between shows the cost of the tour increases as all these still have to be payed for whether or not they're being used for the show or just parked up somewhere for a few days.
Yes it's an inconvenience, and an expensive one for some people, but the bigger picture is the shows will still happen. [/QUOTE]

With the new schedule there's still 10 days between London and Moscow, and another three days isn't a real issue.

Yes, it's an incovenience, but 3-4 dates isn't going to make a huge profit for "Queen" anyway.

Vocal Harmony - I see your point about the costs of staging, crew etc... but to some of those who had planned for the Moscow show, booked flights, hotels, etc, the cost to them is just as proportionate as it would to to an organisation like Queen (who most likely have all sorts of insurance cover in place for such an eventuality) to stick to the original Moscow date.

From a personal point of view I have complaint as I couldn't go to Sonisphere, but will be going to Hammersmith, but as neither of those gigs are on dates that clash with Moscow there was no real reasons to change that other than financial - basically they'd rather 'we' lose money than them

I think we know why the date was changed now:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1308212/queen-add-another-european-concert-date-.aspx?anchor=1308214