THOUGHTS ON QUEEN AND ADAM LAMBERT

I just watched the Kiev show and it was just as bad (if not worse) than I ever imagined it could be. I would never, ever pay to see AL perform with Queen.

After hearing Brian and Roger sing, I can understand how they feel they need a vocalist. They are just too old now - their voices have changed. Why can't they just give Marc Martel a chance? His voice is at times, as sweet as Freddies was. And he doesn't kill any of the songs.

[QUOTE] [b]QueenLing wrote:[/b]
I just watched the Kiev show and it was just as bad (if not worse) than I ever imagined it could be. I would never, ever pay to see AL perform with Queen.
After hearing Brian and Roger sing, I can understand how they feel they need a vocalist. They are just too old now - their voices have changed. Why can't they just give Marc Martel a chance? His voice is at times, as sweet as Freddies was. And he doesn't kill any of the songs.
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Brian may and roger performed with Marterl on Garbage idol. Marc Martel doesnt even sound like freddie at all to me, but hes far better than GlamteeniebopperLambert

No, not on that show he didn't. But on some songs, he does sound a lot like Freddie. At least his voice isn't annoying like AL. God, his voice just grates on your nerves. Even when he speaks - his high pitched voice makes me wish I owned a gun :O

"The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him"

You make us sound like hipsters! There are many real reasons for not liking Q+AL. While I don't think it's necessary to shoot Lambert down completely (he does well in his own milieu) I just reckon his fans are being remarkably forgiving about his fuckups. I guess that's what fans or for, but being musically minded I don't like that way of thinking. Fans (or close friends) just turning up to a gig and applauding everything you do is fucking terrible. You can never gauge how things are going with your music. It's why the freaking Beatles quit gigging - what's the point when the response is always going to be the same?

So Lambert's fans, if you ask me, aren't doing him any favours by pretending he's perfect, or even a close fit - because he ain't. The shows haven't been without merit on his part (there are parts of Who Wants To Live Forever where he shows the sensitivity required for music of this stature) and it's great hearing Roger and Brian again. But I mean, come on... far from fucking perfect.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
While I'm sure many of the sentiments are genuine, it can't be forgotten how organized and determined Lambert's middle aged female fanbase is. They constantly bombard video views, polls, comment sections, etc. en masse and in coordinated and deliberate campaigns. Through multiple purchases of multiple copies of Tresspassing and massive gifting campaigns they got the album to number one. Of course that can't be sustained so it fell down the charts like a stone beginning week two and is currently at 137 I think in it's 7th week on the Billboard 200. Here's them trying to manipulate the UK Charts:
http://www.adamofficial.com/ca/node/2184694
And that is just one fan board. These efforts are echoed all over the internet at other boards and at a dedicated chart and sales manipulation site called adamlambertstorm.com. Fanaticism meets middle aged buying power as I've said. Nobody seems to stop and ask themselves if it's even ethical to take it to this degree. Anyway, all this to say that a coordinated Brian May email bomb can't be ruled out, along with the independent and spontaneous praise of the collaboration.[/QUOTE]


What's wrong with all that, when the Queen fans are equally happy to manipulate the charts by starting weird mp3 buying campaigns... The only difference is that Adam has more fans, and they are more dedicated than the Queen fans.

But using the soapbox as any indicator of support is just wrong... I can guarantee that this collaboration has also caused more negative feedback than ever before, but he just doesn't get to see it!

Tarabostes 7/10/2012
We , the Pretenders, a bunch of wise and very concerned fans of...???, must take action! What the heck, we can't bear this anymore! Mothers and grandmothers, fanatics I forgot to say, as , everybody knows , fanaticism strikes one particular age, organized and determined as guerrilla troops buy more albums of their idol than us , those who are gibbering here all day!
How on earth dared Brian May choose a front man all by himself , if we hate tenors/countertenors?
Let us choose him , let us make the playlist and if we're permitted let us play! Isn't here the Farm Animal or what?
I forgot to say, this is a petition.

Tarabostes 7/10/2012
Vice versa.

Have not watched the whole of all of the concerts yet but so far its ok, really liked Roger singing A Kind of Magic, he would be great on his own as lead vocalist

Double post.

[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What's wrong with all that, when the Queen fans are equally happy to manipulate the charts by starting weird mp3 buying campaigns... The only difference is that Adam has more fans, and they are more dedicated than the Queen fans.

But using the soapbox as any indicator of support is just wrong... I can guarantee that this collaboration has also caused more negative feedback than ever before, but he just doesn't get to see it![/QUOTE]

In two and a half years here I've seen one person try to organize a campaign to get BoRhap to number one, for Christmas I think. The response was pretty much "no, that's stupid". When people post polls and such to vote Freddie number one for this or that they are largely ignored. As far as I know Queen fans don't dedicate entire evenings to voting in polls, clicking on videos over and over and over just to fudge the numbers, leaving scores and scores of comments everywhere, and then come back to QZ to breathlessly report on their tour of duty. When 'The Unblinking Eye' was released people either downloaded it or they didn't. Encouraging fellow fellow fans to buy something or other and being enthusiastic about the success as a group is one thing, and what the Glamberts do is entirely another. Buying 20, 30, 50 copies of something or other, trying to manipulate the charts in another country, etc. - and doing so on a relentless, constant basis - is not behaviour that I consider typical of any music fan I've ever seen in decades of being a music nut myself.

[QUOTE] [b]Missreclusive wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]radiogugu wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tigrlily wrote:[/b]
And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages in response to their concerts before.
Shoot me![/QUOTE]
Lol, sure. The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him. Actually the majority dont want to see anyone try to front queen, as freddie cant be replaced.
Adam is a garbage, out of tune, oversinger, who has the worst vibrato iv ever heard[/QUOTE]
I wish Brian and Roger would hear what WE hear. Obviously they don't or if they do, they are after the bubble gum crowd. Or, their egos wouldn't allow them to admit it. Either way, it's a shame. [/QUOTE]

Missreclusive is right. Perhaps we should send Brian a link to this topic?

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
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In two and a half years here I've seen one person try to organize a campaign to get BoRhap to number one, for Christmas I think. The response was pretty much "no, that's stupid". When people post polls and such to vote Freddie number one for this or that they are largely ignored. As far as I know Queen fans don't dedicate entire evenings to voting in polls, clicking on videos over and over and over just to fudge the numbers, leaving scores and scores of comments everywhere, and then come back to QZ to breathlessly report on their tour of duty. When 'The Unblinking Eye' was released people either downloaded it or they didn't. Encouraging fellow fellow fans to buy something or other and being enthusiastic about the success as a group is one thing, and what the Glamberts do is entirely another. Buying 20, 30, 50 copies of something or other, trying to manipulate the charts in another country, etc. - and doing so on a relentless, constant basis - is not behaviour that I consider typical of any music fan I've ever seen in decades of being a music nut myself. [/QUOTE]


I guess I'm stupid. I really didn't think that they would pad the numbers, spending money, time, energy like that to boost AL. I guess it makes sense if enough of them are that maniacal (sp?) Anyway, I also didn't realize that his fanbase was made up of middle aged women! wtf? I'm wanting to toss on that thought. Am I naive? I have now gone to the latest YT's, granted I can only watch and listen to only so much but I'm not finding him any more talented or appealing or suited to Queens songs. I want to SCREAM ..what are B and R thinking?

[QUOTE] [b]tigrlily wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Missreclusive wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]radiogugu wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tigrlily wrote:[/b]
And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages [/QUOTE]
Missreclusive is right. Perhaps we should send Brian a link to this topic? [/QUOTE]


I would do it but would like to know that he gets it. Probably wont make a difference with ego involved but mayyybe in the middle of the night he would wake up and think about it. You never know, after all, he is human.

From the videos I've seen of AL's own concerts, his fans span all age groups. The most vocal ones who get involved with the campaigning and manipulating seem to be the middle-aged women though.

In an interview after the most recent Idol appearance, Brian made a comment that for everything Queen does, there are fans who will love it and fans who will hate it. So I think he's aware that there are Queen fans who dislike AL and seeing the commenatary here won't surprise him or change his mind about anything.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
"The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him"
You make us sound like hipsters! There are many real reasons for not liking Q+AL. While I don't think it's necessary to shoot Lambert down completely (he does well in his own milieu) I just reckon his fans are being remarkably forgiving about his fuckups. I guess that's what fans or for, but being musically minded I don't like that way of thinking. Fans (or close friends) just turning up to a gig and applauding everything you do is fucking terrible. You can never gauge how things are going with your music. It's why the freaking Beatles quit gigging - what's the point when the response is always going to be the same?
So Lambert's fans, if you ask me, aren't doing him any favours by pretending he's perfect, or even a close fit - because he ain't. The shows haven't been without merit on his part (there are parts of Who Wants To Live Forever where he shows the sensitivity required for music of this stature) and it's great hearing Roger and Brian again. But I mean, come on... far from fucking perfect. [/QUOTE]

Zebonka, what you fail to see is the majority aren't forgiving his fuckups because they don't view them as such. Plenty of them LOVE what Adam is doing with Queen. They love his voice. Just like we think you should love Adam's voice because we do, you seem to think we should dislike his Queen performances because you do. Does that make sense?