Petition against Q+AL?

[QUOTE] [b]Vela wrote:[/b]
What makes the criticism from some so-called Queen fans of Adam's use of vibrato is that if professional critics had any criticism to make of the performance, it was that he "too often tried to copy Mercury's vibrato" (which in itself is complete tripe as Adam's vibrato is a natural part of his voice when holding long notes or reaching high notes, as it is for any trained singer, and at no part in any of the two shows so far or the EMA performance has he used any voice, tone or nuance that wouldn't have been heard in any of his solo live performances).
Perhaps those who claim to be such great fans should actually listen closely to the great man himself, particularly on live footage. Freddie's vibrato could have often registered on the Richter scale.[/QUOTE]
So you're going to play that card? "People who disagree with me are not real Queen fans." That seems to be what you're saying, so I shall politely request that you go fuck yourself. You have no authority to decide who is a real Queen fan or not. I've heard Freddie live many times, and I've heard Adam live with Queen. Occasionally, Adam's vibrato is a little over the top and sounds kind of annoying to me because it doesn't really fit in. As far as I know, that's not happened with Freddie. It's really not that major of a detail, but still worth pointing out. We all have different ears and slightly different tastes, and just because something annoys me a little more than it annoys you does not mean I am not a real Queen fan, so don't question whether or not people are "real fans," okay?

[QUOTE] [b]Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Wiley wrote: [/b] He did well with some tracks, was way off in a few of them and -in my opinion- nailed "Who Wants to Live Forever".Petitions are stupid and never accomplish anything. The only petition I signed was one to get Q+PR to tour Mexico in 2008 and that didn't work out. Biggest market in Latin America and they missed it. Fuckers.[/QUOTE] They definitely should have played Mexico, as well as done more dates in Argentina, Brazil and Chile. BTW, in which sense do you rate Mexico as the biggest market in Latin America? Do you mean the biggest market for Queen matters? Are they that popular over there?Cheers,Ogre-[/QUOTE]

Hi Ogre, I meant overall as a market for music and concerts.

In the last years we've had many concerts by major rock bands and artists: Elton John, Police, Muse, Keane, Kiss (Ok, they were decent at some point), The Killers, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Radiohead, and we even got older bands/artists like Toto, The Doors (what's left of them), Meatloaf, Journey, etc. Paul McCartney gave like 3 shows in various cities in Mexico, including a free show in Mexico City's "Zocalo" (central square) for several hundred thousand people (Justin Bieber did the same, but that's another story ;)).
For crying out loud, Metallica is playing EIGHT shows in Mexico City alone in July-August this year! We had several Cirque du Solei productions playing in various cities in Mexico last year.

So, that's what I meant. Every frickin' artist/major show is coming to town. Q+PR didn't bother.

And don't tell me it's because people threw shoes at them in ONE of the 3 shows they gave 31 years ago. The other two shows went by without any inconvenience and were great shows. My dad saw them front row at Monterrey's Estadio Universitario and he said it was awesome.

I'm pretty sure their decision has nothing to do with the "shoes" event of the past. :)

You're right, more and more major artists do a large number of concerts in Latin America, so let's campaign for Queen (+-) to also realize that. :)

Cheers,

Ogre-

A petition on who a band works with is really overstepping the fans' place. If you don't like it, don't watch!

Welcome to Stepford.

For whatever it's worth, I don't think people like Holly or Grateful or anti-AL people aren't Queen fans, or real fans, or who haven't done their homework in their Queen fandom. I honestly could give two poops if someone dislikes his singing--AL has his own fans, he'll be fine without some people's approval--but when it's expressed in such a way it's plain to see that a good amount of one's disapproval has to do with "style," or the way he presents himself--of, in short, doing with him presenting himself as "gay gay gay"--that irks me to high heaven.  (Sidebar: I don't understand why someone who would love Queen and Freddie Mercury would at least not be able to calibrate that aspect of the disapproval/dislike of another artist.)  I mean, overuse of vibrato, theater-style delivery, forgetting words, singing off-key, this elusive term "oversinging"--I get all that. But the style, not-slightly encoded stuff leaves me shaking my head. I'm not saying to, like, stop saying all those opinions or cut it out, not that anyone would. And I'm learning not to just say, "why, how homophobic of you, X, for saying Y." I didn't used to throw that term around, oddly, until I got my full-time teaching gig and immersed myself in PC academia. Go figure.

But some people, I guess that person is me at least, will point out these observations. You gotta call a spade a spade.

[QUOTE] [b]Daniel Nester wrote:[/b]
I don't understand why someone who would love Queen and Freddie Mercury would at least not be able to calibrate that aspect of the disapproval/dislike of another artist.[/QUOTE]

Which would be the first clue for anybody not fully immersed in his own navel that he might have misperceived the argument.

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[b]Daniel Nester wrote: [/b] For whatever it's worth, I don't think people like Holly or Grateful or anti-AL people aren't Queen fans, or real fans, or who haven't done their homework in their Queen fandom. I honestly could give two poops if someone dislikes his singing--AL has his own fans, he'll be fine without some people's approval--but when it's expressed in such a way it's plain to see that a good amount of one's disapproval has to do with "style," or the way he presents himself--of, in short, doing with him presenting himself as "gay gay gay"--that irks me to high heaven. I don't understand why someone who would love Queen and Freddie Mercury would at least not be able to calibrate that aspect of the disapproval/dislike of another artist. I mean, overuse of vibrato, theater-style delivery, forgetting words, singing off-key, this elusive term "oversinging"--I get all that. But the style, not-slightly encoded stuff leaves me shaking my head. I'm not saying to, like, stop saying all those opinions or cut it out, not that anyone would. And I'm learning not to just say, "why, how homophobic of you, X, for saying Y." I didn't used to throw that term around, oddly, until I got my full-time teaching gig and immersed myself in PC academia. Go figure.

But some people, I guess that person is me at least, will point out these observations.[/QUOTE]

That's about as intellectually dishonest as anything I've ever read on Queenzone. Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Also, Nester, the "gay gay gay" argument you're abusing was mine. At least have the decency not to hang your self-aggrandizing interpretation on Holly by implication, as he has said nothing beyond what's on your own list of approved criticisms.

[b]ptr [/b]said:

"QAL simply do not work that naturally and there are many reasons for that... It was put together by "music business forces", not because of the musical chemistry - simply because this important factor is not there."

Brian has said that Adam's voice turned his legs to jelly, or something close to that, that he was so mesmerized by Adam's singing that he forgot to play, and today: "Adam is a joy to work with, and we are developing a stimulating communication."

Roger has also expressed his desire to work with Adam and his admiration for his voice.

Brian and Roger ARE Queen, or what's left of it, and they get to like whom they like and make the decisions!

PTR you and others may think there is no musical chemistry here but it would appear that Brian and Roger do have some sort of chemistry with Adam, were impressed with him from the beginning and wished to work with him. I don't think that "music business forces" had anything to do with it other than working out details. Now just what is there about this that you do not understand?  THEY like him and they are happy to work with him whether you or anyone else approves apparently. They will either sail or sink this boat, so you may as well get over it.

I'm just finding it interesting to follow along and see how it develops. Sometimes I cringe, but sometimes it sounds pretty darn good too.

Don't laugh, but I don't even see Lambert's aesthetic as a strictly gay thing. Freddie was gay. He just had a sense of style. If Lambert looks ridiculous or poxy, it might not have anything to do with the fact that he has sex with men - an activity, I remind everyone, that doesn't even concern anyone who isn't sleeping with him. *shrug*

Honestly, watching AL at the Kiev gig, I wasn't sitting there thinking "he looks gay". I was thinking "he looks ridiculous". I readily admit that I'm a fossil before my time, that I'm inflexible, and that I can't adjust to some of the stupid costume choices that people like him and Lady Gaga are making. It's probably all me. But I think the outfit looks silly.

Bearing in mind that I was watching the show for the music, and if you go through the live responses in the 34-page thread, a great majority of the posts are concerning song choices and the performance itself. That's certainly what I wanted to focus on.

I will add that I just wish Brian had kept some of his wardrobe from the Kerry Ellis shows. He looked like a badass.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
Don't laugh, but I don't even see Lambert's aesthetic as a strictly gay thing. Freddie was gay. He just had a sense of style.[/QUOTE]
Who's laughing. The idea that the "gay gay gay" comments were about anybody's "style" came from Nester's fevered head. The only comment I ever recall making about Lambert's aesthetic was in relation to the Kiev gig, and what I said was that he "looked the part", with "the part" being a rock star frontman. A bit of a ridiculous rock star for the reasons you outlined, but a rock star nonetheless.

He is quite good at some songs actually, but has a tendency to slip in some sexual references in the lyrics if you listen carefully.

stiffness in my bones he delights in.
find me an asshole to love - very end- he slipped in.
my hardon pay - again slipped in.

Brian and Roger are unaware of this i think
also he used the f word in we will --- lyric, changing it.
i think Brian and Roger must know that.

But the joke about Brian and Roger looking like bemused and confused pensioners walking down the very long catwalk after stumbling through some doors with plastic carrior bags at the awards ceromony came to mind.(A JOKE I PROTESTED AT THE THE TIME BUT ON REFLECTION I LAUGHED AT)
With these overt homosexual lyric changes by Adam and that idea of a very unaware Brian and Roger just thinking he's performing the songs like normal in mind,
It all made me laugh.

He did keep yourelf alive, very well.
A song i always knew was a simpler than usual vocal melody for Freddie, that with adams' exotic flurrying VOCALS style making it more interesting to my ears, THAN USUAL.

Seeing Queen now, makes me have a very warm protective feeling towards Brian and Roger, a fondness, like they are much loved aunts or something.
They are brilliant arent they?
ALWAYS THE BEST EVER.

"Don't laugh, but I don't even see Lambert's aesthetic as a strictly gay thing."

He is more high class drag queen starlet hollywood great femme fatal , than to be, just called GAY.

Talk about lip biting tragedy and theatricality!
He is so over the top it's hilarious.

He did well.
I mean what do you expect?
It is Queen!

Nobody can be Freddie in real life.
That is only feasably possible in the movies- Re KAPONE.

[QUOTE] [b]MEDUSA-RULES wrote:[/b]
He is quite good at some songs actually, but has a tendency to slip in some sexual references in the lyrics if you listen carefully.
stiffness in my bones he delights in.
find me an asshole to love - very end- he slipped in.
my hardon pay - again slipped in.
Brian and Roger are unaware of this i think
also he used the f word in we will --- lyric, changing it.
i think Brian and Roger must know that.[/QUOTE]

Can't you see him frowning when he sings "well I've loved a million women..."?