Adam Lambert is just terrible, period

Ok, pointless to you. However, not pointless. If you have an elder Uncle you feel affection for, then hug or touch...fine. How does that even relate to this? Then, to do it over and over in front of thousands of people that you are entertaining? Oh swla, I feel you are a nice person, I haven't a thing against you personally. You will never hear/feel/see what I do. I love QUEEN and this is no longer Queen. I see it all as tampering with the legacy sound and the way it was once presented, for which never needed improvement and in fact, it wont happen. It's sad to me. If Brian and Roger want to come up with new music with AL then go ahead. AL is not a good fit for the sound I have loved so much. I will say it again, I wanted to like AL. I didn't, don't, never will appreciate his music or the way he presents himself. Not entertaining to me.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tigrlily wrote:[/b]
Can somebody please send a link to this forum to Brian May's website? He seems to be under the delusion that Queen fans are thrilled with this collaboration![/QUOTE]
Broadly defined, fans probably are thrilled. The unhappy superfans and the diaspora who silently question the fit and the ideology probably are in the minority.[/QUOTE]
Yes, we appear to be in the minority. I think Bri has lost his mind. lol Welp, so much for that. Senility can happen to anyone! I'm not even sure Roger is as thrilled with AL as Brian. Is there any indication of this anywhere?

Well, Roger seemed to enjoy himself at the concerts!

I haven't seen a lot of interviews with Roger, but just going by the ones he's done for QE and Q+AL, it seems like he's not a big talker and plays his cards close to the vest.

In the interviews after QE's Idol appearance, Brian did most of the talking. In the interviews for Q+AL, Brian did most of the talking too. On that Russian talk show, it was Brian who gushed about Marc Martel ("gift from the gods") even though QE is Roger's project.

When he's interviewed by himself, Roger speaks up more (obviously) but I haven't seen any Q+AL interviews with Roger alone.

So I don't think you can read anything into Roger's lack of gushing about AL.

Freddie flirted and played with the audience. AL just pukes on them. No class. Especially his comment about 'fat asses'.

My thoughts resemble that comment.

[QUOTE] [b]Missreclusive wrote:[/b]
You will never hear/feel/see what I do. I love QUEEN and this is no longer Queen. I see it all as tampering with the legacy sound and the way it was once presented, for which never needed improvement and in fact, it wont happen. It's sad to me. If Brian and Roger want to come up with new music with AL then go ahead. AL is not a good fit for the sound I have loved so much. I will say it again, I wanted to like AL. I didn't, don't, never will appreciate his music or the way he presents himself. Not entertaining to me. [/QUOTE]

Perfectly put! Because this is definitely not Queen! Perhaps they should call themselves 'Smile + AL'?

[QUOTE] [b]QueenLing wrote:[/b]
Freddie flirted and played with the audience. AL just pukes on them. No class. Especially his comment about 'fat asses'.[/QUOTE]

Did AL keep using that "show me your fat asses" comment at all the concerts or was just in Kiev? If it's just Kiev, I would give him a pass for nerves and a momentary lapse of judgement because it was the first concert and he was in front of a larger audience than he's ever had. If that became his standard intro to FBG then I'd agree that he's clueless and classless.

He did it at Hammersmith on the first night at least, which is the one I watched the streaming of. It wasn't as painfully extended as Kiev, but there was a query or two about whether 'there were some fat asses here tonight' or something like that.

[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
Now as far as that chicken and egg post about which came first, screamers or talent shows, I say hogwash![/QUOTE]
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You can hogwash all day, but the fact still remains that Adam Lambert performed in Los Angeles for years without gaining much traction. The typical course to mainstream exposure for artists working in accessible and studio and radio rich markets like Los Angeles is not American Idol. We should be able to agree at least on that. Without American Idol he likely would have excelled in his theatre understudy role and gone on to build recognition and success in eventual lead roles in big productions, like Kerry Ellis. Also like Kerry Ellis, the foray into rock/pop can be a dicey one, with rock being the far trickier. Adam will have a pop career if he can find and/or create stronger music. Glamberts are blind to it, but the music itself is not that strong. Compare NCOE to the current number one, also by an Idol alum, 'Call Me Maybe'. That is a wonderful, smiley, poppy and infectious song that I even like. And as an aside, via the video it probably does more for gay acceptance in one spin than 3 years of Adam tounging his straight guitar player 10 times a concert (or whatever).

As Adam says, and I believe him, it is NOT easy to break info the pop market. Especially for a theatrical, openly gay artist. Yes, Adam and fans agree he owes his success to AI. I also agree with you, GF, about the songs. It is something we on the fan boards discuss ad nauseam. The problem is not just the songs, it is managements' choice of singles. Fever or Sleepwalker would have been massive hits off his last album and there some great songs on Trespassing, just. Of the ones they are choosing for singles. I don't get it. :(.

Adams strength is in live performance but until he can get massive radio play things will be dicey.

Tarabostes
Oh, how I wish I could reach this high level of intellectualism from the comments on senility or puking . But what do I know, I'm only an "umble servant" = character from Dickens D. Copperfield, all my previous literary references fell flat.
PS That girl , another Idol alum, cute face, provincial song and style. That's why I like AL, he did cross "the pond". Yes, his first 2 MVs failed but I'm sure the agreement between his label and C.Kelly and B.Mars (great names in American pop, aren't they ) was decisive . Their lousy songs must have been released as videos .

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
Now as far as that chicken and egg post about which came first, screamers or talent shows, I say hogwash![/QUOTE]
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You can hogwash all day, but the fact still remains that Adam Lambert performed in Los Angeles for years without gaining much traction. The typical course to mainstream exposure for artists working in accessible and studio and radio rich markets like Los Angeles is not American Idol. We should be able to agree at least on that. Without American Idol he likely would have excelled in his theatre understudy role and gone on to build recognition and success in eventual lead roles in big productions, like Kerry Ellis. Also like Kerry Ellis, the foray into rock/pop can be a dicey one, with rock being the far trickier. Adam will have a pop career if he can find and/or create stronger music. Glamberts are blind to it, but the music itself is not that strong. Compare NCOE to the current number one, also by an Idol alum, 'Call Me Maybe'. That is a wonderful, smiley, poppy and infectious song that I even like. And as an aside, via the video it probably does more for gay acceptance in one spin than 3 years of Adam tounging his straight guitar player 10 times a concert (or whatever). [/QUOTE]

In re the Call Me Maybe singer. I recently went to four radio concerts where multiple artists performed. Quite interesting for me.
Adam was great of course but not the best live performer of the bunch. Flo Rida,and Enrique Iglesias killed it!! But
CRJ was one of the WORST live. Boring as watching paint dry. And that song is a stunning example of an inane pop hit, no where near the musical sophistication of most of Adams songs. Music listeners of today are so "dumbed down."

In re Adam kissing his guitarist, he does this for the fans (he's even said it) because we LOVE it! That's an on-stage show. He champions gay rights by just walking the walk in the public eye.

One more observation about most of the anti Adam posters on this board. I don't know a lot about Queen but I know a lot more about them than most of you know about AL. Not only do a lot of you not LIKE him, you do not GET him.

I don't think you need to "get" a musician in order to decide if you like the music. "Getting" them can add to an appreciation but won't necessarily make you like them.

[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
And that song is a stunning example of an inane pop hit, no where near the musical sophistication of most of Adams songs. Music listeners of today are so "dumbed down."
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Saw an interview with a songwriter who likes creating complex, layered melodies in his songs. One day he saw a little girl singing one his more simple, stripped down songs and realized that all the sophistication means nothing if his songs can't connect with people in a memorable way. So now he tries to balance the two.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
He did it at Hammersmith on the first night at least, which is the one I watched the streaming of. It wasn't as painfully extended as Kiev, but there was a query or two about whether 'there were some fat asses here tonight' or something like that.[/QUOTE]

He should have stolen from Jeff Scott Soto who introduced FBG at the QE concerts with a variation of, "And our next song goes out to all of the ladies in the audience with large derrieres." Jeff at least makes it sound like a compliment! ;-)

By "getting" I mean knowing enough about the artist to not make false statements based on assumptions. Like saying Adam kisses his guitarist on stage to further gay rights when in fact he does it to put on a show. You don't have to LIKE his antics but I don't like to hear people putting him down based on misconceptions.