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And for the record, I KNOW Adam/his voice/his style etc are not for everyone. That's totally fine! I'm not trying to convince anyone to like him.. alone or with Queen. I'm just sayin I do. There are PLENTY of very talented, well loved singers in this world who I wouldn't go see if I were paid for it. lol To each their own.
I really feel for the hard core Queen fans who aren't happy about this collab.. or any collab.. it's got to be difficult. And Im not being sarcastic, I'm serious. I've got other bands I think I would feel the same way about if they tried to replace my favorite member. I think it doesn't bother me with Queen because the songs are SO iconic that they've taken on a life of their own beyond Freddie. That's a compliment to Freddie and all the members who made Queen what it was.

Distortion and things left out happen both ways - live and recorded. I think there is pretty much universal acknowledgement that virtually everybody had a good to wonderful experience at the shows, as largely expected. And that is great-- great for the fans attending and great for the band. But "look how much fun people had" is not an answer to "wow I think that sounds pretty bad". There's this ever present sense that somehow receiving this well - both the idea and the result - is somehow preferable, wiser and more enlightened than thinking it was largely a miss. People are *always* reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Like homophobia, naysaying, or (ahem) being so struck with chronic and incurable Fredism that objectivity is hopelessly crippled. Frankly, no. That's stupid. As is wondering why Queen fans might seek out video of the first full concerts the band have done in 4 years, not knowing if they'll find watching it a pleasurable or worthwhile experience or if they'll "pick it apart", before they see it. For the people that couldn't or didn't attend, the video document is all we have. To argue that the experience of people who attended should somehow take some kind of precedent, or somehow inform the cruel neutrality of the video camera, seems odd.

[QUOTE] [b]Missreclusive wrote:[/b]
Applaudes GF and Holly for being gracious. I agree with regard to Crystal B. and all that both of you have stated. I'm obviously not an intelligent writer, however, whether they intend to or not, the AL fans tend to grate on me as much as he does! All for the reasons you stated GF. [/QUOTE]

The idiot ones grate on me - but thankfully they haven't seemed to have made their way to Queenzone. I also think there's a sizeable chunk of that extreme fandom that could use a good linger on the psychologist's couch, followed by a prescription to go home and screw their husbands. But for the most part I find patience and affinity through the common bond of passion for somebody's music. Even though it's directed at someone and something that makes me want to hurl, probably to the point of mild irrationality.

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
A bit of a misleading argument really as most concerts sounds good when you're at them. Even The Pogues sounded good when I saw them and they're shite. I saw Queen + PR live and it was excellent but Return of the Champions demonstrated that Rodgers' voice isn't suitable for many Queen songs (and a poor setlist of hits didn't help). I've no doubt most at Queen + Lambert enjoyed themeselves.

Holly is a man?? Grateful Fan, while it is kind of you to stick up for "poor Holly," you are missing my point.

His/her statement "However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up" seems to indicate fans who were at the concert will be disappointed with a recording and that the reason they thought Lambert was so great was because of the excitement of being at the live gig. Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectular because he was spectular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording. And just because some of you don't think he is a good fit with Queen doesn't mean you are right.

I started to think he wasn't a good fit either based on prior gigs. I have since revised my opinion.

[getting popcorn]

NFG Message Board aka double post

[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
Holly is a man?? Grateful Fan, while it is kind of you to stick up for "poor Holly," you are missing my point.
His/her statement "However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up" seems to indicate fans who were at the concert will be disappointed with a recording and that the reason they thought Lambert was so great was because of the excitement of being at the live gig. Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectular because he was spectular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording. And just because some of you don't think he is a good fit with Queen doesn't mean you are right.
I started to think he wasn't a good fit either based on prior gigs. I have since revised my opinion.[/QUOTE]

It's little to do with kindness and more to do with the fact that everybody who invests in a discussion board knows it takes some time and commitment, and should know it's irritating to have to spend too much of that time defending things you didn't say and don't mean. That has happened to Holly frequently on this subject, and though yours is far from the worst example I think as a general sentiment we owe each other the care and respect to make sure we're not projecting all over the place and ending up with people in positions they didn't put themselves in. It's happened to me too, but I'm a bit lippy on the topic. Holly has been nothing but even and fair, something even a detailed review of his posts would show. So it seemed to me a subject worth bringing up, worth sticking up for. I'd do the same for you. Drunk enough, I might even do it for Fester up there with his popcorn. But only if he wasn't choking, because then I'd draw everybody's attention to the lovely sunset over the Great Lakes or something.

You said "Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectacular because he was spectacular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording." Won't 'admit'? The completely neutral recounting of his own experiences doesn't even come close to addressing this either way. And the term "disappointed" comes entirely from you. What he said was that gigs that he had loved sounded "different", and that they were still good, but [paraphrased] the exhilaration of the live event had gone and the more earth bound aspects of the performances became evident. This is such a common experience that I think it's you that has lost your objectivity if you think Adam Lambert and whatever band he is playing with is somehow eternally immune, or that Holly making that point is a diminishment of Queen + Lambert's success in entertaining these audiences in the live settings. Really baby. It's not him, it's you. ;)

And if your "doesn't mean [we're] right" sounded familiar, it's because I said that very thing to you a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't mean we're right. But there's a lot of experience and thoughtfulness there nonetheless.

PS Anybody who has ever fought an urge to tell me to get a life, now would be a perfect time. I have spent this entire post drinking red wine I don't really like and listening to Clay Aiken's Bridge Over Troubled Water on loop. lol @ me :P

[QUOTE] [b]chica63 wrote:[/b]
I'll tell you this; Adam's like nothing I've ever heard and I've been to over 400 concerts in my 49 years.[/QUOTE]


Really? No, I mean really???

I'd love to put a video together showing what's wrong with this collaboration, but that'd mean having to actually sit through one of the gigs again.

Tarabostes
What an interesting lad/lass, what an authentic angry young man you are, Grateful Fan! Whenever you post , I become vigilant, alert to your sayings. As a psychiatrist, you just recommended one to "...a sizeable chunk ...." Why not all the chunk, cheap ironies, imprecations seem to be common features. Are some differences within the chunk and I'm not capable of recognizing them? Wait, maybe "people are 'always reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Like
homophobia..." can give us a clue. So, is my objectivity "hopelessly crippled" if I suspect that a great part of the chunk suffers of it? Doesn't it sound a bit defensive? Am I right to say that I feel a kind of condescendence, you patronizing the "idiots"? I do feel it. Since you so subtly , I mean the collective you , invited me, I mean , the collective I , to leave you alone.
But why , why, Master, aren't you more patient with us, the rest of the animals, who will always be complying with your commands , Napoleon?
Oh, not to mention my great regret that our comrade, here, does not want to show what's wrong with this collaboration.

I was at Hammersmith Day 3 and it was absolutely fucking fantastic!!!

Adam was "electrifying" on stage, as one London reviewer said after attending one of the London nights and gave the night 5/5, adding that with Adam, Queen has it's spark back after 20 years. Those are quite powerful statements from that reviewer. And yet, there it is.

The crowd was constantly filming with cameras and phones so it became so annoying that they were blocking the view and you had to weave and bob yourself to see around the sea of devices in the air. I know people want to take mementos of what they see and intend to post videos and show others who could not make it .... But when you're at a live show and your bothering to watch it through at 4 inch screen non-stop then you are really missing the whole point of being there in the moment and taking it all in without the frame. Videos provided to you are someone else's framed information and so much more is going on beyond the frame. The reaction between artist and fan is not captured in a one way shot. You are not seeing the connection made nor felt real time.

So go if there is a next time. And for god's sake put down those stupid devices and just rock out!!

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[b]Tarabostes wrote: [/b] Tarabostes
What an interesting lad/lass, what an authentic angry young man you are, Grateful Fan! Whenever you post , I become vigilant, alert to your sayings. As a psychiatrist, you just recommended one to "...a sizeable chunk ...." Why not all the chunk, cheap ironies, imprecations seem to be common features. Are some differences within the chunk and I'm not capable of recognizing them? Wait, maybe "people are 'always reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Like
homophobia..." can give us a clue. So, is my objectivity "hopelessly crippled" if I suspect that a great part of the chunk suffers of it? Doesn't it sound a bit defensive? Am I right to say that I feel a kind of condescendence, you patronizing the "idiots"? I do feel it. Since you so subtly , I mean the collective you , invited me, I mean , the collective I , to leave you alone.
But why , why, Master, aren't you more patient with us, the rest of the animals, who will always be complying with your commands , Napoleon?
Oh, not to mention my great regret that our comrade, here, does not want to show what's wrong with this collaboration.[/QUOTE]

Once more please, this time in English.

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[b]someonewholikesadam wrote: [/b] [QUOTE][b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
A bit of a misleading argument really as most concerts sounds good when you're at them. Even The Pogues sounded good when I saw them and they're shite. I saw Queen + PR live and it was excellent but Return of the Champions demonstrated that Rodgers' voice isn't suitable for many Queen songs (and a poor setlist of hits didn't help). I've no doubt most at Queen + Lambert enjoyed themeselves.

Holly is a man?? Grateful Fan, while it is kind of you to stick up for "poor Holly," you are missing my point.

His/her statement "However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up" seems to indicate fans who were at the concert will be disappointed with a recording and that the reason they thought Lambert was so great was because of the excitement of being at the live gig. Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectular because he was spectular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording. And just because some of you don't think he is a good fit with Queen doesn't mean you are right.

I started to think he wasn't a good fit either based on prior gigs. I have since revised my opinion.[/QUOTE]

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I don't presume to know what "a lot of Queen fans thought", I'm just offering some observations about my experiences of live music. I don't understand your obsession with getting me to "admit" things. I've already said on a number of occasions what I think of Lambert and that others feel differently. Whether Lambert or Paul Rodgers were right or wrong "fits" for Queen is highly subjective and therefore open to debate, which is what's currently happening on this forum.

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[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE][/QUOTE]

worth sticking up for. I'd do the same for you. Drunk enough, I might even do it for Fester up there with his popcorn. But only if he wasn't choking, because then I'd draw everybody's attention to the lovely sunset over the Great Lakes or something.

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[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Tarabostes wrote: [/b] TarabostesWhat an interesting lad/lass, what an authentic angry young man you are, Grateful Fan! Whenever you post , I become vigilant, alert to your sayings. As a psychiatrist, you just recommended one to "...a sizeable chunk ...." Why not all the chunk, cheap ironies, imprecations seem to be common features. Are some differences within the chunk and I'm not capable of recognizing them? Wait, maybe "people are 'always reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Likehomophobia..." can give us a clue. So, is my objectivity "hopelessly crippled" if I suspect that a great part of the chunk suffers of it? Doesn't it sound a bit defensive? Am I right to say that I feel a kind of condescendence, you patronizing the "idiots"? I do feel it. Since you so subtly , I mean the collective you , invited me, I mean , the collective I , to leave you alone.But why , why, Master, aren't you more patient with us, the rest of the animals, who will always be complying with your commands , Napoleon?Oh, not to mention my great regret that our comrade, here, does not want to show what's wrong with this collaboration.[/QUOTE] Once more please, this time in English.[/QUOTE]



WTH?