inu-liger
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tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]The release originally planned ended up being used for a personal trade and therefore it didn't seem fair to then give it away for free here.[/QUOTE]
I don't like to sound too negative, but that's exactly the reason why you can't trust a trader who says that he was "going to share something anyway, but that nasty DF guy screwed everything".
A trader doesn't GIVE anything away until he's made sure he couldn't possibly benefit from it in the trading circles.
I'm sure what you're going to release is fine and dandy for those who are desperate for any scraps, but to you it's little more than excrement you can't wait to unload.
I don't like to sound too negative, but that's exactly the reason why you can't trust a trader who says that he was "going to share something anyway, but that nasty DF guy screwed everything".
A trader doesn't GIVE anything away until he's made sure he couldn't possibly benefit from it in the trading circles.
I'm sure what you're going to release is fine and dandy for those who are desperate for any scraps, but to you it's little more than excrement you can't wait to unload.
tcc
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[b]tero! 48531 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]The release originally planned ended up being used for a personal trade and therefore it didn't seem fair to then give it away for free here.[/QUOTE]
I don't like to sound too negative, but that's exactly the reason why you can't trust a trader who says that he was "going to share something anyway, but that nasty DF guy screwed everything".
A trader doesn't GIVE anything away until he's made sure he couldn't possibly benefit from it in the trading circles.
I'm sure what you're going to release is fine and dandy for those who are desperate for any scraps, but to you it's little more than excrement you can't wait to unload.[/QUOTE]
If he did not say it, no one (except his group) would know what will be shared was the originally planned one or another one.
[b]tero! 48531 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]The release originally planned ended up being used for a personal trade and therefore it didn't seem fair to then give it away for free here.[/QUOTE]
I don't like to sound too negative, but that's exactly the reason why you can't trust a trader who says that he was "going to share something anyway, but that nasty DF guy screwed everything".
A trader doesn't GIVE anything away until he's made sure he couldn't possibly benefit from it in the trading circles.
I'm sure what you're going to release is fine and dandy for those who are desperate for any scraps, but to you it's little more than excrement you can't wait to unload.[/QUOTE]
If he did not say it, no one (except his group) would know what will be shared was the originally planned one or another one.
brians wig
Commenting on the above posting from tcc, well, I'm just being open and honest...
The original release was going to be a compilation of RT & Cross promo videos in what I think is the best quality available (although if anyone DID have better quality and was willing to share then the DVD would be upgraded), but the person I traded with actually requested those: That's why it didn't seem fair to then upload them.
They will come in time though as will the same compilation for BM promos and BM live TV appearances (although this one WILL come with a request for better quality recordings if anyone has them!)
The original release was going to be a compilation of RT & Cross promo videos in what I think is the best quality available (although if anyone DID have better quality and was willing to share then the DVD would be upgraded), but the person I traded with actually requested those: That's why it didn't seem fair to then upload them.
They will come in time though as will the same compilation for BM promos and BM live TV appearances (although this one WILL come with a request for better quality recordings if anyone has them!)
tero! 48531
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely. You didn't expect the RT material to have any value anymore, and were pleasantly surprised.
I guess your trading partner is now thrilled to hear that you were going to share the material freely, and had to give you something in exchange... Not that I feel any sympathy for him either, but perhaps that's something that shouldn't have been posted publicly.
I guess your trading partner is now thrilled to hear that you were going to share the material freely, and had to give you something in exchange... Not that I feel any sympathy for him either, but perhaps that's something that shouldn't have been posted publicly.
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Are these the same quality as the Roger Taylor / Cross videos I shared recently?
Are they in fact from the same DVDs?
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1312485/new-dark-ages-hollymund-german-tv.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1311500/cowboys-indians-roxy-1987.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1312473/new-dark-ages-gottschalk-german-tv.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1312543/top-of-the-world-ibiza-festival.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1311420/announce-future-management-totp-no-logos.aspx
I didn't share any official promos as I thought that would be against the rules??
Are they in fact from the same DVDs?
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1312485/new-dark-ages-hollymund-german-tv.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1311500/cowboys-indians-roxy-1987.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1312473/new-dark-ages-gottschalk-german-tv.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1312543/top-of-the-world-ibiza-festival.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1311420/announce-future-management-totp-no-logos.aspx
I didn't share any official promos as I thought that would be against the rules??
brians wig
No they're not and besides, what you have listed above are 'LIVE' TV appearances rather than promos.
Also, the promos have never been officially released to buy and so there is no problem in sharing them.
Also, the promos have never been officially released to buy and so there is no problem in sharing them.
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[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
Also, the promos have never been officially released to buy and so there is no problem in sharing them.[/QUOTE]
I always thought the audio on the promos was still regarded as official.
If this is not the case I can upload some promos to compare.
I'm also thinking perhaps the Strange Frontier promo cannot be shared as it was released on laserdisc and VHS.
Also, the promos have never been officially released to buy and so there is no problem in sharing them.[/QUOTE]
I always thought the audio on the promos was still regarded as official.
If this is not the case I can upload some promos to compare.
I'm also thinking perhaps the Strange Frontier promo cannot be shared as it was released on laserdisc and VHS.
inu-liger
First Fanthology-related release here, folks
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1319706/announce-brian-may-kerry-ellis-uk-tv-appearances-2008-2010.aspx
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1319706/announce-brian-may-kerry-ellis-uk-tv-appearances-2008-2010.aspx
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty short-sighted way of looking at it.
Without collectors, how much of your unreleased music do you think you'd have? How many Queen videos from the 70s would be on youtube?
Have you ever lifted a finger to help track new things down? I highly doubt it. The only people who seem to be unhappy about this way of acquiring new material are the gimme gimme crowd who haven't bothered to get off their soapbox to find something themselves.
We'll keep giving and you can keep taking. I'm fine with that. Just stop complaining and say thanks before you point and click on that free download.
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty short-sighted way of looking at it.
Without collectors, how much of your unreleased music do you think you'd have? How many Queen videos from the 70s would be on youtube?
Have you ever lifted a finger to help track new things down? I highly doubt it. The only people who seem to be unhappy about this way of acquiring new material are the gimme gimme crowd who haven't bothered to get off their soapbox to find something themselves.
We'll keep giving and you can keep taking. I'm fine with that. Just stop complaining and say thanks before you point and click on that free download.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
Would you prefer that everything was hoarded forever?
You are mixing up two things here - the method and the mentality. You are characterizing a large group of music collectors in a negative light because your sense of entitlement isn't being fed on command.
Ever thought of the possibility that collectors may actually enjoy sharing things, and that hanging onto a few rarities is a choice made for everyone's eventual benefit?
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
Would you prefer that everything was hoarded forever?
You are mixing up two things here - the method and the mentality. You are characterizing a large group of music collectors in a negative light because your sense of entitlement isn't being fed on command.
Ever thought of the possibility that collectors may actually enjoy sharing things, and that hanging onto a few rarities is a choice made for everyone's eventual benefit?
soxtalon
Excellent point! We're getting these things for FREE - All we have to do is point and click.
Some of the stuff that has been released people have spent money on or time on tracking them down.
If you don't want what's offered that's fine, but there's NO reason to disparage the process or attack someone for choosing to NOT release something for free what they spent time and/or money on...especially since it may have value in trade for something else equally as valuable.
Some of the stuff that has been released people have spent money on or time on tracking them down.
If you don't want what's offered that's fine, but there's NO reason to disparage the process or attack someone for choosing to NOT release something for free what they spent time and/or money on...especially since it may have value in trade for something else equally as valuable.
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty short-sighted way of looking at it.
Without collectors, how much of your unreleased music do you think you'd have? How many Queen videos from the 70s would be on youtube?
Have you ever lifted a finger to help track new things down? I highly doubt it. The only people who seem to be unhappy about this way of acquiring new material are the gimme gimme crowd who haven't bothered to get off their soapbox to find something themselves.
We'll keep giving and you can keep taking. I'm fine with that. Just stop complaining and say thanks before you point and click on that free download.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in the "Gimme Gimme Crowd". I've pretty much lost all interest in listening to any Queen material thanks to the QP release policy, and it's been about 7 years since the last time I downloaded any Queen material (the QPR concert I went to).
Maybe you'd like to think of yourself as the Robin Hood -type who takes from the rich and gives to the poor, but it's not the reality.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
Would you prefer that everything was hoarded forever?
You are mixing up two things here - the method and the mentality. You are characterizing a large group of music collectors in a negative light because your sense of entitlement isn't being fed on command.
Ever thought of the possibility that collectors may actually enjoy sharing things, and that hanging onto a few rarities is a choice made for everyone's eventual benefit?[/QUOTE]
I'm not mixing it up, you're the one trying to give it a falsely positive spin.
In this very topic Brian's Wig has voluntarily informed us that (s)he was going to give something freely, but scrapped that plan when (s)he got a trade out of the same material.
That's the way how traders work, and you can't blame them for that.
But on that same note, you can hardly make them out to be philanthropists, can you? The "eventual benefits" for the general public only appear when there is no foreseeable benefit for trader.
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty short-sighted way of looking at it.
Without collectors, how much of your unreleased music do you think you'd have? How many Queen videos from the 70s would be on youtube?
Have you ever lifted a finger to help track new things down? I highly doubt it. The only people who seem to be unhappy about this way of acquiring new material are the gimme gimme crowd who haven't bothered to get off their soapbox to find something themselves.
We'll keep giving and you can keep taking. I'm fine with that. Just stop complaining and say thanks before you point and click on that free download.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in the "Gimme Gimme Crowd". I've pretty much lost all interest in listening to any Queen material thanks to the QP release policy, and it's been about 7 years since the last time I downloaded any Queen material (the QPR concert I went to).
Maybe you'd like to think of yourself as the Robin Hood -type who takes from the rich and gives to the poor, but it's not the reality.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.[/QUOTE]
Would you prefer that everything was hoarded forever?
You are mixing up two things here - the method and the mentality. You are characterizing a large group of music collectors in a negative light because your sense of entitlement isn't being fed on command.
Ever thought of the possibility that collectors may actually enjoy sharing things, and that hanging onto a few rarities is a choice made for everyone's eventual benefit?[/QUOTE]
I'm not mixing it up, you're the one trying to give it a falsely positive spin.
In this very topic Brian's Wig has voluntarily informed us that (s)he was going to give something freely, but scrapped that plan when (s)he got a trade out of the same material.
That's the way how traders work, and you can't blame them for that.
But on that same note, you can hardly make them out to be philanthropists, can you? The "eventual benefits" for the general public only appear when there is no foreseeable benefit for trader.
soxtalon
Or you could choose to look it at as they use what they have to the utmost to gain as much material that they can TO eventually release to the public. The potential is there that a trader would like to release everything to the public but knows that if he did he would not have any opportunity to gain any more material that he feels the general public may have.
Does the trader benefit? Absolutely. Is it possible he is thinking of both himself/herself AND the general public? Absolutely. This is how the most material surfaces. The only shitty think is that it takes time.
Does the trader benefit? Absolutely. Is it possible he is thinking of both himself/herself AND the general public? Absolutely. This is how the most material surfaces. The only shitty think is that it takes time.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in the "Gimme Gimme Crowd". I've pretty much lost all interest in listening to any Queen material thanks to the QP release policy, and it's been about 7 years since the last time I downloaded any Queen material (the QPR concert I went to).[/QUOTE]
So then why have you made it your life's work today to vilify collectors if you have no idea what they've been up to for the larger part of the last decade?
[QUOTE]I'm not mixing it up, you're the one trying to give it a falsely positive spin.
[/QUOTE]
My mistake. I've only been in the thick of it for the last 15 years, so I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about
[QUOTE]But on that same note, you can hardly make them out to be philanthropists, can you? The "eventual benefits" for the general public only appear when there is no foreseeable benefit for trader.[/QUOTE]
... which leads us back to the same question. Would you prefer this or having everything hoarded forever?
This forum has been awash with new material for the past decade, so to me it looks like things are going pretty well.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in the "Gimme Gimme Crowd". I've pretty much lost all interest in listening to any Queen material thanks to the QP release policy, and it's been about 7 years since the last time I downloaded any Queen material (the QPR concert I went to).[/QUOTE]
So then why have you made it your life's work today to vilify collectors if you have no idea what they've been up to for the larger part of the last decade?
[QUOTE]I'm not mixing it up, you're the one trying to give it a falsely positive spin.
[/QUOTE]
My mistake. I've only been in the thick of it for the last 15 years, so I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about
[QUOTE]But on that same note, you can hardly make them out to be philanthropists, can you? The "eventual benefits" for the general public only appear when there is no foreseeable benefit for trader.[/QUOTE]
... which leads us back to the same question. Would you prefer this or having everything hoarded forever?
This forum has been awash with new material for the past decade, so to me it looks like things are going pretty well.