[QUOTE][b]tero! 48531[/b]'s posts[/QUOTE]
like Sir Zappa (ha!)said...very short sighted and lacking in perspective. You give a lotta people bad name.
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inu-liger
@ Tero: Brian's Wig is a he
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]... which leads us back to the same question. Would you prefer this or having everything hoarded forever?[/QUOTE]
I don't really care. It's not my problem.
I'm also not here to "villify" anyone.
I'm just pointing out the obvious logic behind the actions of brians wig (and every other trader), which you want to deny and instead portray the traders in better light than they deserve.
The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...)
That's what traders do, they don't do charity.
If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour?
I don't really care. It's not my problem.
I'm also not here to "villify" anyone.
I'm just pointing out the obvious logic behind the actions of brians wig (and every other trader), which you want to deny and instead portray the traders in better light than they deserve.
The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...)
That's what traders do, they don't do charity.
If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour?
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
@ Tero: Brian's Wig is a he[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I'll remember that in the future. ;)
@ Tero: Brian's Wig is a he[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I'll remember that in the future. ;)
tcc
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote: [/b]
The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...)
That's what traders do, they don't do charity.If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour? [/QUOTE]
The nature of a collector is such that when something collectible crops up, he would not miss the opportunity. Why would any collector say he would not want anything in exchange if the person offers something good for his videos ?
The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...)
That's what traders do, they don't do charity.If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour? [/QUOTE]
The nature of a collector is such that when something collectible crops up, he would not miss the opportunity. Why would any collector say he would not want anything in exchange if the person offers something good for his videos ?
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]tcc wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote: [/b]
The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...)
That's what traders do, they don't do charity.If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour? [/QUOTE]
The nature of a collector is such that when something collectible crops up, he would not miss the opportunity. Why would any collector say he would not want anything in exchange if the person offers something good for his videos ?[/QUOTE]
That's exactly my point!
The collectors (or traders as I call them) are NOT the kind, generous, Robon Hood -type of people who give everything away in exchange for nothing.
They will persoonally benefit from the material in their possession for as long as posssible.
Some people think saying that out loud is "villifying" the traders, but I like to call it brutal honesty...
It's also the reason why the posters of QZ shouldn't expect any miraculous releases from the Fanthology, because the material that DOES end up here is un-tradeable, and as such "little more than excrement" for the trading circles.
Sorry for "villifying" you again. :P
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote: [/b]
The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...)
That's what traders do, they don't do charity.If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour? [/QUOTE]
The nature of a collector is such that when something collectible crops up, he would not miss the opportunity. Why would any collector say he would not want anything in exchange if the person offers something good for his videos ?[/QUOTE]
That's exactly my point!
The collectors (or traders as I call them) are NOT the kind, generous, Robon Hood -type of people who give everything away in exchange for nothing.
They will persoonally benefit from the material in their possession for as long as posssible.
Some people think saying that out loud is "villifying" the traders, but I like to call it brutal honesty...
It's also the reason why the posters of QZ shouldn't expect any miraculous releases from the Fanthology, because the material that DOES end up here is un-tradeable, and as such "little more than excrement" for the trading circles.
Sorry for "villifying" you again. :P
The Real Wizard
Congratulations - you partially understand how music collecting works.
Instead of complaining, can you offer an alternative that would work better for everyone?
Instead of complaining, can you offer an alternative that would work better for everyone?
Micrówave
You really are full of yourself, aren't you?
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Congratulations - you partially understand how music collecting works.
Instead of complaining, can you offer an alternative that would work better for everyone?[/QUOTE]
I suggest that those people who want to trade, keep on trading.
I suggest that if somebody breaks a promise to them and posts something that hinders their trading efforts, they concentrate their efforts on the rest of their trading pool instead of trying to improve their own personal image.
I suggest that if they do want to post some material publicly, they do so without any expectations of public gratitude or support for their trading activities, and without any mention of the material they WERE going to post before they got a better deal for it in trade.
That's an alternative to the apparent Fanthology method, and would make the life on QZ (and the trading circles) nicer for everyone.
Congratulations - you partially understand how music collecting works.
Instead of complaining, can you offer an alternative that would work better for everyone?[/QUOTE]
I suggest that those people who want to trade, keep on trading.
I suggest that if somebody breaks a promise to them and posts something that hinders their trading efforts, they concentrate their efforts on the rest of their trading pool instead of trying to improve their own personal image.
I suggest that if they do want to post some material publicly, they do so without any expectations of public gratitude or support for their trading activities, and without any mention of the material they WERE going to post before they got a better deal for it in trade.
That's an alternative to the apparent Fanthology method, and would make the life on QZ (and the trading circles) nicer for everyone.
Holly2003
An alternative "business model" might be for as many collectors as possible to digitally share everything they have within the Queen fanbase. Then there will be less rarities for trade and what rarities remaining might then see the light of day much quicker. If there is a smaller trading community then stuff will get traded quicker and will lose its value quicker. There will come a point when there's not much left to be shared. Why draw that out any longer than needs be? Now, I don't believe for a second this will happen, but you did ask for an alternative.
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I Trade
I Share
It makes me happy to give things to people who appreciate them.
I Share
It makes me happy to give things to people who appreciate them.
OwenSmith
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
Commenting on the above posting from tcc, well, I'm just being open and honest...
The original release was going to be a compilation of RT & Cross promo videos in what I think is the best quality available (although if anyone DID have better quality and was willing to share then the DVD would be upgraded), but the person I traded with actually requested those: That's why it didn't seem fair to then upload them.[/QUOTE]
If that's me you're talking about in the trade for the RT & Cross promo videos then I'm more than happy for you to release them to everyone else, in fact I positively encourage it.
I sent you my tapes to transfer to share with everyone, these were uploaded by Real Wizard as a fourth source of Birmingham 1984. I wasn't expecting anything in return but when you offered I accepted something gladly. But I had no aspirations of exclusivity for it.
Similarly if you want to upload the transfer of the Live Aid FM radio tape I sent you then please go ahead.
I don't keep anything to myself, if I had anything else that could be shared I would share it. But everything else I have are official releases, even if they can be a bit tricky to get hold of.
I originally assumed that the promo videos DVD was a private trade simply because it was a compilation of official releases and hence couldn't be shared here. I got told off for posting a link to a DVD rip of the Budapest 86 Laserdisc which I would have thought is a similar case (it's official, but not on any current format).
Commenting on the above posting from tcc, well, I'm just being open and honest...
The original release was going to be a compilation of RT & Cross promo videos in what I think is the best quality available (although if anyone DID have better quality and was willing to share then the DVD would be upgraded), but the person I traded with actually requested those: That's why it didn't seem fair to then upload them.[/QUOTE]
If that's me you're talking about in the trade for the RT & Cross promo videos then I'm more than happy for you to release them to everyone else, in fact I positively encourage it.
I sent you my tapes to transfer to share with everyone, these were uploaded by Real Wizard as a fourth source of Birmingham 1984. I wasn't expecting anything in return but when you offered I accepted something gladly. But I had no aspirations of exclusivity for it.
Similarly if you want to upload the transfer of the Live Aid FM radio tape I sent you then please go ahead.
I don't keep anything to myself, if I had anything else that could be shared I would share it. But everything else I have are official releases, even if they can be a bit tricky to get hold of.
I originally assumed that the promo videos DVD was a private trade simply because it was a compilation of official releases and hence couldn't be shared here. I got told off for posting a link to a DVD rip of the Budapest 86 Laserdisc which I would have thought is a similar case (it's official, but not on any current format).
Ghostwithasmile is BACK!
Well understand the point of Tero and The Real Wizzard. Collecting and trading Queen over 20 years I know how hard it is to get some unique things. And sometimes I get fed up with the " you can have this but you cannot do anything with it" a promise which is made everytime and mostly broken. I think it would be more fair to share everything. I know people payed a lot for a certain acetate or testpress. But there are only a handfull of unique versions on those formats. And does the collector buy the item because of it's content or because of he wants the item himself...
As for bootleg recordings wether it's audio or video8 or any other amateur format : people cannot keep it for them selves imo. Okay one ownes a great souvineer from the show he/she attended. But they cannot claim any rights to it's content that belongs to the artist. I really can't see why people don't upload this for free. It is and will always be a infrior amateur product. And only a handfull of people will be interested in this.
E.g. After the Queen + pr shows people were acting like greedy wolves. You can buy or trade a cope but cannot do anything with it... Stupid these weren't the 70's were huge old fashioned gear needed to smuggle into the arena. All queen pr shows are bootleged in audio and as for the many handycam recordings : i don't really care . And if someone does when did you watched a entire queen+pr bootleg dvd ?
So my point is : amateur = share it
Pro recordings = trade them around
Of course this is my opinion and I hope anyone will respect my point.
Then again and needles to say. The true and real Queen collectors aren't on Queenzone !
As for bootleg recordings wether it's audio or video8 or any other amateur format : people cannot keep it for them selves imo. Okay one ownes a great souvineer from the show he/she attended. But they cannot claim any rights to it's content that belongs to the artist. I really can't see why people don't upload this for free. It is and will always be a infrior amateur product. And only a handfull of people will be interested in this.
E.g. After the Queen + pr shows people were acting like greedy wolves. You can buy or trade a cope but cannot do anything with it... Stupid these weren't the 70's were huge old fashioned gear needed to smuggle into the arena. All queen pr shows are bootleged in audio and as for the many handycam recordings : i don't really care . And if someone does when did you watched a entire queen+pr bootleg dvd ?
So my point is : amateur = share it
Pro recordings = trade them around
Of course this is my opinion and I hope anyone will respect my point.
Then again and needles to say. The true and real Queen collectors aren't on Queenzone !