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YourValentine
I agree with you, Holly, in thinking that our attitude versus animals is changing. It is well possible that future generations will all be vegetarians which would be good anyway for the nutrition of the world population and the climate change. For now, however, we do have farmers growing cattle and it is still an important business with regard to feeding the country. I think that the rights of the farmers to raise cattle in a safe environment is not appreciated enough in the discussion but this is perhaps because I only watch the brianmay.com YouTube clips other people write on my facebook page.
Far from being an expert on bovine TB I wonder why it is such a big problem in England while it is all but eradicated in continental Europe. Vaccination of cattle is not an option because 1. it is not very effective and often causes TB instead of protecting the animal and 2. because vaccinated animals will always test positive and make it impossible to detect infected animals. Therefore vaccination is forbidden in the EU. I am surprised when Brian demands vaccination in the discussions on TV and complains about the EU forbidding it. Surely he must know why vaccination is not an option, every child that grew up in a village knows about that.
Now badgers could be vaccinated but how is this supposed to work? You can only vaccinate healthy animals, i.e. you must catch the badger (!!), test him for bovine TB (!!) and if he is not infected you can vaccinate him. What will happen to the infected animals? You cannot cure them and vaccination makes no sense - so do you let them run again? I do not think this can ever be successful. Apparently, you cannot isolate cattle herds from badgers as long as there are so many badgers, so where is a solution? I do not hear much about such issues in the clips I watched. Wildlife animals have always been killed in TB areas when a re-infection was supected - maybe it was not right from an ethical point of view but it was effective and the government and courts of law have to decide about the priorities. I think the biggest problem is the high number of involved badgers. It makes you shudder to think that so many animals will be killed.
Far from being an expert on bovine TB I wonder why it is such a big problem in England while it is all but eradicated in continental Europe. Vaccination of cattle is not an option because 1. it is not very effective and often causes TB instead of protecting the animal and 2. because vaccinated animals will always test positive and make it impossible to detect infected animals. Therefore vaccination is forbidden in the EU. I am surprised when Brian demands vaccination in the discussions on TV and complains about the EU forbidding it. Surely he must know why vaccination is not an option, every child that grew up in a village knows about that.
Now badgers could be vaccinated but how is this supposed to work? You can only vaccinate healthy animals, i.e. you must catch the badger (!!), test him for bovine TB (!!) and if he is not infected you can vaccinate him. What will happen to the infected animals? You cannot cure them and vaccination makes no sense - so do you let them run again? I do not think this can ever be successful. Apparently, you cannot isolate cattle herds from badgers as long as there are so many badgers, so where is a solution? I do not hear much about such issues in the clips I watched. Wildlife animals have always been killed in TB areas when a re-infection was supected - maybe it was not right from an ethical point of view but it was effective and the government and courts of law have to decide about the priorities. I think the biggest problem is the high number of involved badgers. It makes you shudder to think that so many animals will be killed.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
I agree with you, Holly, in thinking that our attitude versus animals is changing. It is well possible that future generations will all be vegetarians which would be good anyway for the nutrition of the world population and the climate change.[/QUOTE]
And our supply of fresh water.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/aug/26/food-shortages-world-vegetarianism
I agree with you, Holly, in thinking that our attitude versus animals is changing. It is well possible that future generations will all be vegetarians which would be good anyway for the nutrition of the world population and the climate change.[/QUOTE]
And our supply of fresh water.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/aug/26/food-shortages-world-vegetarianism
john bodega
"black people are no longer slaves"
Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.