"squeezing as much cash out of fans constantly re-re-re-releasing the same stuff,"
But fans keep re re re buying it so why shouldn't they?
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TomP63
But maybe QPL can make things interessting by releasing the 17 years ago promissed Queen at the BBC/Beeb....back then it was postponed due the fact that 'they' didn't want to flood the market with all the re-re-released items, but in that same period 'they' gave us Rocks and Greatest Hits.yet again. There are more bands who keep on re-releasing their material, Thunder for instance, but they do release everything they've got, the point their making is, although it is a crappy demo, you be the judge. Rory Gallagher's releases are also done with the upmost precision, attracting new fans, but in the same time, never forget the long term fans. Queen however are in the middle, they can't decide if they want to attract new fans, or give the 'old' fans a treat. That's why the re-releases of the last serie is so incomplete, on the whole there are some nice additions on the second disc, but as whole there is such material lacking. No extended versions on Hot Space, and the booklet is below par, no extra information. Putting live versions of albums which are already released is in my believe below par and adds nothing to it's initial release, celebrating 40 years of Queen. A groundbreaking album as ANATO needed a fullyfledged re-release in 2005, that is the opportunity 'they' have missed..........
Tom
Tom
ITSM
I used to buy everything with the name Queen on it, but now - the last 2 to 4 years - I feel like it isn't enough, what's being released.
Ok, so they added å couple of "new" songs on the 40 years CD's, but we already had most of them, and they are also on Spotify.
Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.
I want to write more, but I'm writing on my phone. But I want to add; I used to have less money growing up than now, because I'm working, but I buy less and less... Hope you understand. Of course I have more stuff now than I used to, but still...!
I liked the Freddie Mercury - the Great Pretender though...
Ok, so they added å couple of "new" songs on the 40 years CD's, but we already had most of them, and they are also on Spotify.
Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.
I want to write more, but I'm writing on my phone. But I want to add; I used to have less money growing up than now, because I'm working, but I buy less and less... Hope you understand. Of course I have more stuff now than I used to, but still...!
I liked the Freddie Mercury - the Great Pretender though...
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]ITSM wrote:[/b]
Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.
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Whilkst I am very against the usual rehash and continued re-releases of old Queen stuff, I don't think you can compare having the VHS, where the video and audio runs fast, to having the newly released Blu Ray, speed corrected with pristine picture and audio quality. Likewise, the bootleg audience recorded CD compared to the full gig mixed properly on 2CDs. Still, each to their own.....
Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.
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Whilkst I am very against the usual rehash and continued re-releases of old Queen stuff, I don't think you can compare having the VHS, where the video and audio runs fast, to having the newly released Blu Ray, speed corrected with pristine picture and audio quality. Likewise, the bootleg audience recorded CD compared to the full gig mixed properly on 2CDs. Still, each to their own.....
matt z
[QUOTE] [b]dysan wrote:[/b]
I'm not sure I'd include Bowie on that list - his reissues have been really lacking, with only about 3 in the last 22 years being must haves even then including dubious new mixes but leaving out obvious unreleased material every half interested fan will have found online.[/QUOTE]
Oddly enough, Bowie albums seemed to be rereleased incessantly while i was in high school.
The best releases contained SEVERAL additional tracks PER album, but then when his next album came, they were released AGAIN... omitting the extra stuff almost entirely.
anybody know what happened?
*not that i really care)
I'm not sure I'd include Bowie on that list - his reissues have been really lacking, with only about 3 in the last 22 years being must haves even then including dubious new mixes but leaving out obvious unreleased material every half interested fan will have found online.[/QUOTE]
Oddly enough, Bowie albums seemed to be rereleased incessantly while i was in high school.
The best releases contained SEVERAL additional tracks PER album, but then when his next album came, they were released AGAIN... omitting the extra stuff almost entirely.
anybody know what happened?
*not that i really care)
Ron
Bowie indeed re-released his albums in 1990/1991 (and 92?) and most albums included one or more bonus tracks, mostly unreleased, although I think that Bowie did not always liked that.
Then in 1999 (?) his albums were remastered and released again though this time without bonus tracks.
And I think there was another re-issue batch a few years later, also with no bonus tracks.
The only interesting releases are maybe his Station To Station box set and the early 90's Ryko re-issues which feat the bonus tracks.
Then in 1999 (?) his albums were remastered and released again though this time without bonus tracks.
And I think there was another re-issue batch a few years later, also with no bonus tracks.
The only interesting releases are maybe his Station To Station box set and the early 90's Ryko re-issues which feat the bonus tracks.
dysan
Exactly right Ron. Hard to believe the Rykodisc versions were 20 years ago. Nothing new to speak of since then, bar 2 archival concerts. The better reissues (the '67 and '69 David Bowie albums were massively expanded included near on 40 tracks 2 years ago. Aladdin Sane and ZS 30th anniversary 2 disc sets in 2002/3 rehashed the Ryko bonus material and some annoyingly unnecessary single edits. Nothing to speak of other than that, but the Station To Station deluxe reissue was amazing, although featuring the same 6 tracks from the album spread over several discs. A treatment I would've loved to have seen for a more interesting album. Deluxe Hunky Dory and Low have been promised for nearly 10 years now, but apparently there are some legal wrangles and Bowie's general apathy. The recent ZS 40th anniversary issue show this to be true with less material than the 30th anniversay disc.
Good thread.
Good thread.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]ITSM wrote:[/b]
Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.
[/QUOTE]
Whilkst I am very against the usual rehash and continued re-releases of old Queen stuff, I don't think you can compare having the VHS, where the video and audio runs fast, to having the newly released Blu Ray, speed corrected with pristine picture and audio quality. Likewise, the bootleg audience recorded CD compared to the full gig mixed properly on 2CDs. Still, each to their own.....[/QUOTE]
You're far too kind.
If you're not a fan of the Magic tour or era, that's one thing. But to condemn the Budapest releases for containing nothing new is pure stupidity.
[QUOTE] [b]ITSM wrote:[/b]
Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.
[/QUOTE]
Whilkst I am very against the usual rehash and continued re-releases of old Queen stuff, I don't think you can compare having the VHS, where the video and audio runs fast, to having the newly released Blu Ray, speed corrected with pristine picture and audio quality. Likewise, the bootleg audience recorded CD compared to the full gig mixed properly on 2CDs. Still, each to their own.....[/QUOTE]
You're far too kind.
If you're not a fan of the Magic tour or era, that's one thing. But to condemn the Budapest releases for containing nothing new is pure stupidity.
The Real Wizard
Time for some much-needed perspective, methinks.
Queen may not be kings of official releases, but they have put out a lot of great stuff over the last decade. Compared to other bands, Queen are flying high. Not highest, but high.
Floyd, Bowie, Springsteen - they've all done incredibly well, no doubt. But plenty of artists do little else than rehashing. Just ask Aerosmith fans who have two compilations for every live album - most of which suck.
Here's the list of official Queen releases of the past decade (perhaps I'm missing something, but this is off the top of my head). Not counting solo, Q+PR, etc.
2002 - Greatest Video Hits 1
2003 - Greatest Video Hits 2
2003 - Wembley CD/DVD
2004 - Live At The Bowl CD/DVD
2006 - ANATO documentary (isolated Good Company guitars are worth the price of admission alone)
2007 - Rock Montreal/Live Aid CD/DVD
2009 - Absolute Greatest videos
2011 - 40th anniversary memorabilia book
2011 - albums remastered, great bonus tracks
2011 - Days Of Our Lives documentary
2011 - Wembley CD/DVD (latter with complete first night)
2012 - Budapest CD/DVD/blu-ray
70s concerts are on their way in the years to come. The only question is - are they coming too late when a lot of older fans have lost interest? That remains to be told.
Queen may not be kings of official releases, but they have put out a lot of great stuff over the last decade. Compared to other bands, Queen are flying high. Not highest, but high.
Floyd, Bowie, Springsteen - they've all done incredibly well, no doubt. But plenty of artists do little else than rehashing. Just ask Aerosmith fans who have two compilations for every live album - most of which suck.
Here's the list of official Queen releases of the past decade (perhaps I'm missing something, but this is off the top of my head). Not counting solo, Q+PR, etc.
2002 - Greatest Video Hits 1
2003 - Greatest Video Hits 2
2003 - Wembley CD/DVD
2004 - Live At The Bowl CD/DVD
2006 - ANATO documentary (isolated Good Company guitars are worth the price of admission alone)
2007 - Rock Montreal/Live Aid CD/DVD
2009 - Absolute Greatest videos
2011 - 40th anniversary memorabilia book
2011 - albums remastered, great bonus tracks
2011 - Days Of Our Lives documentary
2011 - Wembley CD/DVD (latter with complete first night)
2012 - Budapest CD/DVD/blu-ray
70s concerts are on their way in the years to come. The only question is - are they coming too late when a lot of older fans have lost interest? That remains to be told.
dysan
Agreed. For their flaws, the 2011 album reissues could've been a lot worse.
Ron
[QUOTE] [b]dysan wrote:[/b]
Exactly right Ron. Hard to believe the Rykodisc versions were 20 years ago. Nothing new to speak of since then, bar 2 archival concerts. The better reissues (the '67 and '69 David Bowie albums were massively expanded included near on 40 tracks 2 years ago. Aladdin Sane and ZS 30th anniversary 2 disc sets in 2002/3 rehashed the Ryko bonus material and some annoyingly unnecessary single edits. [...] [/QUOTE]
Whoop! How could I forget those 2CD anniversary re-issues? Yes, these are pretty worthwhile in my opinion.
The mega box of STS is indeed more or less attractive because of its packaging, not because of its contents unfortunately. Think that the only unreleased track was an edit of the STS song itself plus a concert (which was previously available as a bootleg).
Exactly right Ron. Hard to believe the Rykodisc versions were 20 years ago. Nothing new to speak of since then, bar 2 archival concerts. The better reissues (the '67 and '69 David Bowie albums were massively expanded included near on 40 tracks 2 years ago. Aladdin Sane and ZS 30th anniversary 2 disc sets in 2002/3 rehashed the Ryko bonus material and some annoyingly unnecessary single edits. [...] [/QUOTE]
Whoop! How could I forget those 2CD anniversary re-issues? Yes, these are pretty worthwhile in my opinion.
The mega box of STS is indeed more or less attractive because of its packaging, not because of its contents unfortunately. Think that the only unreleased track was an edit of the STS song itself plus a concert (which was previously available as a bootleg).
dysan
Yes, I enjoyed the slimmed down 3 cd version of STS more than the bigger box. Unfortunately that Nassau gig was butchered in a similar way to the Santa Monica '72 release in 2008. Oh well, at least we got them :o)
Lord Fickle
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance
i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues?
f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year)
rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want...
and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage
are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday delivery [/QUOTE]
And what do you think? I'd heard the 'Rough' mixes of LLRnR before, but it's nice to hear them slightly cleaned up. The Shepperton Rehearsal recordings are also interesting to hear, but I think the real jewel in these releases is the On Stage bonus CD, with a great sounding 1976 recording from Osaka. It's good to hear the bits of it that were included on the original On Stage CD, back in their original settings. It's just a shame Stargazer is missing, and they couldn't find a live version of A Light In The Black to include.
agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance
i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues?
f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year)
rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want...
and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage
are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday delivery [/QUOTE]
And what do you think? I'd heard the 'Rough' mixes of LLRnR before, but it's nice to hear them slightly cleaned up. The Shepperton Rehearsal recordings are also interesting to hear, but I think the real jewel in these releases is the On Stage bonus CD, with a great sounding 1976 recording from Osaka. It's good to hear the bits of it that were included on the original On Stage CD, back in their original settings. It's just a shame Stargazer is missing, and they couldn't find a live version of A Light In The Black to include.
shamar
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70s concerts are on their way in the years to come. The only question is - are they coming too late when a lot of older fans have lost interest? That remains to be told.[/QUOTE]
Quite half-rhetorical question.
QP wasted opportunities to satisfy old fans. Not all of them, ofcourse. There are always die-hard fans buying the same every little shit , just in different cover.
What about other? They don't care if QP'll realese something in 5 years or 20.
It's definitelly much too late.
70s concerts are on their way in the years to come. The only question is - are they coming too late when a lot of older fans have lost interest? That remains to be told.[/QUOTE]
Quite half-rhetorical question.
QP wasted opportunities to satisfy old fans. Not all of them, ofcourse. There are always die-hard fans buying the same every little shit , just in different cover.
What about other? They don't care if QP'll realese something in 5 years or 20.
It's definitelly much too late.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Lord Fickle wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance
i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues?
f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year)
rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want...
and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage
are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday delivery [/QUOTE]
And what do you think? I'd heard the 'Rough' mixes of LLRnR before, but it's nice to hear them slightly cleaned up. The Shepperton Rehearsal recordings are also interesting to hear, but I think the real jewel in these releases is the On Stage bonus CD, with a great sounding 1976 recording from Osaka. It's good to hear the bits of it that were included on the original On Stage CD, back in their original settings. It's just a shame Stargazer is missing, and they couldn't find a live version of A Light In The Black to include.
[/QUOTE]
agreed. i too had the rough mixes of all three albums LLRaR, DTE and Rising, but it's a really nice touch to hear them cleaned up, and rainbow have given their fans some real valuable stuff over the last two years.
yes stargazer and ALITB - pity.
but there are some excellent versions knocking about of both played in succession
new york 75 (audience) and miami (76)
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance
i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues?
f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year)
rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want...
and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage
are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday delivery [/QUOTE]
And what do you think? I'd heard the 'Rough' mixes of LLRnR before, but it's nice to hear them slightly cleaned up. The Shepperton Rehearsal recordings are also interesting to hear, but I think the real jewel in these releases is the On Stage bonus CD, with a great sounding 1976 recording from Osaka. It's good to hear the bits of it that were included on the original On Stage CD, back in their original settings. It's just a shame Stargazer is missing, and they couldn't find a live version of A Light In The Black to include.
[/QUOTE]
agreed. i too had the rough mixes of all three albums LLRaR, DTE and Rising, but it's a really nice touch to hear them cleaned up, and rainbow have given their fans some real valuable stuff over the last two years.
yes stargazer and ALITB - pity.
but there are some excellent versions knocking about of both played in succession
new york 75 (audience) and miami (76)