Bad Seed
I think the colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great!
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popy
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[b]Bad Seed wrote: [/b] I think the colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great![/QUOTE]
X2. On VHS the colours are washed out, to yellow. Hungarian Rhapsody has more true-to-life skin colours. I think that even there's a filter on VHS release that erases (in some songs) pink colours.
Look at Bohemian Rhapsody on Wembley. Freddie is on the piano and has pink and blue lights on him.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg[/url]
Now let's look at Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD. Although the lightning rig is smaller than Wembley, the lights are a small version than the bigger stage version.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0[/url]
Now Budapest VHS. Where's pink lights on Freddie?
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk[/url]
A Kind Of Magic [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg[/url] Hungarian Rhapsody version. Skip to bass solo (3m30s)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8[/url] (Skip again to bass solo) VHS version with very little ammount of pink, and a very washed out blue.
So, Budapest VHS has the right colours, and Wembley and Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD the wrong ones? I really don't think so. I think that colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great.
I think the VHS colours are WAY wrong. I can't really tell if it's to yellow-ish, to washed out or to brighter, all all of them, but are way wrong. The videos i posted prove it. I definitely prefer Hungarian Rhapsody colours.
[b]Bad Seed wrote: [/b] I think the colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great![/QUOTE]
X2. On VHS the colours are washed out, to yellow. Hungarian Rhapsody has more true-to-life skin colours. I think that even there's a filter on VHS release that erases (in some songs) pink colours.
Look at Bohemian Rhapsody on Wembley. Freddie is on the piano and has pink and blue lights on him.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg[/url]
Now let's look at Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD. Although the lightning rig is smaller than Wembley, the lights are a small version than the bigger stage version.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0[/url]
Now Budapest VHS. Where's pink lights on Freddie?
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk[/url]
A Kind Of Magic [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg[/url] Hungarian Rhapsody version. Skip to bass solo (3m30s)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8[/url] (Skip again to bass solo) VHS version with very little ammount of pink, and a very washed out blue.
So, Budapest VHS has the right colours, and Wembley and Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD the wrong ones? I really don't think so. I think that colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great.
I think the VHS colours are WAY wrong. I can't really tell if it's to yellow-ish, to washed out or to brighter, all all of them, but are way wrong. The videos i posted prove it. I definitely prefer Hungarian Rhapsody colours.
earwig
I agree with Popy and Bad Seed.
The negative people in this thread are assuming the original VHS releases had the CORRECT colours but maybe they were always wrong to begin with and have only now been corrected for the new Blu-Rays?!
And who decides what is the definitive version anyway? I suggest the one with the best skin/flesh tones - i.e. the latest releases!
The negative people in this thread are assuming the original VHS releases had the CORRECT colours but maybe they were always wrong to begin with and have only now been corrected for the new Blu-Rays?!
And who decides what is the definitive version anyway? I suggest the one with the best skin/flesh tones - i.e. the latest releases!
emrabt
Earwig the latest releases are tinted yellow. Eagle rock tint all of their stuff blue or yellow, No idea why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q37zWomj3EU&list=UUPdLkYNQTjzBpkcdxRLnyPA&index=5&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q37zWomj3EU&list=UUPdLkYNQTjzBpkcdxRLnyPA&index=5&feature=plcp
tomchristie22
^ Exactly. There's absolutely no way that what's in Rock Montreal could be called natural skin tones.
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]popy wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]Bad Seed wrote: [/b] I think the colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great![/QUOTE]
X2. On VHS the colours are washed out, to yellow. Hungarian Rhapsody has more true-to-life skin colours. I think that even there's a filter on VHS release that erases (in some songs) pink colours.
Look at Bohemian Rhapsody on Wembley. Freddie is on the piano and has pink and blue lights on him.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg[/url]
Now let's look at Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD. Although the lightning rig is smaller than Wembley, the lights are a small version than the bigger stage version.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0[/url]
Now Budapest VHS. Where's pink lights on Freddie?
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk[/url]
A Kind Of Magic [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg[/url] Hungarian Rhapsody version. Skip to bass solo (3m30s)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8[/url] (Skip again to bass solo) VHS version with very little ammount of pink, and a very washed out blue.
So, Budapest VHS has the right colours, and Wembley and Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD the wrong ones? I really don't think so. I think that colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great.
I think the VHS colours are WAY wrong. I can't really tell if it's to yellow-ish, to washed out or to brighter, all all of them, but are way wrong. The videos i posted prove it. I definitely prefer Hungarian Rhapsody colours.[/QUOTE]
First of all, I have no idea why do you use a bad VHS transfer as a video reference ? The youtube video is NOT how the VHS looks like.
The same video you posted : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk proves that there ARE pink lights on Freddie's head & back (1:41) and blue lights on the bottom, just like anywhere else.
The second example (A Kind Of Magic) shows that the VHS sourced clip is either desaturated or the BluRay is oversaturated.
Check this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related - this is a MUCH better representation of how the tape looks like. Go to 54:48 for the John Deacon segment. Also go to 17:20 for the bass solo in Magic.
Now go to the beginning of both videos :
Magic in Budapest : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related
Hungarian Rhapsody : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Si3H4BuHfe0
Check for example the part where the flag is in the wind on the stadium at the beginning.
Or check the first video at 00:00:28 and compare it to the second video on 00:01:12. Do you really like pink skies ?
Or compare the people in the next scenes.
Or check the opening shot of Freddie, in the first video the lights behind him are yellow (correct), in the second video the lights behind him (the right bottom corner) are almost green. Do you see the stripes on Freddie's vest ? They don't look correct on any video, but they look better on the old one (more real to the real vest). Go to the next shot, the first shot of Brian. On the original video Brian's vest is white, in the new video it's blue, and you can clearly see that the whole image is shifted to blue.
Etc, etc, etc.
I still prefer the original colours, they look much more natural.
The new Bluray was recoloured by Thomas Urbye and Jason Wallis and I can't say I'm impressed with their work
[QUOTE]
[b]Bad Seed wrote: [/b] I think the colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great![/QUOTE]
X2. On VHS the colours are washed out, to yellow. Hungarian Rhapsody has more true-to-life skin colours. I think that even there's a filter on VHS release that erases (in some songs) pink colours.
Look at Bohemian Rhapsody on Wembley. Freddie is on the piano and has pink and blue lights on him.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg[/url]
Now let's look at Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD. Although the lightning rig is smaller than Wembley, the lights are a small version than the bigger stage version.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0[/url]
Now Budapest VHS. Where's pink lights on Freddie?
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk[/url]
A Kind Of Magic [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg[/url] Hungarian Rhapsody version. Skip to bass solo (3m30s)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8[/url] (Skip again to bass solo) VHS version with very little ammount of pink, and a very washed out blue.
So, Budapest VHS has the right colours, and Wembley and Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD the wrong ones? I really don't think so. I think that colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great.
I think the VHS colours are WAY wrong. I can't really tell if it's to yellow-ish, to washed out or to brighter, all all of them, but are way wrong. The videos i posted prove it. I definitely prefer Hungarian Rhapsody colours.[/QUOTE]
First of all, I have no idea why do you use a bad VHS transfer as a video reference ? The youtube video is NOT how the VHS looks like.
The same video you posted : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk proves that there ARE pink lights on Freddie's head & back (1:41) and blue lights on the bottom, just like anywhere else.
The second example (A Kind Of Magic) shows that the VHS sourced clip is either desaturated or the BluRay is oversaturated.
Check this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related - this is a MUCH better representation of how the tape looks like. Go to 54:48 for the John Deacon segment. Also go to 17:20 for the bass solo in Magic.
Now go to the beginning of both videos :
Magic in Budapest : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related
Hungarian Rhapsody : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Si3H4BuHfe0
Check for example the part where the flag is in the wind on the stadium at the beginning.
Or check the first video at 00:00:28 and compare it to the second video on 00:01:12. Do you really like pink skies ?
Or compare the people in the next scenes.
Or check the opening shot of Freddie, in the first video the lights behind him are yellow (correct), in the second video the lights behind him (the right bottom corner) are almost green. Do you see the stripes on Freddie's vest ? They don't look correct on any video, but they look better on the old one (more real to the real vest). Go to the next shot, the first shot of Brian. On the original video Brian's vest is white, in the new video it's blue, and you can clearly see that the whole image is shifted to blue.
Etc, etc, etc.
I still prefer the original colours, they look much more natural.
The new Bluray was recoloured by Thomas Urbye and Jason Wallis and I can't say I'm impressed with their work
cmsdrums
On the subject of picture quality, why have they used stills pictures in the booklet of such poor quality? - they are nearly all blurry and washed out and not very inspired selections.
On a REALLY pendantic point, another error in the booklet: it says Queen "ARE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian. This should either be Queen "WERE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian, or it should read Queen "ARE" Roger and Brian!!!!
On a REALLY pendantic point, another error in the booklet: it says Queen "ARE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian. This should either be Queen "WERE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian, or it should read Queen "ARE" Roger and Brian!!!!
Vocal harmony
It's pointless comparing colours between Wembley and Budapest. Wembley was shot mostly in day light or fading day light. Budapest was shot later at night in the dark. The stage at wembley was much bigger than the European shows. Using the same lighting rig but having it spread out more with longer throws to the lighted subject the colours at wembley should be less vivid and reds, blues and greens particularly will tend to look more washed out.
Making the comparisons that are being made, both shows would have to be shot under the same conditions with the same sized area being lit which they're not.
Making the comparisons that are being made, both shows would have to be shot under the same conditions with the same sized area being lit which they're not.
KevoM
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
It's pointless comparing colours between Wembley and Budapest. Wembley was shot mostly in day light or fading day light. Budapest was shot later at night in the dark. The stage at wembley was much bigger than the European shows. Using the same lighting rig but having it spread out more with longer throws to the lighted subject the colours at wembley should be less vivid and reds, blues and greens particularly will tend to look more washed out.
Making the comparisons that are being made, both shows would have to be shot under the same conditions with the same sized area being lit which they're not.
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Erm... and the biggest differeneceof all?....
One was shot on 35mm film the other on betacam sp video tape.
It's pointless comparing colours between Wembley and Budapest. Wembley was shot mostly in day light or fading day light. Budapest was shot later at night in the dark. The stage at wembley was much bigger than the European shows. Using the same lighting rig but having it spread out more with longer throws to the lighted subject the colours at wembley should be less vivid and reds, blues and greens particularly will tend to look more washed out.
Making the comparisons that are being made, both shows would have to be shot under the same conditions with the same sized area being lit which they're not.
[/QUOTE]
Erm... and the biggest differeneceof all?....
One was shot on 35mm film the other on betacam sp video tape.
earwig
a[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
On the subject of picture quality, why have they used stills pictures in the booklet of such poor quality? - they are nearly all blurry and washed out and not very inspired selections.
On a REALLY pendantic point, another error in the booklet: it says Queen "ARE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian. This should either be Queen "WERE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian, or it should read Queen "ARE" Roger and Brian!!!![/QUOTE]
...and of course any Americans reading this will say that it should be Queen 'IS' Freddie, Brian etc
Pah!!!
On the subject of picture quality, why have they used stills pictures in the booklet of such poor quality? - they are nearly all blurry and washed out and not very inspired selections.
On a REALLY pendantic point, another error in the booklet: it says Queen "ARE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian. This should either be Queen "WERE" Freddie, John, Roger and Brian, or it should read Queen "ARE" Roger and Brian!!!![/QUOTE]
...and of course any Americans reading this will say that it should be Queen 'IS' Freddie, Brian etc
Pah!!!
earwig
This documentary about the re-release of Peter Gabriel's Secret World Live is very relevant here...
http://youtu.be/6aZsU-IIvMQ
Some cameras were shooting 1.85:1 and some were shooting open matte 4:3
(sorry if this point has already been made)
http://youtu.be/6aZsU-IIvMQ
Some cameras were shooting 1.85:1 and some were shooting open matte 4:3
(sorry if this point has already been made)
earwig
[QUOTE] [b]emrabt wrote:[/b]
Earwig the latest releases are tinted yellow. Eagle rock tint all of their stuff blue or yellow, No idea why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q37zWomj3EU&list=UUPdLkYNQTjzBpkcdxRLnyPA&index=5&feature=plcp[/QUOTE]
Well... based on this evidence... I humbly apologise :-(
Earwig the latest releases are tinted yellow. Eagle rock tint all of their stuff blue or yellow, No idea why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q37zWomj3EU&list=UUPdLkYNQTjzBpkcdxRLnyPA&index=5&feature=plcp[/QUOTE]
Well... based on this evidence... I humbly apologise :-(
cmsdrums
The Budapest blu ray picture looks good to me.
Montreal however does, as has been said by many since its release, looks 'washed out'. Yes, the picture did need brightening, and a lot of things like the audience and Roger's syndrum unit and stage monitors can now be seen, but they have done this without retaining or improving the natural colours on the film, and have lost most of the 'depth' and glossiness.
Montreal however does, as has been said by many since its release, looks 'washed out'. Yes, the picture did need brightening, and a lot of things like the audience and Roger's syndrum unit and stage monitors can now be seen, but they have done this without retaining or improving the natural colours on the film, and have lost most of the 'depth' and glossiness.
tomchristie22
Pf, I doubt there's any need to apologize. Eagle Rock's fault, not yours. Rock Montreal probably would look fantastic without the knowledge that it's so tinted and overly bright...
I hadn't realised Budapest was recoloured so much. What on earth is the point? I could perhaps understand it if it actually made it look better, but it doesn't do that either. :/
I hadn't realised Budapest was recoloured so much. What on earth is the point? I could perhaps understand it if it actually made it look better, but it doesn't do that either. :/
Battler
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
It's pointless comparing colours between Wembley and Budapest. Wembley was shot mostly in day light or fading day light. Budapest was shot later at night in the dark. The stage at wembley was much bigger than the European shows. Using the same lighting rig but having it spread out more with longer throws to the lighted subject the colours at wembley should be less vivid and reds, blues and greens particularly will tend to look more washed out.
Making the comparisons that are being made, both shows would have to be shot under the same conditions with the same sized area being lit which they're not.
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Yet comparing Wembley to Budapest, even VHS to VHS, let alone DVD (Wembley) to VHS (Budapest), the colors (such as the pink in Bohemian Rhapsody) are considerably more vivid on Wembley than Budapest, the exact opposite of what you said should be the case. In comparison, they're correctly vivid on Hungarian Rhapsody.
As for the pink sky - it's sunset, the sky always gets pink'ish during sunset.
To solve the dispute on which version of Budapest has the colors closer to natural, we'd need to find someone who's actually seen the actual film in cinema's in 1986.
Edit: The lime green lights behind Freddie, look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFGc6_x7Mi8 .
This is from Leiden. Same lime green lights. So it seems the DVD/Blu-ray is correct in this case too.
It's pointless comparing colours between Wembley and Budapest. Wembley was shot mostly in day light or fading day light. Budapest was shot later at night in the dark. The stage at wembley was much bigger than the European shows. Using the same lighting rig but having it spread out more with longer throws to the lighted subject the colours at wembley should be less vivid and reds, blues and greens particularly will tend to look more washed out.
Making the comparisons that are being made, both shows would have to be shot under the same conditions with the same sized area being lit which they're not.
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Yet comparing Wembley to Budapest, even VHS to VHS, let alone DVD (Wembley) to VHS (Budapest), the colors (such as the pink in Bohemian Rhapsody) are considerably more vivid on Wembley than Budapest, the exact opposite of what you said should be the case. In comparison, they're correctly vivid on Hungarian Rhapsody.
As for the pink sky - it's sunset, the sky always gets pink'ish during sunset.
To solve the dispute on which version of Budapest has the colors closer to natural, we'd need to find someone who's actually seen the actual film in cinema's in 1986.
Edit: The lime green lights behind Freddie, look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFGc6_x7Mi8 .
This is from Leiden. Same lime green lights. So it seems the DVD/Blu-ray is correct in this case too.