Budapest Vs Montreal Blu-Ray

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[b]pittrek wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]popy wrote:[/b]

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[b]Bad Seed wrote: [/b] I think the colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great![/QUOTE]

X2. On VHS the colours are washed out, to yellow. Hungarian Rhapsody has more true-to-life skin colours. I think that even there's a filter on VHS release that erases (in some songs) pink colours.

Look at Bohemian Rhapsody on Wembley. Freddie is on the piano and has pink and blue lights on him.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNeNRG3FpCg[/url]

Now let's look at Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD. Although the lightning rig is smaller than Wembley, the lights are a small version than the bigger stage version.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r27rWqh6kN0[/url]

Now Budapest VHS. Where's pink lights on Freddie?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk[/url]

A Kind Of Magic [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-CORnWpHWg[/url] Hungarian Rhapsody version. Skip to bass solo (3m30s)

 [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxN0wpFoP8[/url]   (Skip again to bass solo) VHS version with very little ammount of pink, and a very washed out blue.

So, Budapest VHS has the right colours, and Wembley and Budapest Blu-Ray/DVD the wrong ones? I really don't think so. I think that colours on Hungarian Rhapsody are great.

I think the VHS colours are WAY wrong. I can't really tell if it's to yellow-ish, to washed out or to brighter, all all of them, but are way wrong. The videos i posted prove it. I definitely prefer Hungarian Rhapsody colours.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I have no idea why do you use a bad VHS transfer as a video reference ? The youtube video is NOT how the VHS looks like.

The same video you posted : [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OxNccvEkk[/url] proves that there ARE pink lights on Freddie's head & back (1:41) and blue lights on the bottom, just like anywhere else.

The second example (A Kind Of Magic) shows that the VHS sourced clip is either desaturated or the BluRay is oversaturated.

Check this video : [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related[/url] - this is a MUCH better representation of how the tape looks like. Go to 54:48 for the John Deacon segment. Also go to 17:20 for the bass solo in Magic.

Now go to the beginning of both videos :
Magic in Budapest : [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoSCiPFcts&feature=related[/url]
Hungarian Rhapsody : [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Si3H4BuHfe0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Si3H4BuHfe0[/url]
Check for example the part where the flag is in the wind on the stadium at the beginning.
Or check the first video at 00:00:28 and compare it to the second video on 00:01:12. Do you really like pink skies ?
Or compare the people in the next scenes.

Or check the opening shot of Freddie, in the first video the lights behind him are yellow (correct), in the second video the lights behind him (the right bottom corner) are almost green. Do you see the stripes on Freddie's vest ? They don't look correct on any video, but they look better on the old one (more real to the real vest). Go to the next shot, the first shot of Brian. On the original video Brian's vest is white, in the new video it's blue, and you can clearly see that the whole image is shifted to blue.
Etc, etc, etc.

I still prefer the original colours, they look much more natural.
The new Bluray was recoloured by Thomas Urbye and Jason Wallis and I can't say I'm impressed with their work[/QUOTE]

 So let's look at the stadium shots at the begining (before the time-lapse stage construction footage). We all now the Sun is yellow(ish). On the VHS the sky is blue/white. At the time of thoose shots, the sun is coming down, or rising up. People think that the sky should look white when normally, at sun rising or coming down, the colours become yellow(ish), But people still think it should look white, real white, and i don't know why.

 As for the pink, at least now we see the sky, not a bleeding white thing when the sky is blue and the Sun is yellow(ish). Have you never seen the sky pink(ish) or even orange, specially when there's clouds on the sky and the sun is coming down or rising up?

 Also, on that 00:01:12 (Hungarian Rhapsody) you see, near the top seats of the stadium, some fences and some other things, but on 00:00:28 (VHS) you don't see it. Oh and i almost forgot the lightning tower that almost disappears because of the over exagerated white in the sky.

 And don't get me started with Freddie doing the "deh oh's" alone in the stadium when, in VHS you only see a exagerated white sky, but, all of the sudden when you see the Hungarian Rhapsody version, you see the blue sky with clouds on it. Oh, and you notice the stadium lights are turned on, also something you don't see on the VHS. (Hungarian Rhapsody 00:23:24 and VHS 00:21:47).

 Film to VHS transfer wasn't always great. Now with modern technology, they can make an old film look like new, like it was shot yesterday. The VHS looks like what a transfer of that time (the 80's) normally looks like, bad. I think that VHS is wrong. Way to much over-bright white(ish).

Decisions where made for both releases, some are good, some are bad. But of course these are all opinions, and everyone has their own. My opinion: I prefer Hungarian Rhapsody. If you ask me, i prefer it with some blue tint, than an over brighted white image that doesn't let me see the sky (Freddie's "deh-oh's") or doesn't let me see what Roger is wearing when Freddie is signing the book in his segment. (00:19:57 on VHS, also look at the book, 00:21:29 on Hungarian Rhapsody, also, is Brian wearing white or blue?)

Blue tint or over-brighted white? Give me blue-tint.

 I also didn't like what they've done to Rock Montreal, but this time i think they've done a better job, although i think it could be better.

I don't think the Budapest recolouring is as egregious as the Montreal one.

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To solve the dispute on which version of Budapest has the colors closer to natural, we'd need to find someone who's actually seen the actual film in cinema's in 1986.
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I saw it at the cinema way back in 1987/88.

I can't remember what I had for breakfast two weeks ago or what SkyFall loked like in 4k last week!! let alone what colours a film looked like 26 YEARS AGO!!!

NOBODY can remember that, so a pointless question.

Same logic applies to some of the Jimmy Saville 'abuse' victims from 40 years ago. (ching ching ££!)

KevoM. You've somehow miss quoted me.

I didn't ask that question.

My original post was pointing out facts about lighting. What I was trying to point out was the effect the lighting at each show would have. If this doesn't come over on Video or DVD then quite simply neither of these shows appear as they did if you were there on the night.

Even the original Cinema footage could be wrong.

As far as Jimi Saville goes I think any victim, whether the crime occurred a week ago or forty years ago, wouldn't forget as much as they may want to.

"Same logic applies to some of the Jimmy Saville 'abuse' victims from 40 years ago."

WOAH. You seriously think that's the kind of thing that someone wouldn't remember clearly?

Mentalist.

i'll agree that Hungarian Rhapsody is an huge improvement over the Magic in Budapest VHS in the visual and audio spectrum, and it made up for the over-saturated "Instacrap"... i mean "Instagram"-ish tint from Rock Montreal. The video looked liked it was filmed recently (btw Popy, you asked if Brian is wearing white or blue? He's wearing white. His shirt reflected the blue light surrounding him). The sound is impeccable (I'm glad they finally fixed the frame rate of the audio). Overall, it's a bloody good concert. The only thing that disapointed me is that they still didn't show the FULL concert. it was like Rock Montreal all over again when they omitted ABTD and Hello Mary Lou, shortened Crazy Little Thing, the Guitar Solo, and Love Of My Life for the video release. I was hoping... well WE were hoping they would finally see the light of day in the big screen when it was premiered in theaters. But at least the CD version made up for those omissions. That means we still have to put up with the unofficial multi-angle version of Budapest if you're aiming for the complete Budapest experience, but sacrificing the quality.

i have the montreal blu ray and the budapest dvd, here in brazil, the blu ray doesn't arrive, and for me, it is the 2 shows most beautiful filmed shows that i see by queen

Check out the review below the 5.1 mix is NOT lossless.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/7807/hungarian_rhapsody_deluxe.html

i saw the you tube clip
and it looked good
as did the clip of Freddie and the band near the acropolis in greece
but on tv it looked crap
how come you tube looks better than tv?

montreal is good on tv though.
i bought the new concert
i will look at it when it arrives

I think Budapest looks much better... more life like. Montreal is sharp, but the colours are a mess at times. It looks cartoon like at times.

The sound on Budapest Blu-Ray is a tad better imo than Montreal, but that's not saying that Montreal is bad.

The vocal harmonies on Budapest are wonderful and clear... especially the pre Bo Rap covers.

I love the playfulness of Freddie on CLTCL too!!!