What influenced what?

The Real Wizard wrote:
If you ask virtually anyone in the world of metal, Sabbath are gods. They paved the way for entire genres of music. Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, Savatage (and by extension the Trans-Siberian Orchestra), Winger, Testament, Opeth, Stratovarius and Apocalyptica would not exist if it were not for Sabbath.

Exactly! Which makes them one of the most influential bands ever. So much that to say early Queen were influenced by heavy metal actually means they were influenced by Black Sabbath. These were synonyms :D
Like I said, general public and some music historians tend to underrate both Black Sabbath and whole trend of heavy metal rock. The Queen definitely underrates it in their quotes; maybe because they turned to a different path later or because of opinion that metal rock direction as such leads nowhere. That’s a shame because it’s such an exciting chapter of music history. These bands are contemporaries. There’s an interesting story underneath, so many questions. Why early Queen sounds so much like Black Sabbath and why years latter Tonni Iommi wants Black Sabbath sound like Queen? Why Sabbath delivered and The Queen needed time to find their way?

Plus, it’s just hilarious to imagine young Queen as a bunch of gothic performers XD

"Plus, it’s just hilarious to imagine young Queen as a bunch of gothic performers"


Queen II wasn't so far off that.

Day dop wrote:

"Plus, it’s just hilarious to imagine young Queen as a bunch of gothic performers"


Queen II wasn't so far off that.

I know XD

Zaza Gabor wrote:

Day dop wrote:

"Plus, it’s just hilarious to imagine young Queen as a bunch of gothic performers"


Queen II wasn't so far off that.

I know XD

Well I guess what I meant was, not like they would be hilariously bad as gothic performers. It’s just the knowledge they were four overall nice well-bred college guys that makes the contrast and abovementioned “XD”

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alkerdkhon wrote:

I had gone through the post. I heard about this one of my friends but not having complete idea regarding this. Could you please produce some more attachments regarding this? Thanks in advance.

Darling, I honestly think people here would love to help and that they have some supply of attachments, too. Could you just DEFINE what exactly you want?

Is it true that Brian had his arm broken once? Did it influence his playing skills?

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1. yes he did
2. i am 100% confident that (even) you can answer that yourself

brENsKi wrote:

1. yes he did
2. i am 100% confident that (even) you can answer that yourself

1. When?
2. Honest, no. There’s that thing that Brian apparently can’t play as fast as speed metal guys (some people around me have been listening to Brian&Eddie Van Halen tracks lately, you know) so I just thought, maybe it’s because of that. Well, I guess I need to know when it happened to be able to tell (even) myself XD

Zaza Gabor wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

1. yes he did
2. i am 100% confident that (even) you can answer that yourself

1. When?
2. Honest, no. There’s that thing that Brian apparently can’t play as fast as speed metal guys (some people around me have been listening to Brian&Eddie Van Halen tracks lately, you know) so I just thought, maybe it’s because of that. Well, I guess I need to know when it happened to be able to tell (even) myself XD

He could probably play faster than he usually does if he wanted to. He just has no reason to, considering, you know, he doesn't play speed metal.

tomchristie22 wrote:


He could probably play faster than he usually does if he wanted to. He just has no reason to, considering, you know, he doesn't play speed metal.

Could he, really? Have you any proof?

Zaza Gabor wrote:Just think: they obviously knew each other. They sound very much alike. How can it be NOT an influence?

How? Simple: if they were both influenced by the same people, which they were.

I'm not denying that Sabbath may have been a strong influence, BTW, I'm simply pointing that knowing each other and sounding alike is not enough to factually state one was an influence on the other.

My brother resembles me more than he resembles our parents. Does it mean I'm his father? No: it means we both have the same father.

Zaza Gabor wrote:

tomchristie22 wrote:


He could probably play faster than he usually does if he wanted to. He just has no reason to, considering, you know, he doesn't play speed metal.

Could he, really? Have you any proof?

The Invisible Man.

He had the chops, but it wasn't his style so he didn't build upon it.

Sebastian wrote:

Zaza Gabor wrote:Just think: they obviously knew each other. They sound very much alike. How can it be NOT an influence?

How? Simple: if they were both influenced by the same people, which they were.

I'm not denying that Sabbath may have been a strong influence, BTW, I'm simply pointing that knowing each other and sounding alike is not enough to factually state one was an influence on the other.

My brother resembles me more than he resembles our parents. Does it mean I'm his father? No: it means we both have the same father.

Well, they all breathed the same musical air in sixties; I guess they have a crowd of same fathers XD

I think I’m rather talking about the influence the stronger has on the weaker. I’d define The Queen as “more flexible” rather than weak but the point is Sabbath were the first to put their bits together and create a strong identity. That’s why I say they were the influence.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Zaza Gabor wrote:

tomchristie22 wrote:


He could probably play faster than he usually does if he wanted to. He just has no reason to, considering, you know, he doesn't play speed metal.

Could he, really? Have you any proof?

The Invisible Man.

He had the chops, but it wasn't his style so he didn't build upon it.

All credits to Brian for this cute speedy solo but the proof isn’t good enough. No serious riffing is needed to play that. What leaves the audience jaw dropped in speed guitar competitions is exactly the left hand technique, the riffing, not how fast you can play one chord.

Seriously, which arm did he break?