Holly2003
Dead on Time maybe? Princes of the Universe? Resurrection?
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Zaza Gabor
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Dead on Time maybe? Princes of the Universe? Resurrection?[/QUOTE]
Couldn’t find Resurrection on YouTube, must be mistyping or smth :-(
Dead on Time might be the most complicated thus far, but still. I don’t find there those big intervals between the lower and the higher note in his speed sequences that suggest about an intricate riff job.
Dead on Time maybe? Princes of the Universe? Resurrection?[/QUOTE]
Couldn’t find Resurrection on YouTube, must be mistyping or smth :-(
Dead on Time might be the most complicated thus far, but still. I don’t find there those big intervals between the lower and the higher note in his speed sequences that suggest about an intricate riff job.
Holly2003
Resurrection is a solo song.
"big intervals between the lower and the higher note in his speed sequences that suggest about an intricate riff job" -- what does that mean exactly?
"big intervals between the lower and the higher note in his speed sequences that suggest about an intricate riff job" -- what does that mean exactly?
john bodega
The key to Brian is that he's meticulous. One can learn one of his bits and play it fine, but unless you keep that idea in your head - meticulous - then it won't necessarily sound right.
I'm as guilty as anyone who covers Brian stuff when it comes to playing the same notes but not really getting it 'right'.
I'm as guilty as anyone who covers Brian stuff when it comes to playing the same notes but not really getting it 'right'.
Zaza Gabor
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
"big intervals between the lower and the higher note in his speed sequences that suggest about an intricate riff job" -- what does that mean exactly?
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There you can see the riff action where those big intervals between notes are involved: in this vid Steve is playing from higher note to lower and then up-down, up-down and all the way back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRioPqAqe4
Actually, closer to the end (after sec 45) he keeps it within each chord a bit, which is similar to what Brian so loves to do :-)
"big intervals between the lower and the higher note in his speed sequences that suggest about an intricate riff job" -- what does that mean exactly?
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There you can see the riff action where those big intervals between notes are involved: in this vid Steve is playing from higher note to lower and then up-down, up-down and all the way back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRioPqAqe4
Actually, closer to the end (after sec 45) he keeps it within each chord a bit, which is similar to what Brian so loves to do :-)
Holly2003
I'm confused: you began talking about speed and asked if Brian could play as fast as speed metalists. Now you're mostly talking about scales. Brian could play fast but he wasn't a shredder because, as he said himself, his brain didn't work that way. He was more interested in melody than playing 30 notes a second.
Steve Vai is amazing, of course. Brian has said he couldn't play like Vai and vice versa. They;re not just being generous to eachother: they're just interested in doing differnet things. On Star Fleet I happen to think Eddie gets the better of that "battle" but Brian plays as fast as Eddie on occasion. I just don;t think he;s very comfortable doing it whereas for Eddie it comes naturally (and sounds great). But as amazing and as fast as he is, Eddie's never composed or played anything like Good Company.
Steve Vai is amazing, of course. Brian has said he couldn't play like Vai and vice versa. They;re not just being generous to eachother: they're just interested in doing differnet things. On Star Fleet I happen to think Eddie gets the better of that "battle" but Brian plays as fast as Eddie on occasion. I just don;t think he;s very comfortable doing it whereas for Eddie it comes naturally (and sounds great). But as amazing and as fast as he is, Eddie's never composed or played anything like Good Company.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Zaza Gabor wrote:[/b]
There you can see the riff action where those big intervals between notes are involved: in this vid Steve is playing from higher note to lower and then up-down, up-down and all the way back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRioPqAqe4
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Right, of course this is technique beyond Brian's scope of playing. But there are guys who could play Vai under the table too. Shawn Lane's speed and precision are unparalleled. And then there are guys like Andy McKee and Tommy Emmanuel - so many great players who have mastered the instrument in so many different ways.
But no single person has ever been able to encompass all of these styles into one. The amount of time required very likely makes it an impossible task. So this is why it's ultimately pointless to imply that certain players are somehow lacking because they didn't do it all.
I'd say the closest thing to a guitarist with excellent chops and composition is Steve Howe. Most guys have one or the other.
Since we're comparing Vai to May, here it is in a nutshell: Vai spent his prime years working on his technique. Brian spent his prime years working on composition and arrangement. Guess who's gonna be remembered 100 years from now?
There you can see the riff action where those big intervals between notes are involved: in this vid Steve is playing from higher note to lower and then up-down, up-down and all the way back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRioPqAqe4
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Right, of course this is technique beyond Brian's scope of playing. But there are guys who could play Vai under the table too. Shawn Lane's speed and precision are unparalleled. And then there are guys like Andy McKee and Tommy Emmanuel - so many great players who have mastered the instrument in so many different ways.
But no single person has ever been able to encompass all of these styles into one. The amount of time required very likely makes it an impossible task. So this is why it's ultimately pointless to imply that certain players are somehow lacking because they didn't do it all.
I'd say the closest thing to a guitarist with excellent chops and composition is Steve Howe. Most guys have one or the other.
Since we're comparing Vai to May, here it is in a nutshell: Vai spent his prime years working on his technique. Brian spent his prime years working on composition and arrangement. Guess who's gonna be remembered 100 years from now?
Zaza Gabor
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
I'm confused: you began talking about speed and asked if Brian could play as fast as speed metalists. Now you're mostly talking about scales. [/QUOTE]
I’d know you will be because I picked Steve Vai XD
I wouldn’t call Vai a shredder, too. He’s way too intelligent :-) Basically, I was just trying to explain what I’m missing in Brian’s technique in those particular solos.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Right, of course this is technique beyond Brian's scope of playing. But there are guys who could play Vai under the table too. [/QUOTE]
Once we are talking about speed metal icons, why not Michael Angelo Batio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Np5HkWS7w
Given that, can you imagine any serious speed metal ambition without doing those scales – FAST, of course?
Certainly, Brian has his own strengths and his guitar brain is precious. The word “meticulous” has been mentioned, and yes, he apparently is until he gets an amazing quality sound. That Invisible Man solo, I don’t think any listener misses shredding here because it sounds just so good.
However, I still don’t get why you guys dislike my “broken arm” theory. This fact is rarely quoted, which makes it interesting; and I don’t think it’s a great big disrespect to wonder if Brian might use his brain to cover up some technique problems. Doing so is not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm confused: you began talking about speed and asked if Brian could play as fast as speed metalists. Now you're mostly talking about scales. [/QUOTE]
I’d know you will be because I picked Steve Vai XD
I wouldn’t call Vai a shredder, too. He’s way too intelligent :-) Basically, I was just trying to explain what I’m missing in Brian’s technique in those particular solos.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Right, of course this is technique beyond Brian's scope of playing. But there are guys who could play Vai under the table too. [/QUOTE]
Once we are talking about speed metal icons, why not Michael Angelo Batio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Np5HkWS7w
Given that, can you imagine any serious speed metal ambition without doing those scales – FAST, of course?
Certainly, Brian has his own strengths and his guitar brain is precious. The word “meticulous” has been mentioned, and yes, he apparently is until he gets an amazing quality sound. That Invisible Man solo, I don’t think any listener misses shredding here because it sounds just so good.
However, I still don’t get why you guys dislike my “broken arm” theory. This fact is rarely quoted, which makes it interesting; and I don’t think it’s a great big disrespect to wonder if Brian might use his brain to cover up some technique problems. Doing so is not necessarily a bad thing.
The Real Wizard
Not sure what you can base the theory on, though.
He's getting older and he's not as agile as he was 20 years ago... that could be the extent of it.
But chops are such a small portion of the bigger picture. Brian's most memorable work isn't about the chops - it's about the quality of composition. He'll still be able to play them when he's 80.
He's getting older and he's not as agile as he was 20 years ago... that could be the extent of it.
But chops are such a small portion of the bigger picture. Brian's most memorable work isn't about the chops - it's about the quality of composition. He'll still be able to play them when he's 80.
john bodega
Guthrie Govan's a monster player. I can't remember any of his songs, but fark he is talented.
Sebastian
[QUOTE]Since we're comparing Vai to May, here it is in a nutshell: Vai spent his prime years working on his technique. Brian spent his prime years working on composition and arrangement. Guess who's gonna be remembered 100 years from now?[/QUOTE]
IMO, both.
Brian's a more successful composer, Steve's a far better guitarist.
IMO, both.
Brian's a more successful composer, Steve's a far better guitarist.
Holly2003
Speed metal has its place of course but 5 mins listening to the Rain Song by Led Zep should be enough to tell anyone that there's absolute beauty in (relative) simplicity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeDylD8dV7U
Zaza Gabor
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE]Since we're comparing Vai to May, here it is in a nutshell: Vai spent his prime years working on his technique. Brian spent his prime years working on composition and arrangement. Guess who's gonna be remembered 100 years from now?[/QUOTE]
IMO, both.
Brian's a more successful composer, Steve's a far better guitarist.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if Steve’s actually ever quoted Brian as an influence. I mean, it’s obvious that he’s treating his harmonies very Brian-ish at times. But has he admitted it’s because of Brian? Or a same father it might be XD
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Not sure what you can base the theory on, though.
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Well, I think I can base it on… nothing XD
I’m not really convinced that that broken arm fact ever took place. Most of the sources ignore it. Certainly it’s not the most important fact about The Queen, but still. Top musicians don’t break their bones every day. It should affect something, the schedule if nothing else. As far as the only widely known schedule breaking health fact about Brian is the hepatitis infection in 1974, I guess I’ll stick to a new theory that the whole “broken arm” thing is an urban legend created on the basis of the same event :-)
However, I’m quite happy with the turn the discussion took, about Brian being Brian because he doesn’t want to be different or because he simply can’t ;-)
[QUOTE]Since we're comparing Vai to May, here it is in a nutshell: Vai spent his prime years working on his technique. Brian spent his prime years working on composition and arrangement. Guess who's gonna be remembered 100 years from now?[/QUOTE]
IMO, both.
Brian's a more successful composer, Steve's a far better guitarist.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if Steve’s actually ever quoted Brian as an influence. I mean, it’s obvious that he’s treating his harmonies very Brian-ish at times. But has he admitted it’s because of Brian? Or a same father it might be XD
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Not sure what you can base the theory on, though.
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Well, I think I can base it on… nothing XD
I’m not really convinced that that broken arm fact ever took place. Most of the sources ignore it. Certainly it’s not the most important fact about The Queen, but still. Top musicians don’t break their bones every day. It should affect something, the schedule if nothing else. As far as the only widely known schedule breaking health fact about Brian is the hepatitis infection in 1974, I guess I’ll stick to a new theory that the whole “broken arm” thing is an urban legend created on the basis of the same event :-)
However, I’m quite happy with the turn the discussion took, about Brian being Brian because he doesn’t want to be different or because he simply can’t ;-)
Sebastian
Steve's indeed cited Brian as an influence, and cited Brian's arrangement of God Save the Queen as an influence for Liberty.
Brian's arm accident is documented on the Making of Smoke on the Water (Rock Aid Armenia), it took place in 1989.
As for who'll be remembered the most ... Madonna and Justin Bieber will probably be far more remembered than both, does it make them better musicians?
Brian's arm accident is documented on the Making of Smoke on the Water (Rock Aid Armenia), it took place in 1989.
As for who'll be remembered the most ... Madonna and Justin Bieber will probably be far more remembered than both, does it make them better musicians?
The Real Wizard
Good point ... unfortunately.