GratefulFan is consumed by hate for everyone who doesn't wholeheartedly agree that religion is great. Anyone who is the least bit critical is a 'bigot'. This is a common way of thinking - particularly amongst the Taliban. GF is giving us all a fantastic example of religious extremism.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
Some militant atheists appear to think they're god. Does that help?[/QUOTE]
Asserting that there is no god is not synonymous with saying they themselves are a god of some sort. In fact, it is a complete logical fallacy since it is impossible for those two assertions to coexist.
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]catqueen wrote:[/b]
I don't remember who made different comments in this thread -- but i still think that it's possible to despise something on the whole and still respect individuals who support that ideology.
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It is indeed possible.
In religion, I see only dark looming shadows. Somehow, others see light. I don’t understand that light. I don’t get it at all. But I don’t have to get it in order to accept it as right for those who do. I’ve said that before and often -
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b] “The two sides may never understand one another, but I’m not sure understanding is as necessary as acceptance – which is often a sticking point. I don’t care what anyone believes or doesn’t believe as long as their belief is not forced upon me.” [/QUOTE]
My comments here, when read through from the beginning, will be quite clear in meaning to most – and will be quite different from what has been presented in the many, long, insult-laced posts directed to me throughout this thread.
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
When I've asked you to care about fairness and fact in the name of my experiences and the experiences of others you've been avoidant, dismissive and flippant.
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You have repeatedly dismissed me and my views in insult-riddled fits of rage then called me out for not replying, sensitively, to your skewed, obnoxious rants about how I am a narrow-minded bigot.
Why would anyone reply to such indefensible nonsense?
In the early pages of this thread, I believed there might be opportunity for some quality conversation and exchange of ideas. Almost immediately you disregarded my views in favor of your own interpretation of them. You arrogantly declared that my experiences, and perceptions thereof, felt “less than forthright” and were “self-serving and suspect” as if you and only you had the authority to determine the integrity of my statements. You labeled me as a heathen, a parasite, contemptible, small, ignorant, poisonous and whatever else you managed to toss into various posts on these many pages. Your behavior throughout has been a clear example of the irrational, fanatical and worrisome intolerance which mirrors much of the outrageous behavior that turned me away from religion in the first place. So you can continue to rant and accuse and stomp your feet in virtual tantrums. Your words and tone are nothing more than a jumble of hatred and hysteria unworthy of this or further response.
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b] “The two sides may never understand one another, but I’m not sure understanding is as necessary as acceptance – which is often a sticking point. I don’t care what anyone believes or doesn’t believe as long as their belief is not forced upon me.” [/QUOTE]
Bigot "Acceptance" for Dummies: advocating for the total irrelevance of religion, and the sooner the better.
GratefulFan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
You have repeatedly dismissed me and my views in insult-riddled fits of rage then called me out for not replying, sensitively, to your skewed, obnoxious rants about how I am a narrow-minded bigot.
Why would anyone reply to such indefensible nonsense?
In the early pages of this thread, I believed there might be opportunity for some quality conversation and exchange of ideas. Almost immediately you disregarded my views in favor of your own interpretation of them. You arrogantly declared that my experiences, and perceptions thereof, felt “less than forthright” and were “self-serving and suspect” as if you and only you had the authority to determine the integrity of my statements. You labeled me as a heathen, a parasite, contemptible, small, ignorant, poisonous and whatever else you managed to toss into various posts on these many pages. Your behavior throughout has been a clear example of the irrational, fanatical and worrisome intolerance which mirrors much of the outrageous behavior that turned me away from religion in the first place. So you can continue to rant and accuse and stomp your feet in virtual tantrums. Your words and tone are nothing more than a jumble of hatred and hysteria unworthy of this or further response.
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Pfffft. If my interpretation was all that was left after that early exchange it was because you "didn't realize you were expected to provide proof of your experiences" when I questioned the facts and logic of your conclusions with a number of clear and fair arguments. That's not my fault. It's also not my fault that all smugged up with your bigot friend Bob you decided not to meaningfully address the equally clear and fair arguments about the Ishtar meme. Those are the only two instances I've called you out for not engaging, ever, and they each preceded the escalation here.
Just to be clear: it's not rage, it's utter disgust. As I've said before religion is in many ways incidental. It was an atheist that first called you a poisonous militant and I'm barely a religious person. We humans are predictable animals and virtually every last one of the QZ 'fights' I've ever gotten into is about the same thing: people abusing power or anonymity or something else to be cruel or abusive or unjust to some other person or people. This is no different, and you're dead right: I'm passionate as all hell about it. You're free to have all the sweeping, indiscrimiate pig-faced views about any group of people you like, but any expectation that you're not going to disgust a few people along the way and hear about it to one degree or another is entirely unreasonable.
My grandmother reminded me of Mary Tyler Moore. Until she turned into a raging hide-the-rye-behind-the-dishsoap alcoholic after my grandfather died when I was 13 she was the perfect hostess, the perfect wife and my perfect Nan. She used to call black people "darkies". Bigots are rarely monsters. They're born of the exact blend of deficit in understanding and surfeit of opinion that you yourself claim.
What we seem to have here is a mutual 'whatever'. Onwards and upwards bigot. A future powered by ThomasQuinn is surely an unlimited one. Good luck with it all.
Saint Jiub · Member since
Grateful Fan -
Why do you hate me because I am atheist, even though I do not denigrate the religious as weak sheep, in need of a crutch, that are incapable of independent thought ? LOL
GratefulFan · Member since
I don't know Panchgani! You have to understand it's all been totally confusing since Osama died. He used to do the org charts and now I have no idea who tells me what to think. I thought it was the Pope, but then he resigned. So then I thought it was Billy Graham however word is he may as well be dead so that just seems unreliable. For a while I was sure it was Gary Busey but apparently those actually *are* pyjamas. It could be Barney because he's purple and awesome and the only one still around from when the earth was created 6000 years ago, but he's only on TV in the morning and I work. So I don't know why I hate you but I just have to. Sorry.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
So, bottom line, everyone in the whole wide world is a bigot and the future is powered by ThomasQuinn. And that took 22 pages?
GratefulFan · Member since
Holy fracking slutty Ishtar! NO! Not everybody's future. Mind you, I did hear that history signed a petition perpetually delegating you to the future. Can't imagine what that was about....
This one interested me because of the quality of extremeness of many of the comments, both on this article and even worse on the articles that covered it in the US. I found the pedophilia angled comments really strange, and yet it was a common theme.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
Holy fracking slutty Ishtar! NO! Not everybody's future. Mind you, I did hear that history signed a petition perpetually delegating you to the future. Can't imagine what that was about....[/QUOTE]
Considering the kind of sources you routinely show up with, I'm not surprised.
Incidentally, jest that takes the form of "I heard that [insert abstraction] ..." is outlawed for everyone beyond 6th grade.
GratefulFan · Member since
Hey speaking of the 6th grade, did your "M.A." supervisor regularly wear a red nose and big floppy shoes?
Saint Jiub · Member since
Trivia Time:
Which QZ'er stated the following on page 3 of this thread?
"I consider 'god' an imaginary being who humans lazily thank or curse, depending on circumstance, because they'd rather give control and responsibility to this magical being than accept it for themselves."
"There are many like myself who see religion as a crutch."
