Just like Rod Stewart dueting with Cee-Lo Green, it's 100% accurate to say it's featuring Roger Taylor even if it's from samples. because it really does feature him and it’s not a lie.
From the top of my head "Ghetto Gospel" (feat. Elton John) is the best example, "written by E. John and T. Shakur" but there are plenty of others.
If it was handled by the record company Roger probably didn't even know.
[QUOTE] [b]emrabt wrote:[/b]
If it was handled by the record company Roger probably didn't even know.
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I did wonder about exactly this. I like puzzles like this. They produce all sorts of interesting questions that lead to new bits of information about things I don't usually think about. Who arranges/approves the use of samples? Who writes press releases and establishes credits? How is the allmusic database maintained? Is Twitter generally useless in trying to get a straight answer out of somebody or is it just Sarina? These things have all come up in this brief discussion and I genuinely think it's great.
Was sufficiently curious about all this to pick up a used copy of the 2004 CD in a batch of recent Amazon purchases, just to see the liner notes. The relevant bit is attached. I included the first song which samples Foreigner's 'Urgent' just out of interest in seeing the difference in the way the songs are credited. Not sure what to chalk that up to, but it's interesting. I googled the phrase "appears courtesy of Queen Productions" and the only other time that appears verbatim relating specifically to a band member is in reference to Brian's participation on a Zucchero project. I don't know what the nature of that project was so not sure if that sheds any light or not.
Now, if any completist out there would like a Celine Dion type CD that features Roger Taylor one way or another, gratis, let me know here.
I'm no expert but i think that would comfirm roger didn't know about it.
It's intresting anyway.
I'm no expert either, but let's use some common sense here.
"contains samples from Urgent" = some sections of this new song feature some samples from this old song, but not all of the song, and not all the time.
"drums: Roger Taylor" = all the drums throughout the whole song are sampled from Roger's work.
"as performed by Foreigner produced under license from Atlantic Recording Corp." = the samples are from a song performed by Foreigner, and the use of these samples has been licensed by Atlantic Recording Corp.
"Roger Taylor appears courtesy of Queen Productions" = Roger Taylor as a guest performer (as sampled from a 1976 Queen recording) needs an approval from the company which owns the original 1976 recording... Since Roger happens to be a director of that company, he himself has approved his own appearance.
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
I'm no expert either, but let's use some common sense here.
"contains samples from Urgent" = some sections of this new song feature some samples from this old song, but not all of the song, and not all the time.
"drums: Roger Taylor" = all the drums throughout the whole song are sampled from Roger's work.[/QUOTE]
I have only a rudimentary ability to separate out the parts of a song as I'm listening, but to my ear the Foreigner guitar line runs under virtually the entire Cherie song very much like it does in 'Urgent'. Could somebody more versed and with a better ear explain how the drums as they relate to STL and the guitar as it relates to Urgent are used differently in these two songs?
The Cherie song with the 'Urgent' sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaHDEvxYtw8
[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
I have only a rudimentary ability to separate out the parts of a song as I'm listening, but to my ear the Foreigner guitar line runs under virtually the entire Cherie song very much like it does in 'Urgent'. Could somebody more versed and with a better ear explain how the drums as they relate to STL and the guitar as it relates to Urgent are used differently in these two songs?
The Cherie song with the 'Urgent' sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaHDEvxYtw8
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The 5-second sample is very clear at the very beginning of the song, but later on it gets buried in with the other music, and it isn't always easy to make out if it's the original sample or not... And there are other bits of guitar as well, which means that not all of it is sampled.
Another difference here is that Roger isn't actually sampled directly from any song, so it would be impossible to clear any sample. My guess is that the legal teams have decided that sampling a separate drum track only equals to a guest appearance of the artists. The only difference here is that the guest bit was recorded decades earlier, and the song built around it... This would of course be analoguous to the sessions of MIH, where Freddie is featured as an artist instead of merely being sampled.
[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
Now, if any completist out there would like a Celine Dion type CD that features Roger Taylor one way or another, gratis, let me know here.
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I'd be willing to bite. Do you want the original cost of the Amazon purchase covered plus postage, or something else arranged? PM me :-)
[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]
The 5-second sample is very clear at the very beginning of the song, but later on it gets buried in with the other music, and it isn't always easy to make out if it's the original sample or not... And there are other bits of guitar as well, which means that not all of it is sampled.
Another difference here is that Roger isn't actually sampled directly from any song, so it would be impossible to clear any sample. My guess is that the legal teams have decided that sampling a separate drum track only equals to a guest appearance of the artists. The only difference here is that the guest bit was recorded decades earlier, and the song built around it... This would of course be analoguous to the sessions of MIH, where Freddie is featured as an artist instead of merely being sampled.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this. I've decided that 'Urgent' kind of sounds like it's sampling itself. So I'm justifying the divergent credits as a reverent nod to some kind of deep metasample process. :) Not knowing the isolated STL drum track terribly intimately I'm not even sure how or if it changed for the Cherie track. So I'll take your word for it on that last part. Still a bit of an unsolved mystery overall, and it remains interesting.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Clearly the drum track is taken from the Somebody To Love stems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4VGN8q7Fyg
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You´re right about this!
The only thing i can think of right now is that this girl Cherie needs to surround herself with people who understand and respect music (sound). To think that this is better than to hire a "real" drumer who can add something fresh tells me that they will ruin this girls career eventually. A potentially good song totally ruined because of bad producers choices. What a shame!
