You would be correct.
There's nothing like putting your fingerprint on someone else's work.
I believe there are laws against that..
The Real Wizard
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GratefulFan
That audio print cracks me up. He's a bright enough boy for that to be a total send up of the last David R. Fuller 'fingerprint' controversy. He said on the blog that he had to do it because 'somebody else might claim they leaked it' and he even set up a 'had to mark it' tag. LOL.
He said he got the track in a trade 'many moons ago'. Does leaking from the convention stuff become an outrage when it's circulating among the elite or does that just happen when the rest of us get to hear it?
He said he got the track in a trade 'many moons ago'. Does leaking from the convention stuff become an outrage when it's circulating among the elite or does that just happen when the rest of us get to hear it?
The Real Wizard
Without needing to resort to labels..
It's a problem when it goes public because they have said time and time again that they will stop playing such recordings in the future if they leak out.
If people are going to pay to go to a fan convention, they want to provide perks that can't be found elsewhere. Making these recordings public makes that privilege all but impossible.
Don't blame the people who recorded it for their own purposes. Blame the people who ignore the warnings for their own short term personal gain.
It's a problem when it goes public because they have said time and time again that they will stop playing such recordings in the future if they leak out.
If people are going to pay to go to a fan convention, they want to provide perks that can't be found elsewhere. Making these recordings public makes that privilege all but impossible.
Don't blame the people who recorded it for their own purposes. Blame the people who ignore the warnings for their own short term personal gain.
GratefulFan
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Without needing to resort to labels..
[/QUOTE]
Laugh. Out. Loud.
Beyond that, the point still remains: if David received this in a trade some time ago, with the track having then presumably benefited traders for an extended period prior to this, there appears to be a certain level of comfort with that relative to any enjoyment by the rest of us. We're just listening. The traders who passed this around were seeking and gaining benefit as well, not just Fuller doing what Fuller does. If you yourself make some kind of distinction tween two levels of public with a separate set of privileges and expectations for each, don't complain about 'labels'.
Without needing to resort to labels..
[/QUOTE]
Laugh. Out. Loud.
Beyond that, the point still remains: if David received this in a trade some time ago, with the track having then presumably benefited traders for an extended period prior to this, there appears to be a certain level of comfort with that relative to any enjoyment by the rest of us. We're just listening. The traders who passed this around were seeking and gaining benefit as well, not just Fuller doing what Fuller does. If you yourself make some kind of distinction tween two levels of public with a separate set of privileges and expectations for each, don't complain about 'labels'.
Holly2003
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[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Without needing to resort to labels..
[/QUOTE]
Laugh. Out. Loud.
Beyond that, the point still remains: if David received this in a trade some time ago, with the track having then presumably benefited traders for an extended period prior to this, there appears to be a certain level of comfort with that relative to any enjoyment by the rest of us. We're just listening. The traders who passed this around were seeking and gaining benefit as well, not just Fuller doing what Fuller does. If you yourself make some kind of distinction tween two levels of public with a separate set of privileges and expectations for each, don't complain about 'labels'.[/QUOTE]
lol! 100% spot on. It takes some major logical and moral contortions to justify why SOME deserve to hear music like this (even though it might be stolen) while the rest of us don't deserve anything (except maybe until the traders have got their pound of flesh out of it).
[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Without needing to resort to labels..
[/QUOTE]
Laugh. Out. Loud.
Beyond that, the point still remains: if David received this in a trade some time ago, with the track having then presumably benefited traders for an extended period prior to this, there appears to be a certain level of comfort with that relative to any enjoyment by the rest of us. We're just listening. The traders who passed this around were seeking and gaining benefit as well, not just Fuller doing what Fuller does. If you yourself make some kind of distinction tween two levels of public with a separate set of privileges and expectations for each, don't complain about 'labels'.[/QUOTE]
lol! 100% spot on. It takes some major logical and moral contortions to justify why SOME deserve to hear music like this (even though it might be stolen) while the rest of us don't deserve anything (except maybe until the traders have got their pound of flesh out of it).
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
If you yourself make some kind of distinction tween two levels of public with a separate set of privileges and expectations for each, don't complain about 'labels'. [/QUOTE]
You're the one doing the labeling here. I'm just explaining what happened without the need to resort to labels and division.
That said - you're welcome to step off your soapbox any time and start collecting too.
...unless you feel like you have a sense of entitlement to every collectible that isn't already in your attic.
Until then, what collectors do is not your business. If it weren't for collectors, the announce section of this forum (and every other music sharing forum) would be 99% more bare than it is today.
Funny it's always people who don't collect who seem to be the experts. How many acetates or film reels have you got again? Was that you at the auction last week in the pink feather hat?
If you yourself make some kind of distinction tween two levels of public with a separate set of privileges and expectations for each, don't complain about 'labels'. [/QUOTE]
You're the one doing the labeling here. I'm just explaining what happened without the need to resort to labels and division.
That said - you're welcome to step off your soapbox any time and start collecting too.
...unless you feel like you have a sense of entitlement to every collectible that isn't already in your attic.
Until then, what collectors do is not your business. If it weren't for collectors, the announce section of this forum (and every other music sharing forum) would be 99% more bare than it is today.
Funny it's always people who don't collect who seem to be the experts. How many acetates or film reels have you got again? Was that you at the auction last week in the pink feather hat?
Holly2003
Same tired old nonsense wiz. Very disappointing from you.
If it's no one's business except the collecting clique, please keep ALL your petty arguments off the forum. Collectors don't own Queenzone: you are guests here like everyone else and you don't make the rules.
If it's no one's business except the collecting clique, please keep ALL your petty arguments off the forum. Collectors don't own Queenzone: you are guests here like everyone else and you don't make the rules.
The Real Wizard
Well at least I have some consistency :-)
I'll just never understand why people who aren't collectors feel like they understand how these things work.
It's like people without vaginas with double-digit IQs who feel like they have all the necessary information when voting on legislation related to abortions and birth control.
I'll just never understand why people who aren't collectors feel like they understand how these things work.
It's like people without vaginas with double-digit IQs who feel like they have all the necessary information when voting on legislation related to abortions and birth control.
Holly2003
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[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] Well at least I have some consistency :-)
I'll just never understand why people who aren't collectors feel like they understand how these things work.
It's like people without vaginas with double-digit IQs who feel like they have all the necessary information when voting on legislation related to abortions and birth control.
[/QUOTE]
Because it's condescending. You act like non-collectors are too stupid to understand the rules. In fact,we know exactly how collectors operate -- not least because you keep telling us -- and it's our critique of that system that collectors don't like. Hence the usual "shut up" replies -- albeit not stated quite as bluntly.
[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] Well at least I have some consistency :-)
I'll just never understand why people who aren't collectors feel like they understand how these things work.
It's like people without vaginas with double-digit IQs who feel like they have all the necessary information when voting on legislation related to abortions and birth control.
[/QUOTE]
Because it's condescending. You act like non-collectors are too stupid to understand the rules. In fact,we know exactly how collectors operate -- not least because you keep telling us -- and it's our critique of that system that collectors don't like. Hence the usual "shut up" replies -- albeit not stated quite as bluntly.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
If it's no one; business except the collecting clique, pleae keep ALL your petty arguments off the forum. Collectors don't own Queenzone: you are guests here like everyone else.[/QUOTE]
I quite agree with that. If this forum had moderation and these threads were removed, the discussions wouldn't have to happen in public.
So don't blame me or any other collector. Blame whoever thinks it's a good idea to let fools run rampant.
That said - this is the only music sharing forum I've ever seen where collectors are openly slagged for spending countless hours and dollars on providing music for the community to enjoy. I'm not seeking accolades - I'm just reporting reality for what it is. It is truly disappointing that this is what a fair portion of the Queen community has turned out to be.
If it's no one; business except the collecting clique, pleae keep ALL your petty arguments off the forum. Collectors don't own Queenzone: you are guests here like everyone else.[/QUOTE]
I quite agree with that. If this forum had moderation and these threads were removed, the discussions wouldn't have to happen in public.
So don't blame me or any other collector. Blame whoever thinks it's a good idea to let fools run rampant.
That said - this is the only music sharing forum I've ever seen where collectors are openly slagged for spending countless hours and dollars on providing music for the community to enjoy. I'm not seeking accolades - I'm just reporting reality for what it is. It is truly disappointing that this is what a fair portion of the Queen community has turned out to be.
The Real Wizard
I respect your position, but I disagree. Again - no person who has spent time actively seeking new music would ever come to that position. It only comes from people with absolutely no first hand knowledge or experience.
The only reasonable response when a new piece of music comes is to graciously thank the person who taped, bought, transferred and/or liberated the recording.
To vilify the people who do these things is the most ludicrous thing to do, as it will not encourage these people from wanting to make more music available.
Nobody is looking to get their arse kissed. A simple thanks is all that's needed, as would be the case when any service is provided. When you get your car fixed, you don't tell the mechanic that you're not happy with the way that he and his fellow mechanic friends are able to go out after work for a nice meal with the profits they made. You simply say thanks because they did something for you that you couldn't do yourself.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the announce section of the forum has been pretty quiet for about the last year?
The only reasonable response when a new piece of music comes is to graciously thank the person who taped, bought, transferred and/or liberated the recording.
To vilify the people who do these things is the most ludicrous thing to do, as it will not encourage these people from wanting to make more music available.
Nobody is looking to get their arse kissed. A simple thanks is all that's needed, as would be the case when any service is provided. When you get your car fixed, you don't tell the mechanic that you're not happy with the way that he and his fellow mechanic friends are able to go out after work for a nice meal with the profits they made. You simply say thanks because they did something for you that you couldn't do yourself.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the announce section of the forum has been pretty quiet for about the last year?
The Real Wizard
And I must wonder - how is this very discussion improving the quality of this place?
What are you seeking to accomplish?
What would be your ideal state for this place to be in?
What are you seeking to accomplish?
What would be your ideal state for this place to be in?
Holly2003
[QUOTE]
[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] I respect your position, but I disagree. Again - no person who has spent time actively seeking new music would ever come to that position. It only comes from people with absolutely no first hand knowledge or experience.
The only reasonable response when a new piece of music comes is to graciously thank the person who taped, bought, transferred and/or liberated the recording.
To vilify the people who do these things is the most ludicrous thing to do, as it will not encourage these people from wanting to make more music available.
Nobody is looking to get their arse kissed. A simple thanks is all that's needed, as would be the case when any service is provided. When you get your car fixed, you don't tell the mechanic that you're not happy with the way that he and his fellow mechanic friends are able to go out after work for a nice meal with the profits they made. You simply say thanks because they did something for you that you couldn't do yourself.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the announce section of the forum has been pretty quiet for about the last year?[/QUOTE]
That's hilarious. Did you "graciously thank" the guy who shared the RT recording on this thread? Did you "graciously thank" the guy show shared the KYA acetate? Like fuck you did! You gave him a bollocking for letting it get out to us undeserving masses! Seriously, don't you see how bizarre your own logic is?
Now we've gone through all these arguments before: you are about to tell me that the trading model means stuff like the above shouldn't be shared because it means less stuff will be shared in future (oh and the sharing forum will be quieter). As if that's a natural state of affairs like night follows day rather than choice -- you guys simply punishing eachother and us out of pettiness and revenge. Your model went out of date a decade ago when we enetered the digital age. You just haven't realised it yet. A new trading model might be for all of you to release what you have. Then there will be much less traded privately and therefore little incentive to keep hoarding. Now that might happen if all of you genuinely were interested in the Queen community as a whole hearing all of these rarities. But, like all collectors, there is of course a selfish "me, me" aspect to it: an items "value" comes from you having access or owning it and no one else (-- or at least only a few others "in the know"). As you have stated clearly on numerous occasions, we get your discards, when all trading value has been exhausted. And yet you guys DO want thanks and ass kissing for this, again as evidence from your own mouth indicates. Even when people do say thanks it's never enough and now we're not even allowed to talk about it. Read your comments above and in the sharing section if you don't believe me.
Nothing personal Bob. Believe it or not I can see where you're coming from, I just think you've got a very narrow perspective about this particular issue.
[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] I respect your position, but I disagree. Again - no person who has spent time actively seeking new music would ever come to that position. It only comes from people with absolutely no first hand knowledge or experience.
The only reasonable response when a new piece of music comes is to graciously thank the person who taped, bought, transferred and/or liberated the recording.
To vilify the people who do these things is the most ludicrous thing to do, as it will not encourage these people from wanting to make more music available.
Nobody is looking to get their arse kissed. A simple thanks is all that's needed, as would be the case when any service is provided. When you get your car fixed, you don't tell the mechanic that you're not happy with the way that he and his fellow mechanic friends are able to go out after work for a nice meal with the profits they made. You simply say thanks because they did something for you that you couldn't do yourself.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the announce section of the forum has been pretty quiet for about the last year?[/QUOTE]
That's hilarious. Did you "graciously thank" the guy who shared the RT recording on this thread? Did you "graciously thank" the guy show shared the KYA acetate? Like fuck you did! You gave him a bollocking for letting it get out to us undeserving masses! Seriously, don't you see how bizarre your own logic is?
Now we've gone through all these arguments before: you are about to tell me that the trading model means stuff like the above shouldn't be shared because it means less stuff will be shared in future (oh and the sharing forum will be quieter). As if that's a natural state of affairs like night follows day rather than choice -- you guys simply punishing eachother and us out of pettiness and revenge. Your model went out of date a decade ago when we enetered the digital age. You just haven't realised it yet. A new trading model might be for all of you to release what you have. Then there will be much less traded privately and therefore little incentive to keep hoarding. Now that might happen if all of you genuinely were interested in the Queen community as a whole hearing all of these rarities. But, like all collectors, there is of course a selfish "me, me" aspect to it: an items "value" comes from you having access or owning it and no one else (-- or at least only a few others "in the know"). As you have stated clearly on numerous occasions, we get your discards, when all trading value has been exhausted. And yet you guys DO want thanks and ass kissing for this, again as evidence from your own mouth indicates. Even when people do say thanks it's never enough and now we're not even allowed to talk about it. Read your comments above and in the sharing section if you don't believe me.
Nothing personal Bob. Believe it or not I can see where you're coming from, I just think you've got a very narrow perspective about this particular issue.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
That's hilarious. Did you "graciously thank" the guy who shared the RT recording on this thread? Did you "graciously thank" the guy show shared the KYA acetate?[/QUOTE]
Why would I thank someone for things I already have?
[QUOTE]Your model went out of date a decade ago when we enetered the digital age.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you share all your rarities that you've acquired by other means and effectively prove that the current model is no longer viable?
[QUOTE]As you have stated clearly on numerous occasions, we get your discards, when all trading value has been exhausted.[/QUOTE]
If you think this is a problem, then let's change roles. You do the work and share everything you accumulate. As soon as you do that, I'll graciously thank you and apologize for how wrong I've been for all these years.
That's hilarious. Did you "graciously thank" the guy who shared the RT recording on this thread? Did you "graciously thank" the guy show shared the KYA acetate?[/QUOTE]
Why would I thank someone for things I already have?
[QUOTE]Your model went out of date a decade ago when we enetered the digital age.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you share all your rarities that you've acquired by other means and effectively prove that the current model is no longer viable?
[QUOTE]As you have stated clearly on numerous occasions, we get your discards, when all trading value has been exhausted.[/QUOTE]
If you think this is a problem, then let's change roles. You do the work and share everything you accumulate. As soon as you do that, I'll graciously thank you and apologize for how wrong I've been for all these years.
Holly2003
[QUOTE]
[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
That's hilarious. Did you "graciously thank" the guy who shared the RT recording on this thread? Did you "graciously thank" the guy show shared the KYA acetate?[/QUOTE]
Why would I thank someone for things I already have?
[QUOTE]Your model went out of date a decade ago when we enetered the digital age.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you share all your rarities that you've acquired by other means and effectively prove that the current model is no longer viable?
[QUOTE]As you have stated clearly on numerous occasions, we get your discards, when all trading value has been exhausted.[/QUOTE]
If you think this is a problem, then let's change roles. You do the work and share everything you accumulate. As soon as you do that, I'll graciously thank you and apologize for how wrong I've been for all these years.[/QUOTE]
A pointless and nonsensical response which doesn't address what I said.
[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
That's hilarious. Did you "graciously thank" the guy who shared the RT recording on this thread? Did you "graciously thank" the guy show shared the KYA acetate?[/QUOTE]
Why would I thank someone for things I already have?
[QUOTE]Your model went out of date a decade ago when we enetered the digital age.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you share all your rarities that you've acquired by other means and effectively prove that the current model is no longer viable?
[QUOTE]As you have stated clearly on numerous occasions, we get your discards, when all trading value has been exhausted.[/QUOTE]
If you think this is a problem, then let's change roles. You do the work and share everything you accumulate. As soon as you do that, I'll graciously thank you and apologize for how wrong I've been for all these years.[/QUOTE]
A pointless and nonsensical response which doesn't address what I said.