Selling Queen demos ?

Why is it ok for this website to share unofficial stuff but not officially released material? Isn't the material in question just the same? Queen are not losing out on potential income from this stuff because it hasn't been officially released so there are no earnings to be lost. Is it the same principle?

Genuine curiosity? If DRF was giving this stuff away would we all be happy or is it just making certain people angry because he is selling it?

Devils advocate......

Remind me again when it was I supposedly claimed you did something illegal?

You keep denying something no one here afaik has accused you of.

As I said, if collectors have done nothing wrong then they don't have anything to worry about. But I suspect (and that's all it is) given the nature of some of the material that's leaked out over the years, *some* collectors might be a bit concerned that Fuller might draw the attention of the authorities. I'll bet he knows where a few of the bodies are buried (metaphorically speaking, of course). And, of course, bringing in the law is often using a very big hammer to crack a small nut. There's usually collateral damage. Guess we'll never know though as all of this will be done off Queenzone -- and off Queenzone is the best place for it

Repetition - Not a deletaion!
I have no idea how the same post came up multiple times!

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[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]

Why is it ok for this website to share unofficial stuff but not officially released material? Isn't the material in question just the same? Queen are not losing out on potential income from this stuff because it hasn't been officially released so there are no earnings to be lost. Is it the same principle?

Genuine curiosity? If DRF was giving this stuff away would we all be happy or is it just making certain people angry because he is selling it?

Devils advocate......[/QUOTE]

One: simple answer is that much of this was to end up on the Anthology boxsets.
Imagine if most of the "Beatles Anthology" was illegally distributed before it was officially released? Therefore; Queen are indeed losing potential income (even if Divid Fukker was giving it away for free), and this can run into compensation for hundreds of thousand of dollars world-wide. (Not a fine I would like to pay!).

Second: Queenzone [b]is[/b] monitored. QPL will turn a blind eye to both live concerts/fan mixes and the "perhaps" the odd release.

However, when the Bo Rhap 24 track tapes went up, they were taken down very quickly due to legal reasons. There is only so far one can stretch a point.

Three cheers for Mr. Fuller. He has landed himself (and perhaps) QZ in some very legally choppy waters. I can be very smug, sit back and say; "I told you so..." but some in here think I speak from guile or eletistism rather than from honesty.  
Just think about it for a moment - so how many rarities does it need to hit the market all at the same time to draw the attention of the QPL Legal team?

Personally; I have never showed-off or talked about my many rarites. It was not even I who talk about the "Hangman" acetate disc - I was "ratted" out by another QZ'er if I recall correctly, but when I did answer, I was vilified when I did so!

This is why I no longer contribute to QZ, because there is aways a "smart alex" who wishes to "rip-one-off" or play the "Look at him - has has what we have not" card, when I deserve this just as much because... In reality, there are too many in here who adopt a moral high-ground when they are ignorant of all the relevant facts or information.

Tip for life: Just because you have never left the shire, does not mean life stops at the garden fence - or makes one an expert on the other side.

You want rarites?  Go to Queen auctions - Ebay even, there you will find all the [b]legal[/b] rarities you desire (if you wish to pay for them) but don't sit and cry and playing the sympathy vote because of (whatever excuse come conveniently to hand).

Elitism? Powerhouses? All bull-sh*t terms for those who will not get off their ars*s and expect the world to hand them everything freely on a plate. "For he who works hard - thus cometh his reward!"
(Does anyone else remember the Disney Cartoon "The World owes me a Living"?)

I too desire much. There is a lot of Beatles, Led Zeppelin and Bruce Lee material I do not have and would give my eye-teeth for but hey - no one ever said life was fair.

[PS: edit] However; (and I have no inside knowledge here) but it "seems" some interesting consequences have just kicked off. Perhaps we should all stock up with our long-weekend popcorn stocks?

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Oh boys, Let me hear some rare demos and i'll have fun with that Fuller. Really not a big deal for me. I like it deep.

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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]

As for the legal/illegal thing, pull your troosers up...

Holly; I know you are not female. Likewise you know I don't wear troosers. We Highlander's are made of far sterner stuff!

PS: I think a lot is about to kick off pretty soon - so your wish to keep it all on Queenzone may just come to pass![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]

Please explain how reporting violations of copyright law to the appropriate copyright holders and protecting people from getting ripped off by unscrupulous individuals makes me a "rat"

I think you're quite fucked in the head, you judgmental little bitch. Making unrealistic comparisons like that...GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Maybe you should move to Alberta. You'd fit in just fine with all the other ignorant assholes I have to deal with here on a daily basis. Yup, all the nice little assholes that keep contributing to the depression which I don't speak about that in turn causes me to have suicidal thoughts, who nobody seems to care if I have them or not.

Oh and a happy easter to you too.[/QUOTE]

Good God Richard, get a grip. If you're happy to live in your head as a bold defender of truth and copyright don't let me interrupt that. I'll stay down here on earth however where it pretty much starts and ends in this situation with you working out your Fuller hatred by being a peevish and now whiney email scribbling snitch. If you see this as a tool's tool to fight the scourge of people hearing music, have at it. But plan to turn off at least some part of the population in the process.

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Vindictive much, Holly2003?[/QUOTE]

Are there dictionaries in Alberta or do y'all just pull random words out of big hats? "Vindictive". Jesus.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b] [QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b] Vindictive much, Holly2003?[/QUOTE] Are there dictionaries in Alberta or do y'all just pull random words out of big hats? "Vindictive". Jesus. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you may know your way around the dictionary (since apparently I don't, according to you), but you haven't got a clue about anyone's viewpoint but your own

Anyways getting back to the issue of copyrights and selling MP3's, here's an interesting article I found about a federal ruling made last year in the U.S. that I was completely unaware of until now: http://www.inquisitr.com/191781/used-mp3-music-files-legal-to-sell-says-federal-judge/ [QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Inquisitr wrote:[/QUOTENAME] According to a federal judge, MP3 files are legal to sell if the person selling them, bought them. This is after Capitol Records wanted to shut down a used MP3 store which the record company deemed not legal to do.[/QUOTE] I think it can be said with certainty, and with backing from JSS' statements on the matter, that Fuller did not pay for nearly all the files he was offering on his list. And this was definitely grounds enough to get his page shut down for that reason as quoted above. Sure helps when people do their research sometimes, eh? ;-)

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[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]

Why is it ok for this website to share unofficial stuff but not officially released material? Isn't the material in question just the same? Queen are not losing out on potential income from this stuff because it hasn't been officially released so there are no earnings to be lost. Is it the same principle?

Genuine curiosity? If DRF was giving this stuff away would we all be happy or is it just making certain people angry because he is selling it?

Devils advocate......[/QUOTE]


It was not even I who talk about the "Hangman" acetate disc - I was "ratted" out by another QZ'er



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Thats IF you have it of course ;-)