[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Nobody gives a fuck about Al Capone, when will you FINALLY understand it ? You STILL haven't been in your psychiatrist's office, have you ? You honestly need it[/QUOTE]
Please if you have nothing constructive to say and are not interested at all as you say,act like it, by not showing ANY interest.
You sound like a psychopath by the way.
[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Wiley wrote:[/b]
GT, I was joking. Like someone else said above me the topic starter, which I'm 90% sure it's the same Mr. Kapone, has multiple user names and is probably the author of the blog mentioned above. He is "campaigning" (yeah, right) for this nobody to play Freddie in the biopic.
I agree with you on the avoiding a Freddie clone and enjoyed the Queen and Paul Rodgers gigs in 2005 and 2006. I traveled from Mexico to Europe to see them four times, then to San Diego for a fitfth and I enjoyed it a lot.
Still, on the Freddie clone front, I wouldn't mind them doing a one-off with a certain Mr. Martel. ;) Nothing too fancy, like a convention or something and avoid the "Queen+" moniker, which has slowly become a joke.[/QUOTE]
Freddie was once a nobody,
So be grateful for them. mr Cowell!
Freddie is famous enough in his own right, so as not to have the need to be portrayed by a famous bad actor.
Or do you think he would want to assisinate his own character spoil his own fame image by being lampooned by a man who cannot act and give Freddie no chance of having his life story taken seriously? You think he would allow his own self to be handled by such a bunch of amateur to hack into his fame for money????? Ad treat his life's work as a effing joke?!!!!
Or do you think he was a damn fool and agree to it?use your brain !
He would much prefer to be wonderfully portrayed by an unknown superstar like Jeremy Kapone, than a well known 42year old ever ageing comedian .
He would make damn sure he found someone who can act,
and he would would not want himself portrayed as a pantomime character who was not a serious musician, but just an object of amusement , as both the sacha baron Cohen and the Kenny everett appallingly surface stereotypical Freddie's they both are.
“When I’m dead, I want to be remembered as a musician of some worth and substance.” Freddie Mercury
If it were possible to destroy that remembrance how would you do it? For a start you would make a biopic and have a idiot who cant dramatically act portray him as an unserious stereotypical bad lookalike version of his stage face , just interested in camping it up and being "outrageous" or "shocking" who wasn't good enough to even perform that shallow one dimensional face to a acting standard worthy of the man.or do you think a bad actor could emulate such wit and untouchable stage craft?
No!!!!!!!!they cannot!!!!
And you would have Borat going round doing interviews saying he is taking singing lessons to sing as Freddie mercury and not stop him!!![/QUOTE]
I agree, really, why isn't everyone concerned about the unofficial sequel of Borat trivializing and destroying the dignity of Freddie Mercury's memory? Just knowing it will end with the Live Aid performance as opposed to the last years or being set in the classic period (including NOTW) and Cohen was cast is enough to ring the alarm bells. Cohen can't sing as in an youtube cover, dubbing isn't any easier especially if he sounds like a jackass when talking, he isn't a real character actor and doesn't take the role seriously, so it's obvious he was intended to convey the raunchy traits, just enthusiastically embracing the hedonistic lifestyle with a carefree attitude. I'm pretty sure it will have big production and promotional costs and it will turn out a classic example of a box office bomb.
[QUOTE] [b]TenementFunster91 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Wiley wrote:[/b]
GT, I was joking. Like someone else said above me the topic starter, which I'm 90% sure it's the same Mr. Kapone, has multiple user names and is probably the author of the blog mentioned above. He is "campaigning" (yeah, right) for this nobody to play Freddie in the biopic.
I agree with you on the avoiding a Freddie clone and enjoyed the Queen and Paul Rodgers gigs in 2005 and 2006. I traveled from Mexico to Europe to see them four times, then to San Diego for a fitfth and I enjoyed it a lot.
Still, on the Freddie clone front, I wouldn't mind them doing a one-off with a certain Mr. Martel. ;) Nothing too fancy, like a convention or something and avoid the "Queen+" moniker, which has slowly become a joke.[/QUOTE]
Freddie was once a nobody,
So be grateful for them. mr Cowell!
Freddie is famous enough in his own right, so as not to have the need to be portrayed by a famous bad actor.
Or do you think he would want to assisinate his own character spoil his own fame image by being lampooned by a man who cannot act and give Freddie no chance of having his life story taken seriously? You think he would allow his own self to be handled by such a bunch of amateur to hack into his fame for money????? Ad treat his life's work as a effing joke?!!!!
Or do you think he was a damn fool and agree to it?use your brain !
He would much prefer to be wonderfully portrayed by an unknown superstar like Jeremy Kapone, than a well known 42year old ever ageing comedian .
He would make damn sure he found someone who can act,
and he would would not want himself portrayed as a pantomime character who was not a serious musician, but just an object of amusement , as both the sacha baron Cohen and the Kenny everett appallingly surface stereotypical Freddie's they both are.
“When I’m dead, I want to be remembered as a musician of some worth and substance.” Freddie Mercury
If it were possible to destroy that remembrance how would you do it? For a start you would make a biopic and have a idiot who cant dramatically act portray him as an unserious stereotypical bad lookalike version of his stage face , just interested in camping it up and being "outrageous" or "shocking" who wasn't good enough to even perform that shallow one dimensional face to a acting standard worthy of the man.or do you think a bad actor could emulate such wit and untouchable stage craft?
No!!!!!!!!they cannot!!!!
And you would have Borat going round doing interviews saying he is taking singing lessons to sing as Freddie mercury and not stop him!!![/QUOTE]
I agree, really, why isn't everyone concerned about the unofficial sequel of Borat trivializing and destroying the dignity of Freddie Mercury's memory? Just knowing it will end with the Live Aid performance as opposed to the last years or being set in the classic period (including NOTW) and Cohen was cast is enough to ring the alarm bells. Cohen can't sing as in an youtube cover, dubbing isn't any easier especially if he sounds like a jackass when talking, he isn't a real character actor and doesn't take the role seriously, so it's obvious he was intended to convey the raunchy traits, just enthusiastically embracing the hedonistic lifestyle with a carefree attitude. I'm pretty sure it will have big production and promotional costs and it will turn out a classic example of a box office bomb.[/QUOTE]
Kapone can portray that raunchiness better, and will look raunchy on the stage parts also, and I think. They must show early Freddie when his image was more rock and his stage costume and stage persona was at it's most dangerous , exciting , and made him.
Only Kapone is able to emulate that early 70's hard look, neither Cohen 42 or the public school caricature Everett Freddie looks the right body or face for that true 70's Freddie, after all, the 70's Freddie is the only reason for the 80's Freddie having any impact.
And the general public know that 70,s Freddie most in actual fact, as they choose bohemian rhapsody as the best song of all time, and Freddie at that time was electric on stage, it is queens most groundbreaking period if you think about it, I mean if you took away the whole 70's period of both music and image and only left the real 80,especially say the magic years , then you do. A real disservice to queen as a whole who's lead man had the image,.
so you really lose everything that really made queen famous.
Freddie and queen were only received at live aid like they were because of their history of music and persona of the 1970's era , when they conquered the world.
and the 70's was also the reason they conquered other territories later in those early 80's , like the new world , South America and eastern block,
it was that 70's period both musically and artistic image that was the capturing of the imagination by that true rock image of queen at the time, that people new to them caught later looking back
it is not just the music it is image and queens 70's image is so unique and mysterious and dark and beautifully eccentric that is stands out miles above the rest on any rock band anywhere on earth at the time.
and is greater than bowie , in the respect that bowie did like two years each in different characters, and only 1 of was really that impact-full, whereas queen was queen, long hair for a long time then a bit shorter yes, but still that costume and stage act was amazing right upto the end of the 70's.
Freddie and queen was amazing in the 80's stage of course but I am talking about a period that is theirs both musically and artistically , they were revolutionary.
the 70's,
That is when people really got to know Freddie mercury and queen.
Even if they don't know that now, because of the over hype of moustaches which was worn when they received the life achievement and coronation infront of the world at live aid , which was infact due to their hard decades work during the seventies.
Freddie would not want to be remembered for a few bits of hair above his lip, no matter how much he liked wearing them.
Why do people get so wound up about these things.
It's only a bloody moustache.!
It's only a bloody moustaches
i know the whole world is secretly on my side, including Brian and Roger and even John and Sacha ,De Niro ET all
rofl
i just hope Jeremy is!
I meant Cohen was cast because it fits with the superficial image purposed to transmit, as perceived by the tabloids of the time and the ending was chosen to avoid having to delve into his inner psyche and explain Freddie's motives and feelings.
I have no doubt Brian, Roger and John must be disappointed, got no clue what's going on, how it came to this.
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[b]TenementFunster91 wrote: [/b] I meant Cohen was cast because it fits with the superficial image purposed to transmit, as perceived by the tabloids of the time and the ending was chosen to avoid having to delve into his inner psyche and explain Freddie's motives and feelings.
I have no doubt Brian, Roger and John must be disappointed, got no clue what's going on, how it came to this.[/QUOTE]
The thing is though as the story went and I read it in a article, it was explained how it all came about,
seemingly sacha tweeted he was going to play Freddie, like sacha does, he just did it,
then his agent responded saying it was not ttrue then some communication happened between Sacha's people and queen themselves who said ok then.
that is the basic story I read about how it transpired.
and sacha does not look anything like Freddie if you compare him facially and are honest.
but even if he did or anyone thinks he does, to me it is not important, even if he was Freddie's twin because the main thing is, the ability to act in a drama, he just cannot act bbelievably enough to hold the movie together, he just does not have that , he has an acting talent yes, but it always the unreal, it can never be seen or come over as actual reality based characters.
His great hero is PEter SEllers you know?
and in some respects sacha s acting style is similar to sellers in that sellers always played the loony amongst the sane if you look at his movies, he is always playing a unreal goofy type of characters he only exception is a strong caricature of a down to earth type which is in I'm alright jack where he played a trades union man down to earth but still slightly over the top that I suppose is equal to Sacha's Hugo in the normal respect for that's the closest to normal sacha has played but it was still cartoon and in my book a very bad performance in that is was not a straight performer as it was hinted as- afterwards,. It wasn't until being there a great film by the way and a great performance by sellers, that he was thought of being capable of a serious role in a more straight part, but in exactly the same way Sacha's comedic talents whith such great characterisation in Borat that people are kinda thrown and tricked into thinking it equates to an ability to play straight dramatic rroles because as with sellers they have been thrown by sacha, because in being there, sellers was not playing anything different than he had always done because chancy is completely unreal and goofy, it is only everyone's serious reactions around him that make him look like a straight role.
but chancy isn't a straight acting role it is the most out there crazy unreal character EVER!
freddies out there ness if you want to equate it too that was his ppersonality it was based up his words his expressions his personality that requires an acting ability to emulate that, it does not require the kind of deep inner crazy world that sacha is best at emulating, like chancy being
off planet.that is where sacha is best
Completely separate from everyone
There is no real relationship connection in sacha performances he does not connect with others
He needs others only to show how he is not them.
This is how he stands out , and it is the only way he an because he cannot build up a story by relating to others in relationship, one character to another building up on each other telling the story the interaction the response the progress as you go on because he can't
He cannot act is the reason
He an only stand out by acting in another realm of reality totally divorced from the steady flow of narrative reality in whatever he is appearing in, that is not acting it is grandstanding and is not conducive to portraying real personality.
Freddie's otherness was based upon personality it was not based upon waiting for others to react to him, that is what sacha does he waits for others to react to his complete lunacy, Freddie was unique in taste and emotion his reactions were full blooded he was not a dumb mannequin which is what Borat was and is what Hugo was demonstrated by a bad leg and wooden delivery over and over the same monotony and dead stare.
Freddie was full passion and fire , full blooded human personality on fire, exotic yes, other yes , considered tasteful , fiery yes
but also then turning to withdrawn shyness and hurt sometimes Emotional!!!!
based upon a beating heart ! And an intelligent quick working brain that was fully aware of the people and things going on and said around and to him. That beating heart and brain informed the flamboyancy
The flamboyacny was not informed by a movment a steryiotypical stance it was informed by a brain a living human being not a caricature
that real human inside is what is needed to show not the outward but the inside life and mind, in oder to not turn the performance into just outward caricature like the borat's of this world or the young Freddie in the everett thing
They are Crass empty hollow shallow performances that do not contain a real human being behind them they are caricatures they ave surface but no heart and the surface doesn't seem real because the inside reference is only to the outside there is no heart no sense of character that bears any resemblance to normal flesh and blood humans
There is no diversity in them just a wooden prop that has no variation it is standard it has no life to it
Caricature through and through mechanical
In Jeremy's comedy video where he pretends to be his own bands manager he actually showed far more range and depth in a two minute video performance of his camp manager than that kenny everet fat beer belly Freddie and Borat ever did in their time on screen. Borat is completely repetitive in its visual of borat's body , his mind always on the same same wave and that Lenny Everett Freddie is the same , there is nothing there only caricature
Contrast that to Kapone'stwo minute made up camp persona, he has far more going on , more variety of expression, actuality of character and in movements bodilyand expressions facially
He has a soul and personality and for all his little screen time gives massive impact with a very memorable persona Jeremy created off the top of his head!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVHS_lrRax0
Freddie was Sensitive in every aspect of the word to real life
He was not off on some other plant even though his tastes made him seem like that or his jokes deliberately twisted by spiteful journalists
It requires acting my dear!
not a dead delivery that falls over on one wooden leg for a laugh , not sacha baron Cohen not Borat, not a moustache
But acting my dear and good young skin and body
And acting above all acting!
Another recent picture of Jeremy
Looks like Freddie
Here jaw line masculine look
Seemingly Jeremy had buck teeth as a child
I can't verify if this is accurate though but I found this picture purporting to be him as a child
This picture reminded me of Freddie
The way the hand is held
TenementFunster91 wrote: I meant Cohen was cast because it fits with the superficial image purposed to transmit, as perceived by the tabloids of the time and the ending was chosen to avoid having to delve into his inner psyche and explain Freddie's motives and feelings.
I have no doubt Brian, Roger and John must be disappointed, got no clue what's going on, how it came to this.
Yes I agree but I don't think it was well thought out
I mean I don't think they thought about it much
Myself at first I didn't
I was just immediately aware he was too old to play a younger Freddie of the main 70 era , as I saw it, to me that is the core of queen, bo Rap and all that, so I started looking for a younger Freddie.
But then I saw sacha in things other than Borat, and saw how he seemed not able to act at all in other things, his Borat character had covered him and the strangeness of the Borat scenario had covered him also, it eing like a reality based satire set in the real world interviewing real people and getting life like reactions all the while he is playing from another universe a unreal one, it tricked me.
But then I saw him in that will Farrell car movie, Bruno and then hugo and the dictator and I could see he couldn't work outside his own creations as other actors do, actors come to a role after reading a script and can become a character ,usually the character is based upon traits of real people an almgimation of various things, and as actors can act they create a believable person moving within the story and it works. Yet I realised sacha cannot do that, his character for example in the dictator, it didn't flow in the same way other comedy actors who have done similar character roles it stood out as amateur and didn't seem at all cinematic in a way that kept the atmosphere of the movie as a movie fiction, it was unsteady jarring and seemed unconvincing. When you bit player co stars are acting better than you there is something up, and there was and is.
Same with Hugo, his performance although looking shiny visually e cause of the set and costume , was a painful thing to watch, and his lie delivery was awful, especially the slow moving forward and then to the face, expressions that just were so unrealistic and unconvincing I was surprised he made the cut at all!
SO SEEING AS QUEEN ADMIRE AND HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER COMEDIANS IN THE PAST
BAD NEWS COMES TO MIND
And I think that is the reason they got entangled
He came onto them
The moustache also and
They like comedy and that was that
But it is totally wrong ,totally a wrong choice
He cannot act , it's that simple.
[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]I can't verify if this is accurate though but I found this picture purporting to be him as a child
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You really are stupid, aren't you? Those "buck teeth" are very obvious prosthetic props! Only an idiot would actually think real average humans have deformed gumlines like that!
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]I can't verify if this is accurate though but I found this picture purporting to be him as a child
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You really are stupid, aren't you? Those "buck teeth" are very obvious prosthetic props! Only an idiot would actually think real average humans have deformed gumlines like that![/QUOTE]
You are probably right.
