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Togg
To throw my thoughts in to this... i would have to say i am disgusted in anyone that feels they should have the right to sell unreleased material obtained by any means other than an official source. Speaking as a musician I can say I would throw every legal measure at them if it happened to me. I have long been very uncomfortable with a number of the 'serious' collectors here that profit from selling this stuff.
Collecting is one thing, but selling is another. if they were collecting stolen paintings and selling them they would be thrown in jail...simple, just because it's a recording makes no difference to crime.
Collecting is one thing, but selling is another. if they were collecting stolen paintings and selling them they would be thrown in jail...simple, just because it's a recording makes no difference to crime.
GB: Queen Archivist
[QUOTE] [b]borap13 wrote:[/b]
Greg - if you're going to ask these questions then you should respond to our responses as well.
GB: ok
We were told we'd get a Queen box of rarities years ago. In fact, Brian May personally told me (no lie as I'm a journalist) that it was something being worked on.
GB: i've said many times that we've done lots of research preliminary work on it. That doesn't mean it will definitely happen though. It only means we did lots of research preliminary work on it.
Yes it's a shame that we have to hear these first on YouTube because most of us would gladly pay for them.
GB: I agree.
But I see why Fuller does it.
GB: He was SELLING stolen property to other Queen fans for financial gain. That's as LOW as it gets.
Queen fans have been waiting and waiting for these rarities and are told they're being worked on then we hear nothing.
GB: So that makes Fullers' antics ok does it?
So he's releasing them because he's filling a need.
GB: He's releasing them, SELLING them, because he's a lowlife greedy no-morals rip-off merchant... posing as a Do-Good Queen fan. And you have fallen for it. I bet he loves people like you. You probably pay his mortgage and for his holidays.
Bottom line - are they coming out?
GB: Your guess as good as mine. Probably yes, one day.
We got the Freddie box which featured stuff he likely didn't want released. Why not Queen stuff?
GB: You know very well why not. Don't ask silly questions you already know the answer to. I've answered this a hundred times. Nothing has changed borap13.
And where's the Freddie - Michael Jackson stuff stand?
GB: awaiting a suitable event to coincide with. Not within my control. May be sooner than you think!
Thanks for your time[/QUOTE]
GB: ok
Greg - if you're going to ask these questions then you should respond to our responses as well.
GB: ok
We were told we'd get a Queen box of rarities years ago. In fact, Brian May personally told me (no lie as I'm a journalist) that it was something being worked on.
GB: i've said many times that we've done lots of research preliminary work on it. That doesn't mean it will definitely happen though. It only means we did lots of research preliminary work on it.
Yes it's a shame that we have to hear these first on YouTube because most of us would gladly pay for them.
GB: I agree.
But I see why Fuller does it.
GB: He was SELLING stolen property to other Queen fans for financial gain. That's as LOW as it gets.
Queen fans have been waiting and waiting for these rarities and are told they're being worked on then we hear nothing.
GB: So that makes Fullers' antics ok does it?
So he's releasing them because he's filling a need.
GB: He's releasing them, SELLING them, because he's a lowlife greedy no-morals rip-off merchant... posing as a Do-Good Queen fan. And you have fallen for it. I bet he loves people like you. You probably pay his mortgage and for his holidays.
Bottom line - are they coming out?
GB: Your guess as good as mine. Probably yes, one day.
We got the Freddie box which featured stuff he likely didn't want released. Why not Queen stuff?
GB: You know very well why not. Don't ask silly questions you already know the answer to. I've answered this a hundred times. Nothing has changed borap13.
And where's the Freddie - Michael Jackson stuff stand?
GB: awaiting a suitable event to coincide with. Not within my control. May be sooner than you think!
Thanks for your time[/QUOTE]
GB: ok
inu-liger
[QUOTE] [b]GB: Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]
Queen fans have been waiting and waiting for these rarities and are told they're being worked on then we hear nothing.
GB: So that makes Fullers' antics ok does it?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't. However, what's not OK on the flipside is the many lies, inconsistencies and deliberately vague scraps fed to the fans by QPL post-1991.
The hype factor of QPL's press releases in the last few years have also added fuel to the fire, again promising things in various manners that they don't deliver on.
Of course, some of these things were partly ignited by incorrect stories reported by the official fan club through their newsletters over the year, which doesn't help as it creates confusion over what "news" came directly from QPL or not.
I know this does not directly apply to you, but I am trying to put some perspective into this matter that you can understand. After all, haven't you proclaimed yourself many times to also be a "fan" of the band?? :-)
shamar
[QUOTE] [b]GB: Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]
... in relation to David R Fuller selling what are effectively stolen rare Queen (officially unreleased) studio out-take recordings, to other Queen fans - to the highest bidder, basically. What a nasty little individual he must be!
[/QUOTE]
Stolen things? Robberers (Coz they sells their copies?) That is how you called die hard fans and collectors,? People who spent their bloody money on bootlegs coz QP don't wanna release these things oifficialy?
Poor QP and band members... It's time re-re-re-re-re-release another "best of..."
[b]ONE MORE THING - "because they are were never intended to be heard."[/b] [b]
Who was selling cheepy, shitty bootlegs on official site? [/b]Ibrahim Mustapha?
Who putted out-takes on ,so called, bonus discs? So bootleg out-takes, from Fuller are "bad and never intended to be heard" but on offcial releases are "good and intended to be heard"?
pathetic.
... in relation to David R Fuller selling what are effectively stolen rare Queen (officially unreleased) studio out-take recordings, to other Queen fans - to the highest bidder, basically. What a nasty little individual he must be!
[/QUOTE]
Stolen things? Robberers (Coz they sells their copies?) That is how you called die hard fans and collectors,? People who spent their bloody money on bootlegs coz QP don't wanna release these things oifficialy?
Poor QP and band members... It's time re-re-re-re-re-release another "best of..."
[b]ONE MORE THING - "because they are were never intended to be heard."[/b] [b]
Who was selling cheepy, shitty bootlegs on official site? [/b]Ibrahim Mustapha?
Who putted out-takes on ,so called, bonus discs? So bootleg out-takes, from Fuller are "bad and never intended to be heard" but on offcial releases are "good and intended to be heard"?
pathetic.
inu-liger
[QUOTE] [b]ONE MORE THING - "because they are were never intended to be heard."[/b] [b]
Who the **** was selling cheepy, shitty bootlegs on official site? [/b]Ibrahim Mustapha?
pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Live bootlegs /= studio bootlegs
QPL have never given as big of a shit so much towards the live bootlegs, so long as they weren't being sold.
Their biggest concern is the STUDIO material, along with home made demos and the like. This was the material Dave R Fuller never had a legal license nor authorization to sell, which is precisely why QPL went after him!
Try understanding the other party's logic next time before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass.
shamar
[QUOTE]
[b]borap13 wrote: [/b] And where's the Freddie - Michael Jackson stuff stand?
[/QUOTE]
They working on it. So U'll hear it... never.
[b]borap13 wrote: [/b] And where's the Freddie - Michael Jackson stuff stand?
[/QUOTE]
They working on it. So U'll hear it... never.
shamar
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
Live bootlegs /= studio bootlegs
(...)
Try understanding the other party's logic next time before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass.[/QUOTE]
So don't have problems with selling are "poor" quality live bootlegs? But have with good quality studio recordings? Coz... what? Coz "it's unfinished"? So what about "4, 5, 11 takes" on bonus discs?
Read whole thing... "before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass".
Live bootlegs /= studio bootlegs
(...)
Try understanding the other party's logic next time before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass.[/QUOTE]
So don't have problems with selling are "poor" quality live bootlegs? But have with good quality studio recordings? Coz... what? Coz "it's unfinished"? So what about "4, 5, 11 takes" on bonus discs?
Read whole thing... "before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass".
inu-liger
[QUOTE] [b]shamar wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
Live bootlegs /= studio bootlegs
(...)
Try understanding the other party's logic next time before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass.[/QUOTE]
So don't have problems with selling are "poor" quality live bootlegs? But have with good quality studio recordings? Coz... what? Coz "it's unfinished"? So what about "4, 5, 11 takes" on bonus discs?
Read whole thing... "before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass".
[/QUOTE]
Let me state for the record, I don't think the Top 100 Bootlegs project was executed very well - never mind it became another project in a string of half assed unfinished projects.
I definitely disagree with the methods that went into it, especially considering that QPL could have put out their own soundboard sources especially for shows where multi-tracks don't exist thus saving them mixing work.
Also, I recall at the time people were complaining that some of the bootlegs sold there were derived from lossy sources resulting in transcoded products, which was definitely another huge fail on QPL's part.
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
Live bootlegs /= studio bootlegs
(...)
Try understanding the other party's logic next time before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass.[/QUOTE]
So don't have problems with selling are "poor" quality live bootlegs? But have with good quality studio recordings? Coz... what? Coz "it's unfinished"? So what about "4, 5, 11 takes" on bonus discs?
Read whole thing... "before you jump the gun and make yourself like like an ass".
[/QUOTE]
Let me state for the record, I don't think the Top 100 Bootlegs project was executed very well - never mind it became another project in a string of half assed unfinished projects.
I definitely disagree with the methods that went into it, especially considering that QPL could have put out their own soundboard sources especially for shows where multi-tracks don't exist thus saving them mixing work.
Also, I recall at the time people were complaining that some of the bootlegs sold there were derived from lossy sources resulting in transcoded products, which was definitely another huge fail on QPL's part.
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Back again
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaveRFuller
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaveRFuller
Saint Jiub
[QUOTE] [b]The Kurgan wrote:[/b]
Back again
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaveRFuller[/QUOTE]
... But everything is free to view, and nothing is for sale.
Back again
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaveRFuller[/QUOTE]
... But everything is free to view, and nothing is for sale.
dysan
Yeah to be fair, I had a nice evening browsing his channel and if anything, would want to track down most of the content if released officially - be it record fairs for old vinyl or issued on an anthology.
One idea I'm not sure has been discussed is an official collection of 'featuring Queen' material. Bowie did a compilation called 'Oh You Pretty Things' that attempted to round up his work as producer and writer with other artists.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/music/dp/B000F8NJWI
Flawed, but a great way to find stuff that ended up on bootleg. I could see a Queen one including recordings with Fox, Ian Hunter, Peter Straker, Eddie H, Eugene Walllace etc.
One idea I'm not sure has been discussed is an official collection of 'featuring Queen' material. Bowie did a compilation called 'Oh You Pretty Things' that attempted to round up his work as producer and writer with other artists.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/music/dp/B000F8NJWI
Flawed, but a great way to find stuff that ended up on bootleg. I could see a Queen one including recordings with Fox, Ian Hunter, Peter Straker, Eddie H, Eugene Walllace etc.
ChillRebel
I SAY CUDO'S TO DAVID R FULLER !!!! WITHOUT HIM WE WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW MUCH OF WHAT HE HAS EXISTED !!! THERE'S "TORRENTS" TO PIRATE QUEEN MATERIAL ON THIS SITE ... WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ....
musicland munich
Fuller will never get his dirty hands on this one !