Margaret Thatcher The Falklands and Queen Tour in South America 1983

I watched the British news this last week regarding the passing of "The Iron Lady", she was cremated today amid much argument in the British media and amongst everyday British citizens in general, quite a hero to some and a villain to others. I cannot recall anyone in recent history who has generated so much divisive debate as to how they will be remembered. Seeing people celebrating her death was a bit much I think, although I am far too young to have experienced her policies.

The Falklands war in 1982 comes to the forefront as one thing she did most people agreed with, unless of course you are Argentinian, or a Queen fan for that matter.

Queen had planned to tour South America in 1983 to Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay in October and November but decided against it because of the Falklands conflict.

Damn you Margaret Thatcher!!! :)

For better or worse RIP, but you still cost us a Tour!!!!

Whatever she may have done, we shouldn't speak ill of the dead.

Why not? Are they going to start haunting us?

Wow... This is in 'serious discussion'

[QUOTE] [b]waunakonor wrote:[/b]

Why not? Are they going to start haunting us?[/QUOTE]

i agree. f*ck her she can't do anything

personally, as someone starting out in work at the time she came to power, i have no difficulty or truck with the decisions she made - they were cold and businesslike and 100% necessary. what i do have issue with is the complete lack of humanity, compassion or even thought for the common man when she delivered her message of privatisation, mine closures and sell-offs....
it was done with all the subtlety and compassion of a paving slab....heartless c*nt

as for queen's decision to not tour argentina in '83? really - a political one was it? if so - if they were so politically minded, why the later tour of sth africa? bollox!!! - they went where the money was

[QUOTE] [b]Marknow wrote:[/b]

I watched the British news this last week regarding the passing of "The Iron Lady", she was cremated today amid much argument in the British media and amongst everyday British citizens in general, quite a hero to some and a villain to others. I cannot recall anyone in recent history who has generated so much divisive debate as to how they will be remembered. Seeing people celebrating her death was a bit much I think, although I am far too young to have experienced her policies.

The Falklands war in 1982 comes to the forefront as one thing she did most people agreed with, unless of course you are Argentinian, or a Queen fan for that matter.

Queen had planned to tour South America in 1983 to Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay in October and November but decided against it because of the Falklands conflict.

Damn you Margaret Thatcher!!! :)

For better or worse RIP, but you still cost us a Tour!!!![/QUOTE]


Hang on a minute. Check your facts.

Queen decided to take 1983 off in view of the fact that they were exhausted and needed 'a break from each other' . Watch Days of our lives doc and hear the words from the band themselves

Also, it wasn't Margaret Thatcher who invaded the Falklands, I think you might want to look a bit closer to home on that front

[QUOTE] [b]ANAGRAMER wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Marknow wrote:[/b]

I watched the British news this last week regarding the passing of "The Iron Lady", she was cremated today amid much argument in the British media and amongst everyday British citizens in general, quite a hero to some and a villain to others. I cannot recall anyone in recent history who has generated so much divisive debate as to how they will be remembered. Seeing people celebrating her death was a bit much I think, although I am far too young to have experienced her policies.

The Falklands war in 1982 comes to the forefront as one thing she did most people agreed with, unless of course you are Argentinian, or a Queen fan for that matter.

Queen had planned to tour South America in 1983 to Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay in October and November but decided against it because of the Falklands conflict.

Damn you Margaret Thatcher!!! :)

For better or worse RIP, but you still cost us a Tour!!!![/QUOTE]


Hang on a minute. Check your facts.

Queen decided to take 1983 off in view of the fact that they were exhausted and needed 'a break from each other' . Watch Days of our lives doc and hear the words from the band themselves

Also, it wasn't Margaret Thatcher who invaded the Falklands, I think you might want to look a bit closer to home on that front

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That's if you are South American!

To the best of my knowledge Queen had no serious plans to tour in that year, they all agreed to put the band on hold for a while, it had nothing to do with the political situation.
Mrs T did what was needed at that time, no country has the right to march into another and take it hostage, she did a brave thing, it was worth it and the Argentine leaders should hang their heads in shame for causing the deaths of 100's of people.
Her politics were tough but it was what this country needed at the time, whilst I wouldnt want to go backwards we could do with a few more MP's with balls like her. i didnt agree with everything she did back then but I respected her, which is more than I can say for pretty much all the MP's now.

Anyone who still believes that what Thatcher did was good for the country evidently never seriously considered her policies. Thatcher is responsible for the most of the problems concerning healthcare and education in Britain, not to mention the impoverished regions, particularly in the north of England. It's like Reagan: conservatives keep screaming how great he was, but they consistently ignore the fact that under Reagan's presidency, the national debt skyrocketed from 997 billion to over 2.6 TRILLION dollars. When, in about forty or fifty years, historians start writing serious and more or less neutral histories of the 20th century with the benefits of hindsight, I am fairly sure that they will condemn Thatcher as one of the worst PM's of the century, particularly for her strict dogmatism, her inability to compromise and her complete and total lack of respect for human beings.

My Father Lost his job due to Thatcher. As a young boy/teen my spending money then stopped (had to cut back on family spending). I could not afford tickets to see a lot of the Queen Gigs I would have loved to go to.

Damn you!!! Mrs. T!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]

Anyone who still believes that what Thatcher did was good for the country evidently never seriously considered her policies. Thatcher is responsible for the most of the problems concerning healthcare and education in Britain, not to mention the impoverished regions, particularly in the north of England. It's like Reagan: conservatives keep screaming how great he was, but they consistently ignore the fact that under Reagan's presidency, the national debt skyrocketed from 997 billion to over 2.6 TRILLION dollars. When, in about forty or fifty years, historians start writing serious and more or less neutral histories of the 20th century with the benefits of hindsight, I am fairly sure that they will condemn Thatcher as one of the worst PM's of the century, particularly for her strict dogmatism, her inability to compromise and her complete and total lack of respect for human beings.[/QUOTE]


You have a good point about her dogmatism but you have to ask yourself what else could she have done given the circumstances she inherited in the late 70s

The country was broke, we were supporting nationalised industries whose customs and practice were choking the country to death

Would you rather have had Michael Foot dealing with Scargill, or the red haired welsh fella whose name escapes me

Not to mention their policies on defence which were laughable, now and then

Someone HAD to grasp the nettle

But, on reflection, a bit of compassion on her part wouldn't have gone amiss.....

[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]

Anyone who still believes that what Thatcher did was good for the country evidently never seriously considered her policies. Thatcher is responsible for the most of the problems concerning healthcare and education in Britain, not to mention the impoverished regions, particularly in the north of England. It's like Reagan: conservatives keep screaming how great he was, but they consistently ignore the fact that under Reagan's presidency, the national debt skyrocketed from 997 billion to over 2.6 TRILLION dollars. When, in about forty or fifty years, historians start writing serious and more or less neutral histories of the 20th century with the benefits of hindsight, I am fairly sure that they will condemn Thatcher as one of the worst PM's of the century, particularly for her strict dogmatism, her inability to compromise and her complete and total lack of respect for human beings.[/QUOTE]


What particular healthcare problems did she cause (out of interest)?

[QUOTE] [b]ANAGRAMER wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]

Anyone who still believes that what Thatcher did was good for the country evidently never seriously considered her policies. Thatcher is responsible for the most of the problems concerning healthcare and education in Britain, not to mention the impoverished regions, particularly in the north of England. It's like Reagan: conservatives keep screaming how great he was, but they consistently ignore the fact that under Reagan's presidency, the national debt skyrocketed from 997 billion to over 2.6 TRILLION dollars. When, in about forty or fifty years, historians start writing serious and more or less neutral histories of the 20th century with the benefits of hindsight, I am fairly sure that they will condemn Thatcher as one of the worst PM's of the century, particularly for her strict dogmatism, her inability to compromise and her complete and total lack of respect for human beings.[/QUOTE]


What particular healthcare problems did she cause (out of interest)?
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In 1988, she started the privatization of the National Healthcare Service, leading to a host of problems that are, by now, endemic throughout Europe - costs for patients rose instead of falling (because the object of healthcare became to make as big a profit as possible with as little cost as possible), the quality of numerous treatments declined, and most of all (which is what I regard as the greatest evil of all) the pressure on General Practitioners rose enormously.

http://www.gponline.com/Opinion/article/1177694/Viewpoint-Thatcher-began-Camerons-bid-privatise-NHS/

Meh, fuck Argentina anyway.

[QUOTE] [b]Lostman wrote:[/b]

Whatever she may have done, we shouldn't speak ill of the dead.[/QUOTE]

I can't think why not. Do you avoid speaking ill of Hitler?

And if it's because of her family well fuck them. Her daughter was sacked by the BBC because she was a racist and the son received a 4 year suspended jail sentence and has difficulty finding countries that will give him a visa.

Thatcher was a vindictive bitch. She espoused anti-gay policies while there was a record of gay teenage suicides in the UK

The people that support her are at best un-educated, at worst out and out selfish bastards.

Camerons lot are no better and the country is headed for some major unrest.