Margaret Thatcher The Falklands and Queen Tour in South America 1983

[QUOTE] [b]splicksplack wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Lostman wrote:[/b]

Whatever she may have done, we shouldn't speak ill of the dead.[/QUOTE]

I can't think why not. Do you avoid speaking ill of Hitler?
Thatcher was a vindictive bitch. She espoused anti-gay policies while there was a record of gay teenage suicides in the UK
Camerons lot are no better and the country is headed for some major unrest.
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right - vindictive bitch she may have been - bu t saying it's ok to trash talk her because we do Hitler is perhaps the worst comparison you could've made

You make a common mistake - that by putting that the universalizing remark "we shouldn't speak ill of the dead" into perspective by naming an example to the contrary that everyone can agree on, namely Hitler, one is in fact equating the person of whom we were originally exhorted not to speak ill of.

As for the topic you are addressing: I think it's perfectly justified to 'trash-talk' her because she never avoided 'trash-talking' (without using obscene language, of course) her opponents. Moreover, I think that anyone who commented on the death of Pinochet by saying the English people have lost a true friend deserves all the trash-talk in the world.

Freddie was secretly entertaining the troops on the good ship lollypop, and stuffing all the cannons with daffodils .

[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]

Freddie was secretly entertaining the troops on the good ship lollypop, and stuffing all the cannons with daffodils .[/QUOTE]

Don't look now, but Obama's behind you to take your guns away.

[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]

Freddie was secretly entertaining the troops on the good ship lollypop, and stuffing all the cannons with daffodils .[/QUOTE]

Don't look now, but Obama's behind you to take your guns away.[/QUOTE]

Is Ignorance really such bliss?

Godwin's Law!

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[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]

Freddie was secretly entertaining the troops on the good ship lollypop, and stuffing all the cannons with daffodils .[/QUOTE]

Don't look now, but Obama's behind you to take your guns away.[/QUOTE]

Is Ignorance really such bliss?

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I don't think so, but you evidently do, considering your deranged posts on QZ.

[QUOTE] [b]waunakonor wrote:[/b]

Godwin's Law!

/thread[/QUOTE]

I really hate it when people draw the Godwin-card. It's not an argument, it's a discussion-killer. When something, anything, is out of bounds for comparison (let's be frank and just call it what it is - a cultural taboo), you are destroying objective inquiry.

It is a misunderstanding that two things must be closely related for a comparison to make sense. When comparing, you are also contrasting. A true, professional, well-conducted comparison of Hitler and Thatcher might reveal very interesting similarities AND differences. For instance, I would be willing to bet that you'd find that both Hitler and Thatcher relied more on theatrics and charisma than on content and policy in getting into office and remaining there.

I was kidding...

[QUOTE] [b]waunakonor wrote:[/b]

I was kidding...[/QUOTE]

I understood that you were not trying to kill the discussion, but I did really want to say this because others suggested the same thing seriously without using the actual words "Godwin's Law".

A right can of worms I have opened...

[QUOTE] [b]Marknow wrote:[/b]

A right can of worms I have opened...[/QUOTE]

Well, if you're going to mention Thatcher you are going to run into...shall we say "conflicting opinions"?

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[b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Marknow wrote:[/b]

A right can of worms I have opened...[/QUOTE]

Well, if you're going to mention Thatcher you are going to run into...shall we say "conflicting opinions"?[/QUOTE]

That's a very diplomatic answer. :)

I should have known what I was getting into....

[b]Togg Wrote[/b] " To the best of my knowledge Queen had no serious plans to tour in 1983"

No serious plans to tour in '83? Here is a concert ticket and poster for the cancelled show in Uruguay in 1983.

http://www.queenconcerts.com/detail/ticket-other/1983-11-23/ticket-for-a-cancelled-concert-montevideo-uruguay-red.html

http://www.queenconcerts.com/detail/poster/1983-11-23a/queen-in-uruguay-on-23-11-1983-cancelled-concert.html

Brian was quite outspoken against the war, on the bands behalf.. Taken from [url=http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1100729/announce-roger-brian-interview-2-f-m-broadcast-ireland-1986-flac.aspx]http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1100729/announce-roger-brian-interview-2-f-m-broadcast-ireland-1986-flac.aspx[/url]

46-48 min.

Brian May.

"It's very tragic that we were fighting a war with them"

"I hated and despised the fact that we were out there killing their young men and they were killing ours"

"I feel it was a dreadful tragic mistake and I wish we could have done something to prevent it, but obviously we couldn't"

"Our view of that war was that we were out on tour in Europe at the time and we weren't reading the English news papers, except for after we read everything else, for instance the French and German attitude to it, and everybody thought we were complete idiots, they couldn't imagine we were making such fools of ourselves."

BP Fallon(interviewer) to Brian
"It was stupid wasn't it? all that argy bargy stuff"

Brian
"Disgusting, and then we read things like The Sun and we couldn't believe it, we were just so ashamed"

"There was no reason we should have been fighting these people really, there had to be some other way this could have been sorted out, In my humble opinion a piece of land that is not worth killing young boys for."

Politics did have a roll to play in the decision to not tour South America in 1983, imho.