Made in Heaven V`s Made in Heaven 2

Ok we are all talking about Made in Heaven 2. And most people are saying theres not enough material to make another freddie album. But is we look at Made in Heaven again, basically there was only 2 finished tracks on it. Its a beautiful day>>>>1980 demo Made in heaven>>>>>Freddie track Let me live>>>>>Samples from Rod stewart duet Mother love>>>>New song My live has been saved>>>>1989 scandal b side I was born to love you>>>>Freddie track Heaven for everyone>>>>The cross track Too much love will kill you>>>Miracle sessions/brian track You dont fool me>>>david richards sample A winters tale>>>new song So if Made in heaven 2 was to be made im sure theres enough material to make it. Maybe the album could be called>>> Queen - A new life is born A new life is born>>Miracle demos I guess were falling out>>> MIracle demos Self made man>>>> Innuendo demos New york>>>Freddie demos State of shock>>MJ/FM track Dog with a bone>>>Fan club track Face it alone>>>Innuendo/miracle sessions You are the only one>>>Freddie unfinished track There must be more to life than this>>MJ/FM track My secret fantasy>>>Innuendo sessions Take another piece of my heart>>RS/FM track Victory>>>>

New album will be named "Queen offshore " ;-)

A new life is born sounds very good....I totally agree

Heh.

It's a shame they feel they have to update and 'finish' material to deem it worthy of the Queen name and weaken the pool even more by presenting it as 'new' material. The off cuts and unreleased stuff would stand up well enough on an anthology with some typically clumsy brackets after their titles to explain to the punters so.

No matter how will be called the future album, the main thing what will be on it !

FFS - how many threads are there now about EXACTLY THE SAME THING?

Let's be honest, it would be a rather poor Queen album, wouldn't it? I hope Brian had some unknown stuff in mind, which fans have never heard of (or is this impossible?). Also, I disagree that Let Me Live and YDFM were based only on samples. Both songs had proper structure, verse and chorus, so I think it's quite a lot for "a sample".

I'd heard that David Richards assembled You Don't Fool Me out of Freddie vocal outtakes, that doesn't seem too likely though, it seems too coherent to be made up of vocals made without being intentionally made for such a song. I can see how those tracks could be made of 'samples' in a sense, though. For instance, there's plenty in Let Me Live which could've been written after Freddie's death, around what existed from the demo with Rod Stewart. Still, it'd be a stretch to call it a sample when there was clearly a couple of verses existing when Freddie originally sang it.

Difference is that Made In Heaven had a specific purpose and a unifying theme on it. It came to be so that Freddie's last recordings would see the light of day - he WANTED them released and put great effort into singing them even while he was dying - and when Brian, Roger and John started the work they saw that they had a bunch of songs that fit so well under the whole heaven & dying theme that they could do an album that would be a coherent entity. And the final result is that: MIH works as a seamless whole (You Don't Fool Me and IWBTLY stick out but Fool Me had to be there as it was one of Freddie's final things and IWBTLY brings some rock in there) and thus it is not a heap of scrambles but a real album and Queen's definite farewell.

If they were now to do the same, there would be none of that integrity of MIH to be found. It would be an album of just random songs, only there because they have Freddie's vocals on them, and they would have to build complete songs from so rudimentary demos that those songs were hardly even started. All Queen albums from the 80s and 90s had 4-5 songs that could be hit singles; this album would have no song worthy of releasing as a single. There wouldn't be any point in a new album.

I completely understand people's desire to hear new tracks with Freddie's vocals, but Made In Heaven 2 is not how that material should be presented. The demos should simply be released on a Queen anthology, as untouched archive material - as a bonus Brian, Roger and John could work on the few demos that could be finished and those would be released next to the demos and one such song could be released to radios to promote the anthology, but they should NOT try to desperately glue together a sequel to MIH.

A new life is born - sounds very promising. I will expect much from this album.

The MJ/FM tracks would be singles. In there own right, so why not make a album with demos etc Let me live and you dont fool me became singles from made in heaven. A feel for the album sure A new life is born would indicate...there lifes left in the queen still. Life starts from a seed and becomes something great. So a reborn of Queen freddie demos is just as good as Queen +++++. If i was to choose Queen + greatest hits 3 or Made in heaven 2 i think Made in heaven 2 would win by a mile.
As a flow for the album im sure A new life is born would have keyboard and guitar added to make it a intro and reprise. I even thought that Guess were fallin out would slide into Lost Oppurtunity(rework). So if they added lost oppurtunity to the list then maybe the album title could fit with that also.

Queen - Lost oppurtunity or Queen - A new life is born. Both fit perfect for the project.. Remeber i posted this subject 2 months ago. First the Ballads album is out in couple months then we have the Made in Heaven 2 in pipe line.. Rock on Rogers stuff also. Queen have defo been reborn - A new life is born.

Ok, brief premise:

I know there are a lot of purists that always find some (more or less strong) reasons to complain (Freddie is no longer here; Jhn is retired; Queen no longer exist; MIH was the last farewell; we're scraping the barrel), but I personally think we should always be happy to hear something new recorded by Queen, and with Mercury's vocals in it. I have no reasons to think that this would be something I would not enjoy. It will be surely better than the low-quality, incomplete leaked demos that you sometimes happen to find on youtube (and that often make me wonder how they'd have turned out 'if only' they had been finished).

This said:

It's really hard to wonder which tracks (and how many) might be included in a new release, for many reasons:

- We can't deduce a list of possible tracks only from the list of unreleased demos that circulates around the net. There might likely be much more material, some of which hasn't been taken into account for MIH only because for that album they focused on something that possibly could 'fit' in a farewell album, and in its general mood.

- I am convinced that there might be interesting demos from the '80-'85 times, and some also from the Miracle sessions.

So, for what we know:

- there are some FM+MJ tracks being currently worked. 1? 2? 3? Let's imagine that they have 2 tracks;
- there is the other version of Let me Live, that could be reworked in a way that resembles more 'No-one but you' (less gospel-style);
- there is 'Let me in your heart again', and very likely a Queen version of 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills' (wouldn't you love to hear a renewed version of it sounding like, e.g., 'School's up surf's out'?)
- there might be the chance of reworking some other lesser known tracks, and it would be in any case a good chance to have them refreshed (imagine an acoustic version of Life is Real or a piano-vocals of Jealousy).
- Some other Freddie's demos could be reworked (I'd love to hear 'Money can't buy happiness' in a 'who needs you?' style)
- Let's imagine that there are some other, more finished versions of the demos we've heard around (Guess we're falling out? Face it alone? You are the only one? Another version of Who Wants to Live forever with Freddie on Vocals and piano on the background?).. or other versions of songs with Freddie on vocals (imagine a 'Man on Fire' or a 'Killing Time' or a 'Sail away sweet sister'?)
- How if they had finally found the tape of Freddie's version of 'Born to rock and roll'? Or the hypothetically existing 'Music of the night'?

just sum them..and there's an album, and what an album I'd say!
I don't think it would be a 'scraping the barrel' operation, considering especially the quality of music that Queen usually produce, as a band and in their solo projects.

So... conclusion: let's cross fingers and hope that something new will arrive soon. Why focus on complaints?

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- We can't deduce a list of possible tracks only from the list of unreleased demos that circulates around the net. There might likely be much more material, some of which hasn't been taken into account for MIH only because for that album they focused on something that possibly could 'fit' in a farewell album, and in its general mood.

- I am convinced that there might be interesting demos from the '80-'85 times, and some also from the Miracle sessions.
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There are no hidden gems locked in some safe. We don't know of a single instance when Queen threw away a high quality song; they were good enough judges of their own material never to do that. At best there could be some half-finished song of the quality of Rain Must Fall somewhere, but you can't build an album around that.

And Queen never recorded much material in their album sessions anyway, there is hardly any leftover stuff. Compare to some other artist like Bruce Springsteen who used to record 40 songs in his sessions and then used only 1/4 of those for the album... unfortunately that wasn't the case with Queen.

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- there are some FM+MJ tracks being currently worked. 1? 2? 3? Let's imagine that they have 2 tracks;
- there is the other version of Let me Live, that could be reworked in a way that resembles more 'No-one but you' (less gospel-style);
- there is 'Let me in your heart again', and very likely a Queen version of 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills' (wouldn't you love to hear a renewed version of it sounding like, e.g., 'School's up surf's out'?)
- there might be the chance of reworking some other lesser known tracks, and it would be in any case a good chance to have them refreshed (imagine an acoustic version of Life is Real or a piano-vocals of Jealousy).
- Some other Freddie's demos could be reworked (I'd love to hear 'Money can't buy happiness' in a 'who needs you?' style)
- Let's imagine that there are some other, more finished versions of the demos we've heard around (Guess we're falling out? Face it alone? You are the only one? Another version of Who Wants to Live forever with Freddie on Vocals and piano on the background?).. or other versions of songs with Freddie on vocals (imagine a 'Man on Fire' or a 'Killing Time' or a 'Sail away sweet sister'?)
- How if they had finally found the tape of Freddie's version of 'Born to rock and roll'? Or the hypothetically existing 'Music of the night'?
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^^ None of that warrants a studio album.

Some Freddie solo thing could be reworked for the anthology just as a curiosity item for fans, but that's it.

[QUOTE] [b]roy_fokker wrote:[/b]

Ok, brief premise:

I know there are a lot of purists that always find some (more or less strong) reasons to complain (Freddie is no longer here; Jhn is retired; Queen no longer exist; MIH was the last farewell; we're scraping the barrel), but I personally think we should always be happy to hear something new recorded by Queen, and with Mercury's vocals in it. I have no reasons to think that this would be something I would not enjoy. It will be surely better than the low-quality, incomplete leaked demos that you sometimes happen to find on youtube (and that often make me wonder how they'd have turned out 'if only' they had been finished).

This said:

It's really hard to wonder which tracks (and how many) might be included in a new release, for many reasons:

- We can't deduce a list of possible tracks only from the list of unreleased demos that circulates around the net. There might likely be much more material, some of which hasn't been taken into account for MIH only because for that album they focused on something that possibly could 'fit' in a farewell album, and in its general mood.

- I am convinced that there might be interesting demos from the '80-'85 times, and some also from the Miracle sessions.

So, for what we know:

- there are some FM+MJ tracks being currently worked. 1? 2? 3? Let's imagine that they have 2 tracks;
- there is the other version of Let me Live, that could be reworked in a way that resembles more 'No-one but you' (less gospel-style);
- there is 'Let me in your heart again', and very likely a Queen version of 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills' (wouldn't you love to hear a renewed version of it sounding like, e.g., 'School's up surf's out'?)
- there might be the chance of reworking some other lesser known tracks, and it would be in any case a good chance to have them refreshed (imagine an acoustic version of Life is Real or a piano-vocals of Jealousy).
- Some other Freddie's demos could be reworked (I'd love to hear 'Money can't buy happiness' in a 'who needs you?' style)
- Let's imagine that there are some other, more finished versions of the demos we've heard around (Guess we're falling out? Face it alone? You are the only one? Another version of Who Wants to Live forever with Freddie on Vocals and piano on the background?).. or other versions of songs with Freddie on vocals (imagine a 'Man on Fire' or a 'Killing Time' or a 'Sail away sweet sister'?)
- How if they had finally found the tape of Freddie's version of 'Born to rock and roll'? Or the hypothetically existing 'Music of the night'?

just sum them..and there's an album, and what an album I'd say!
I don't think it would be a 'scraping the barrel' operation, considering especially the quality of music that Queen usually produce, as a band and in their solo projects.

So... conclusion: let's cross fingers and hope that something new will arrive soon. Why focus on complaints?












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