I was horrified to see you thought my message here should be a reason to discredit Peter Freestone in any way. Peter is a wonderful man and gives so much to us all. He is always a great person to be around, very kind to me in those days too and an important part of Freddie's life.
Why do you need to vilify anyone here? Is that an important feature of QZ?
You can pick holes in anything anyone ever says. Sebastian already found a flaw in my original message. Life is not black and white. Any study of any piece of history can tell you that. I can only tell you what I found in the archived studio documents we have, plus what I remember. I'm sure Peter knows many things I don't - after all, he was much closer to Freddie.
We are still researching other documents from 1991. I'll let you know if I find more info on this subject.
Regards
Justin
Fireplace · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]justinshirleysmith wrote:[/b]
Why do you need to vilify anyone here? Is that an important feature of QZ?
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Unfortunately yes to that Justin, but you can usually count on Mr. Wizard not being one of the vilifiers. There's plenty of strange folk on this board, but also many courteous avid amateur (and even professional!) Queen-historians who will hang on your every word. Your contribution is much appreciated and will hopefully continue regardless of the naysayers.
Raffy · Member since
Thanks for your contribution Justin, looking forward for future insights, welcome to Queenzone :)
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Fans liked the idea of a narrative saying Mercury practically sang on his deathbed, but it was implausible for so many reasons.[/QUOTE]
It is, but that's the narrative suggested by loads of official sources, so there was a reason to think that. Now, tape boxes and track-sheet dates are far more reliable, as they can't/don't/won't adapt their story to make it more spectacular or dramatic, but such the content of such tape boxes hadn't been made available to the public until this thread.
Moreover, and just to be really pedantic, that doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility of Freddie *intending* to record something else in the future (e.g., an unreleased fifth post-Innuendo song that never got finished), or doing something that was deemed unusable.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Only three songs were recorded after Innuendo[/QUOTE]
Wrong: four, that we know of. The correct way to phrase it would be: out of the material recorded after Innuendo, only four songs have been released to date (and only three of those have Freddie's vocals).
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
David Richards has recently said the work began immediately after Innuendo was finished (November 1990).[/QUOTE]
We didn't need to wait 'til 2011 to learn that: Fan Club mags and contemporary reports of 1991 had already revealed that.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Three songs wouldn't take a year to put onto tape, especially considering how time was of the essence.[/QUOTE]
Also considering they had drum machines (it takes a second to press a button on a preset beat), some synth chords (which even an amateur performer could easily play) and the clever stuff would come in after Freddie's death.
But then again, no-one says it was just those four songs (there've been four, not three, post-Innuendo compositions released so far).
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
It is now clear that the last work he did was the Days Of Our Lives video shoot.[/QUOTE]
Again, not necessarily. It could very well be the case, but you're jumping into conclusions.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Why in the world would he deliberately lie about this?[/QUOTE]
Maybe he didn't 'deliberately lie'. Maybe Freddie did intend to record after May but he wasn't able to; maybe he did record (something that was neither AWT nor YDFM nor ML) but it wasn't enough to make a song out of it (not when they had those outtakes and things from 1980-1988 to use instead).
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]justinshirleysmith wrote:[/b]
Sebastian already found a flaw in my original message.[/QUOTE]
TBH, it wasn't a flaw, just a piece of info that could be interpreted in different ways depending on whether you'd meant last Freddie work or last band work.
[QUOTE] [b]justinshirleysmith wrote:[/b]
Life is not black and white.[/QUOTE]
And it's not a greyscale either. There are millions of colours, and not being able to see infra-red or ultra-violet doesn't mean they don't exist.
[QUOTE] [b]justinshirleysmith wrote:[/b]
I can only tell you what I found in the archived studio documents we have, plus what I remember.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of, if you don't mind a couple of follow-up questions: do you know if the band (with or without Freddie) did anything after Innuendo besides those four hitherto-released songs? Do you remember when was Freddie's last keyboard recording?
Ozz · Member since
Instead of dissecting every post and bit of information almost like wanting to have the last word on the subject, I hope QZ could this time be open and welcoming to the valuable information Justin is sharing here.
Maybe there will be a time later on to get together all and start jumping onto conclusions.
I wish QZ could become a place where people like him and others would share with us all those wonderful paragraphs of Queen history that we all love about and not keep attracting Internet trolls like bees ( Even the QP one).
So, Thank you Justin for taking the time to come here.
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
Instead of dissecting every post and bit of information[/QUOTE]
There are thousands of posts on QZ, out of which I've barely dissected more than 1%.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
almost like wanting to have the last word on the subject[/QUOTE]
I'm not interested in having the last word on anything. I am, however, interested in discussing these topics, and I'm not going to withdraw my thoughts.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
I hope QZ could this time be open and welcoming to the valuable information Justin is sharing here. [/QUOTE]
QZ's always been open and welcoming to valuable information offered by people connected to Queen, including Barry Mitchell, Gary Taylor and even Greg Brooks despite all his trolling and name-calling.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
Maybe there will be a time later on to get together all and start jumping onto conclusions.[/QUOTE]
That's true, or maybe some people would like to 'get together all and start jumping onto conclusions' right now, and we don't need your permission for that. There's something called 'free will.'
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
I wish QZ could become a place where people like him and others would share with us all...[/QUOTE]
It's always been such a place.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
... not keep attracting Internet trolls like bees ( Even the QP one).[/QUOTE]
It's gonna keep attracting trolls as well.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
So, Thank you Justin for taking the time to come here.[/QUOTE]
There I agree. He could've easily ignored all the debates and the speculations but he bothered to reply, not to bully people around like a certain Archivist, but to respectfully share valuable information that Justin himself admitted didn't know people would care so much about. Kudos for that.
inu-liger · Member since
Justin, can you confirm or deny the existence of a version of "Mother Love" with alternate Roger Taylor vocals in place of Brian May's? Allegedly this was revealed by Greg Brooks at a convention demo playback session around 10 years ago.
malicedoom · Member since
Another big THANK YOU to Justin for this information.
Great to know. Thanks again!
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]justinshirleysmith wrote:[/b]
Dear Mr Wizard
I was horrified to see you thought my message here should be a reason to discredit Peter Freestone in any way. Peter is a wonderful man and gives so much to us all. He is always a great person to be around, very kind to me in those days too and an important part of Freddie's life.
[/QUOTE]
My apologies for flying off the handle. Rest assured, it has nothing to do with your thoughts and they shouldn't be associated with you.
Thanks again for your contributions. Hope we see more of you around here.
Vocal harmony · Member since
Justin thank you so much for taking the time to share this on here. It makes great reading, and from someone who was there.
Bohardy · Member since
Justin,
I just wanted to show my gratitude for what you posted, and give sincere thanks.
That was truly one of the best posts there's ever been on this forum, if not the best. That's the kind of stuff that makes our world go around, so if you ever feel inclined to drop in again and share more in this vein, you are absolutely more than welcom.
Thanks.
shannaschaffer · Member since
Please don't leave us, Justin :)
Adam Baboolal · Member since
Along with everyone else saying the same, I'd also like to thank you, Justin, for taking the time to let us know this information. This truly is brilliant :)
Martin Packer · Member since
One thing I've always wondered is not so much when Freddie recorded his last but what sort of states were the post-Innuendo tracks in when Freddie last heard them.
You'd really hope Freddie got some satisfaction out of seeing the tracks emerge from his efforts, wouldn't you? And I've no idea whether the tracks needed much work on them after his death or not much at all.
Obviously Mother Love would probably have been missing the final verse - but could you imagine Freddie hearing Brian's vocal? (I doubt this happened.)
Perhaps @justinshirleysmith can comment on the tracks' levels of completeness.
