Queen - Brian May Disappointed By John Deacon's Movie Snub

"Queen are, were and always will be the four players who played on all of their albums."

Thank you. Common sense prevails.

I may be seen as hard line on this issue, but as a fan for over 30 years, with all the output of CDs, DVDs, solo stuff and an attendee of the last gig in August '86 plus solo concerts, I wouldn't touch anything masquadaring as 'Queen' with a barge poll. What May and Taylor have done is boardering on criminal in my mind.

dagi

To me it doesn't mean a thing if they have a 'legal right' to call themselves Queen - they might somehow purchase the legal right to call their show Mozart, Talking Heads, Jim Morrison, Buffalo Bill and Darth Vader or whatever but it doesn't mean that you would actually see any of that if you went to see them.

Theoretically Paul and Ringo could team up too and start calling themselves The Beatles, they would surely have the legal right for it as well, but if they did that would people all over the world be genuinely celebrating the return of The Beatles? I really don't think so.

There are so many wild variations of line-ups changing and bands' names staying and changing that what is the "true" band is really case-specific and comes down the personal opinion of what you accept as 'your band'.

An example from the other end is The Fall; probably the whole population of Manchester has passed through that band with only one guy staying but it's still always The Fall, because in this case, one man makes the band. If it's Mark E. Smith and your grandmother on bongos, it's a Fall gig, everybody knows that.

Was R.E.M. still R.E.M. after Bill Berry left? Yes - the analogy of a three-legged dog. The band was definitely missing something but it was still R.E.M., wounded but alive.

But in case of Queen, I count them with the Beatles and Led Zeppelin as bands whose all four members mattered and when one died, the band died. The group was gone, the magic was gone, and it could not be replaced.

You can all consider Brian, Roger and the latest reality TV star as Queen like they wish - it doesn't matter to me. For me the four of them were Queen and their legal right to call themselves whichever or some internet discography won't change it.


Going more on-topic, I'd like to remind some of you that John doesn't owe you anything just because you bought a Queen album. He retired a long time ago and isn't going to pop up anymore. Actually I have much more respect for his decisions after Fred's death than I have for Brian and Roger for what they've done during the past 15 years...

[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]

Legally, it's not the same band.
Musically, it's not the same band.

If John and/or Freddie's estate had at any time disputed the use of Queen name, nobody would even think of calling those two guys as Queen.


What it all comes down to is that the other partners of QPL have thrown Brian and Roger a bone that enables them to tour even after their solo careers have dwindled down to nothing.
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1 - legally, it is.
2 - of course it's not, but that's not the issue
3 - they didn't dispute it, so it's irrelevant
4 - your opinion. You're free to think that, doesn't mean it's true. What is true, however, is that the company has two directors, and those are the members who tour. So nobody's throwing bones. Just baseless conjecture.

[QUOTE] [b]dagi wrote:[/b]

"Queen are, were and always will be the four players who played on all of their albums."

Thank you. Common sense prevails.

I may be seen as hard line on this issue, but as a fan for over 30 years, with all the output of CDs, DVDs, solo stuff and an attendee of the last gig in August '86 plus solo concerts, I wouldn't touch anything masquadaring as 'Queen' with a barge poll. What May and Taylor have done is boardering on criminal in my mind.

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Opinion and common sense are different. As is fact.

Like I said, won't be posting anymore about it, just wanted to tie up the loose ends left from my unanswered posts from yesterday.

You can argue the toss, but legally the band is Queen and TCR is a Queen project. What is, is. I don't like it, you don't like it, same can be said for many here - but it doesn't change things.

That's all I'm saying - we can have our opinions, but what beats us is fact. I actually agree with your principles, but not your reasoning, as fact trumps thought every time.

The artist name on The Cosmos Rocks is Queen + Paul Rodgers. The artist name on the albums Queen through to Made in Heaven is Queen.

Ergo The Cosmos Rocks is not a Queen album. Its a Queen + Paul Rodgers album. Its as simple as that.

I don't think John owes anyone anything and calling his lack of participation in anything a snub is just off. Also, looking through some of the comments about what is Queen and what is not Queen it just looks heated. Scared to say anything, but I can see both sides of the coin. I cannot argue about The Cosmos Rocks being a Queen record, it clearly is. The statement above is simplistic (AlbaNo1). To me, its a Queen album with a guest appearance, hence the +. I like your username, though! Alba really is Numero uno, unless of course it's ment to read as Alba No-one hehehehehehehe

Great board. Been reading for a while.

It's a shame as I stopped buying all output from Brian, Roger and "Queen" because of their misuse of the band's name.

If only they'd called themselves something which is associated with Queen (e.g. the name of a Queen track), I wouldn't have taking this stance and would almost certainly continued to buy (and enjoy) their music and attend their concerts.

But they've become nothing more than a tribute to the band I love, their cheesy appearances with B rated celebs and the devaluing of the history, brand and legacy of arguably one of the finest bands in history - is just embarrassing and shameful.

dagi

[QUOTE] [b]dagi wrote:[/b]

It's a shame as I stopped buying all output from Brian, Roger and "Queen" because of their misuse of the band's name.

If only they'd called themselves something which is associated with Queen (e.g. the name of a Queen track), I wouldn't have taking this stance and would almost certainly continued to buy (and enjoy) their music and attend their concerts.

But they've become nothing more than a tribute to the band I love, their cheesy appearances with B rated celebs and the devaluing of the history, brand and legacy of arguably one of the finest bands in history - is just embarrassing and shameful.

dagi



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That's more like it buddy. That's a much better articulated, reasoned and more rational approach.

I know the subject has been heated, but ^THAT^ is the way this whole thing should be looked at, rather than the exclamation "They aren't Queen".

That's all I've been driving at.

Sorry to all the folk I've managed to piss off with how I've set about saying what I had to say. I like debate, but don't like arguing because I'm a soppy sod.

I just wanted to reiterate that I don't necessarily disagree with anyone's feelings/opinions on this (SBN, tero, Alba) but can't argue with what's reality. I don't like the way things are, but that's just the way it is.

Respect to each and everyone of you.

Well, it is quite logical…..there is no need for any debate….

Yes, officially Queen still exists, Brian and Roger have all rights to use this name and to do whatever they want (they can employ Justin Bieberlake if they want and it will still be OFFICALLY Queen, they can record new album with the lead singer Justin and it will be offically Queen, LOL)……

But in reality (let’s call this people’s perception and common sense) Queen died in 1991. I know that most people will say Freddie was just one of the 4 members (25 %) but in reality he was the main attribute for the band. Let’s not forget why Queen had the big success. Two most important factors were Freddie’s voice and his flamboyant stage persona. Yes, I know other 3 members were also very talented, but there are thousands of people in the world with such talent and they DON’T succeed. I am 99 % sure that if Freddie wasn’t part of the group, Queen would never be famous. You can always replace guitar player or drummer and there won’t be such difference, but you can’t replace one on a million voice and flamboyant character of the frontman. Freddie was the brand of the band.

My personal opinion is also that Queen ended in 1991. I believe that with Brain and Roger collaborations with other “artists” can cause more harm than good for the name Queen. They look like they want to do anything “just to stay in the business”.

[QUOTE] [b]ZBGM0 wrote:[/b]

Well, it is quite logical…..there is no need for any debate….

Yes, officially Queen still exists, Brian and Roger have all rights to use this name and to do whatever they want (they can employ Justin Bieberlake if they want and it will still be OFFICALLY Queen, they can record new album with the lead singer Justin and it will be offically Queen, LOL)……

But in reality (let’s call this people’s perception and common sense) Queen died in 1991. I know that most people will say Freddie was just one of the 4 members (25 %) but in reality he was the main attribute for the band. Let’s not forget why Queen had the big success. Two most important factors were Freddie’s voice and his flamboyant stage persona. Yes, I know other 3 members were also very talented, but there are thousands of people in the world with such talent and they DON’T success. I am 99 % sure that if Freddie wasn’t part of the group, Queen would never be famous. You can always replace guitar player or drummer and there won’t be such difference, but you can’t replace one on a million voice and flamboyant character of the frontman. Freddie was the brand of the band.

My personal opinion is also that Queen ended in 1991. I believe that with Brain and Roger collaborations with other “artists” can cause more harm than good for the name Queen. They look like they want to do anything “just to stay in the business”.
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That's a really good post although you maybe lost it a bit at "in reality Queen died in 1991", if you had stuck to the bit in the middle of that sentence - the bit where you say let's call this people's perception - the whole thing would have been spot on. I reckon that Walt has been pretty much on the button, even if it makes him look like he's being arrogant (or a meth-dealer!!!!). Other than that, I think we all feel the same about the whole situation and lets hope and pray they never look to Bieber for any form of recording 'cos things are realy bad enough as it is!!!!!!!

[QUOTE] [b]SkyeTV wrote:[/b]

lets hope and pray they never look to Bieber for any form of recording 'cos things are realy bad enough as it is!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't be surprised. Collaboration with Rustin Fever would make those two much more recognizable. If Brian already collaborated with GaGa, then I wouldn’t be surprised if goes even further.

Look this video how awesome Brian is. At around 6:27 he appears so glamorous like never before – better then Live Aid. You can also see many other “artists” sitting and watching THE show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6QJ8-A_z40


Why this singing guy with black hair didn’t scream eeeeeeerooo di ra ri ra reeeeroo at the end and then all other artists (among them also Rustin Fever, Fitney Fears, Katy Merry etc.) would repeat eeeeeeerooooo ….it would be perfect

The singing guy? I was looking for him lol, until I realised it was Lady Gaga you meant haha :)

Brian still has it. Never lost it. Just a pity about some of his ventures, though!

To be honest john was devastated when freddie passed away and he like the rest of us knows Queen is not Queen without good old fred.
No matter what May and Taylor do, it will simply not be the same ever again.
Queen have turned into there own pathetic tribute show
now taking Adam Lambert on tour so maybe john deacon
is annoyed with that as well, i know i certainly am.
Queen died the night freddie did, end of.
All you fools waste your money going to see lambert
but it wont be the same regal atmosphere when freddie was
around!

Most people on this thread feel the same as me, about the terrible things Brian May and Roger Taylor have done in the last 20 years or so concerning Queen.
The worst and unforgivable is working with Lambo freak
and now Brian wants to take the little toe rag on tour,
which insults me as an ardent Queen fan of 39 years.
For god sakes Bri, drop the piss takes and concentrate on real Queen projects instead of pulling Queens impressive 40 years career through the mud, your making us Queen fans very ashamed and a standing joke among the rock elite! i for one will never buy an album with lamberts voice on it, so please Bri do not insult us Queenies.
i have more respect for Deacon because he had respect for Freddie an left Queen, Bri & Rog are now scraping the bottom of the barrel. With regards to releases in the past 20 years, well they have been very poor, not like Beatles fans who get what they want!
Even Jacky Gunn promised us all this fantastic Queen box set years ago and it never happened!
very disappointing.