Fanthology

"no 'clever dick' STOLE the rough mix and leaked it.... " - Brian May.

Seems to be quite clear what he thinks of 'Fanthology' the people who 'trade' stolen intellectual property.

Ok. For those of you who, like me until I finally discovered what the hell splickdick was on about, haven't a clue. here is a link to another thread:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1367645/new-queen-track.aspx


Think it's a bit unfair to tarnish members of the Fanthology group as being thieves because, let's face it, that's what you're implying.

Of course, whilst you also appear to condemn trading "stolen intellectual property", I bet you've never complained when it's leaked for free on the internet and have refused to download a copy for your own pleasure/interest.

Whilst there may be some members of Fanthology responsible for bringing unheard tracks to the fans, there are certainly many more unnafilliated people who have done the same.

The BIG point you are missing is that unreleased tracks come from a variety of sources not associated with leaks from Queens archive: auctions of acetates and reel tapes, tapes freely given to friends of the band containing demos being the biggest. Neither of which is theft.

As for your own apparant disgust at Fanthology, let me just remind everyone again (yawn) that it was set up with the intention of compiling (hopefully) the biggest fan archive of Queen material on the planet outside of QPL, in the best quality possible with the intention of bringing it to the fans when it was all ready. Sure. That would have taken years to do but everyone has to start somewhere and members were chosen not simply for how big their own collections were but what skills they could bring to the table: people experienced in audio restoration, video editing and restoration etc.
Of course, David Fuller fucked it up by ripping the group off of it's trade items for a moment of glory, many of which some members had LEGALLY paid thousands of pounds to acquire on acetates and reel tapes.

So you know, Splickdick, whilst you sit there on your high horse condemning traders, if nothing else rare or unheard ever turns up again for you or anyone else to download and enjoy, don't blame Fanthology. They set out to make it better for everyone, not worse.

If somebody buys an Acetate at auction for a lot of money, does that make the person who bought the acetate a thief? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I would say not.

Mr Brians Wig, please could you ask members of the "Fantholigy" group to stop breaking into Brian's house to obtain these recordings...it's scaring the badgers in his garden.

It's actually Roger who's scaring the Badgers.
He's the one with the gun....

Actually, I have just had a thought, it could be the badgers that are breaking in to Brian's house & then slipping the recordings to the fantholigy group, "For a Price"

It's the only way for the badgers to finance their "Crack-Cocaine" habit.

Clever dick? As Dick van Dyke, or Tom, Dick and Harry, or does Brian speak of a clever cock....? Like Cock Robin?

I can see both sides of the coin. My heart goes with fanthology, as well as most of the other sources of free "leaked" material (I don't extend that to Fuller, simply because he now charges for the COPIES of tracks he has - copies he broke trust for) as they're bringing us something that Queen aren't. I know we have no actual rights to hear this stuff if the band don't release it, but it's still nice when we do. And we all know that we'd PAY for this intellectual property if the band were to release it. We've all done it (downloaded or shared), and seem to have free reign here as QPL tend to turn a blind eye.

However, if they were to clamp down on it, I could see their stance. Just because someone has paid "X" amount for an acetate doesn't mean they have the rights to share it (although it's much appreciated when they do!!). They'd own the physical recording, but no rights connected with it - just the same as if we buy an album from HMV, we're not supposed to copy it and trade it on for something else (be it cash, another recording or just kudos).

I'm not taking the moral high-ground or anything, just saying that I can see both sides of the debate. I'm happy to share and download the material whilst it's not available to buy, wrong or not.

Wouldn't it be nice if something like this was available in the Queen world:

www.thewhointhestudio.weebly.com

Cheers,

Benn Kempster

There's something similar at Queenpedia: http://www.queenpedia.com/index.php?title=Sessionography

[QUOTE] [b]dudeofqueen wrote:[/b]

Wouldn't it be nice if something like this was available in the Queen world:

www.thewhointhestudio.weebly.com

Cheers,

Benn Kempster[/QUOTE]

I didn't know you were posting under two different profiles ;)

For all I know it could be just you and me on this entire forum lol

I, too, am The Danger! ;-)

I personally think there are two sides to this, firstly recording live gigs and then selling the tapes... well no biggie really, unless they take it to a CD pressing business and then try to sell millions as an official release...

However unreleased studio tracks are a very different matter (IMO) it all depends on how they found there way into the public domain. If one of the band (and it can only be from one of them) gave the recording to someone and said "do with what you will" then who gave permission for the track to be 'Taken' from the studio?

So, if you buy a 'stolen' tape you are doing the same thing as buying a stolen video recorder or car or watch from a guy in a pub. If you have an white label pressing that is different because in theory it has at least passed the band that it has been pressed and will be sent out to radio stations etc.

But my big issue is with those that have in their homes tapes of material that the band had no intention of releasing at that point, somehow someone along the line stole it from them and tried to make money on it, Buyer beware... you are just as guilty as the thief in my eye and that of the law, if you buy a stolen car the Police will confiscate it and you have no redress.

Buy this keeps the circle going it give thieves a market. I totally understand if you are a collector why you'd want it....but that doesnt make it right? I might want Brian's Red Special, but that doesn't meanI'd buy it from a guy in a pub that nicked it.

It's pretty B&W to me, no real grey areas here, if it wasnt meant for release and the band had no knowledge of it being taken, it's theft...

Just to be clear regarding the Fanthology folk...  I have no issue with people collecting as much Queen material as they can, I totally understand it, But I have to add that when you collect or purchase something you need to know the provenance of the article. If you are happy it's legit fine, if however you cannot prove it then yo have to ask if it was stolen somewhere down the line. Then a moral dilemma comes in... up to you  if you buy it... personally I would walk away. Again this has nothing to do with fans passing round tapes of live gigs, I am speaking about creative work either finished or half finished that the band did not want released.

I can say with 100% certainty that nothing in my house was stolen, if you can say the same thing with 100% certainty then I raise a glass to you

[QUOTE] [b]A Word In Your Ear wrote:[/b]

Actually, I have just had a thought, it could be the badgers that are breaking in to Brian's house & then slipping the recordings to the fantholigy group, "For a Price"

It's the only way for the badgers to finance their "Crack-Cocaine" habit. [/QUOTE]

Those damn badgers again! Where's my shot gun...

[QUOTE] [b]Walter White wrote:[/b]

I didn't know you were posting under two different profiles ;)

For all I know it could be just you and me on this entire forum lol

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It IS just you and him on this forum.
The rest of us are just figments of Captain Kirk's imagination...