Martin Packer
It just sounds - to my admittedly tin ears - like they slowed Freddie down. Or maybe he was just singing languidly. :-)
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Martin Packer
And the track at over 5 minutes didn't need stretching out.
Mr.QueenFan
This is a great post by Brian about "YDFM". I am in love with the MIH album and this track is just fantastic. I really feel that MIH is the most beautiful album ever made by a rock group, and it´s my favorite Brian album with Queen. This guitar solo is magic, and now it seems that it was produced very quickly ... Remarkable.
But then we have "IWBTLY" wich is just ... insane work by Brian.
The best way to listen to MIH is at night, before sleep, with headphones. I´ve donne this many times, and that´s why i know every single detail that goes on in each song. It´s fantastic, and when you start to rediscover all those little nuances like the Real Wizard did, then you´d be in awe for such production and genius.
But then we have "IWBTLY" wich is just ... insane work by Brian.
The best way to listen to MIH is at night, before sleep, with headphones. I´ve donne this many times, and that´s why i know every single detail that goes on in each song. It´s fantastic, and when you start to rediscover all those little nuances like the Real Wizard did, then you´d be in awe for such production and genius.
Mr.QueenFan
edit. double post
MercuryArts
I have to say, I always enjoyed this song from the first time I heard it way back in 1995. It is a great solo, but what I always felt was that finally they got a dance beat based song, ala Queen correct. I'm listening to it right now & the outro solo really is fantastic. I can wait to get the hell out of the office so I can play it at a proper volume in the car.
Also, Happy New Year to All!!
Also, Happy New Year to All!!
vicspec
So we wouldn't have You Don't Fool Me if it were down to Brian. It took David Richards to dust it off and allow May's imagination sufficient scope to hear the song's validity. Can't help but wondering how many other gems like this are laying unused in the archives.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]vicspec wrote:[/b]
Can't help but wondering how many other gems like this are laying unused in the archives due to May's limited imagination.[/QUOTE]
^ great post up until that last point.
What is it with this plethora of Queen fans who constantly and baselessly rag on Brian?
Can you prove that there aren't Queen tracks that died because Mercury didn't feel like they were worth working on?
That "limited imagination" is responsible for a huge portion of Queen's sound, and a string of phenomenal albums that will be listened to for centuries. It wasn't until May was suppressed in the 80s that they became engrossed in the digital realm and became followers instead of leaders.
Can't help but wondering how many other gems like this are laying unused in the archives due to May's limited imagination.[/QUOTE]
^ great post up until that last point.
What is it with this plethora of Queen fans who constantly and baselessly rag on Brian?
Can you prove that there aren't Queen tracks that died because Mercury didn't feel like they were worth working on?
That "limited imagination" is responsible for a huge portion of Queen's sound, and a string of phenomenal albums that will be listened to for centuries. It wasn't until May was suppressed in the 80s that they became engrossed in the digital realm and became followers instead of leaders.
Ozz
We are so used to Brian's complex arrangements, that in the long run, many of us tend to like the most his spontaneous solos (The Mack way of producing) like Put out the fire, Crazy little thing called love, and this one You don't fool me.
But let's face it. A huge part of the Queen sound comes precisely from the painful work of Brian doing and redoing the layers of his solos.
But let's face it. A huge part of the Queen sound comes precisely from the painful work of Brian doing and redoing the layers of his solos.
vicspec
Sorry, I didn't want to sound disrespectful of Bri. He's a legendary fellow and one of my all time heroes. Perhaps I phrased that too bluntly. It was Brian himself who wrote that he couldn't hear any of worth in the You Don't Fool Me demo. I'm just wondering how many other demos would be worth working on if perhaps someone else were involved (like David Richards on YDFM) to get them up to speed.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
We are so used to Brian's complex arrangements, that in the long run, many of us tend to like the most his spontaneous solos (The Mack way of producing) like Put out the fire, Crazy little thing called love, and this one You don't fool me.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, true say.
The "quick, let's get this thing done before Brian gets here" line is still hilarious. And look what it led to..
We are so used to Brian's complex arrangements, that in the long run, many of us tend to like the most his spontaneous solos (The Mack way of producing) like Put out the fire, Crazy little thing called love, and this one You don't fool me.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, true say.
The "quick, let's get this thing done before Brian gets here" line is still hilarious. And look what it led to..
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]vicspec wrote:[/b]
It was Brian himself who wrote that he couldn't hear any of worth in the You Don't Fool Me demo. I'm just wondering how many other demos would be worth working on if perhaps someone else were involved (like David Richards on YDFM) to get them up to speed.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, sometimes it takes someone on the outside seeing inward to provide the full picture.
... and that goes for pretty much anything in life !
It was Brian himself who wrote that he couldn't hear any of worth in the You Don't Fool Me demo. I'm just wondering how many other demos would be worth working on if perhaps someone else were involved (like David Richards on YDFM) to get them up to speed.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, sometimes it takes someone on the outside seeing inward to provide the full picture.
... and that goes for pretty much anything in life !
Heavenite
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
This is a great post by Brian about "YDFM". I am in love with the MIH album and this track is just fantastic. I really feel that MIH is the most beautiful album ever made by a rock group, and it´s my favorite Brian album with Queen. This guitar solo is magic, and now it seems that it was produced very quickly ... Remarkable.
But then we have "IWBTLY" wich is just ... insane work by Brian.
The best way to listen to MIH is at night, before sleep, with headphones. I´ve donne this many times, and that´s why i know every single detail that goes on in each song. It´s fantastic, and when you start to rediscover all those little nuances like the Real Wizard did, then you´d be in awe for such production and genius.
[/QUOTE]
Nice post! I'm called Heavenite on here for a reason!...lol!
This is a great post by Brian about "YDFM". I am in love with the MIH album and this track is just fantastic. I really feel that MIH is the most beautiful album ever made by a rock group, and it´s my favorite Brian album with Queen. This guitar solo is magic, and now it seems that it was produced very quickly ... Remarkable.
But then we have "IWBTLY" wich is just ... insane work by Brian.
The best way to listen to MIH is at night, before sleep, with headphones. I´ve donne this many times, and that´s why i know every single detail that goes on in each song. It´s fantastic, and when you start to rediscover all those little nuances like the Real Wizard did, then you´d be in awe for such production and genius.
[/QUOTE]
Nice post! I'm called Heavenite on here for a reason!...lol!
Apocalipsis_Darko
Well, I think is not about imagination, is because Brian'way of work is a very slow, and meticolous, and he doesn't like the funk stuff.
For that Mack and Brian had problems in the past, and Freddie worked better with John, because was more in to his musical likes and way of work.
I think Brian had a lot of imagination, he did some compositions and souns very imaginative. Now, well, I think he lost the composition touch, but is my opinion. People who worked with him told me, can be frustrating working with him, because is always doubt about that thing or other, and worked in a solo for example a week.
There's the anecdote told by Gary Lions, an ingeneer, about the tea and the coffe.
"“I’d offer to make tea or coffe, and I’d go round the room taking orders from Freddie, Roger, Mike and watever other hangers-on were there, and the I’d ask Brian what he wanted. Then there’d be this paus and then he’s ask, “how may teas are you making? How may coffees?...Two? Three? Is it easier for you to make another coffe or another tea?” You could spend ten minutes just doing this. He was trying to make it easier for me, but in the end I’d be like, “Brian! Just tell me what you want!" " That's was in ANATO era.
But, imagination? I think Brian's was a magic composer with a lot of imagination without doubt.
For that Mack and Brian had problems in the past, and Freddie worked better with John, because was more in to his musical likes and way of work.
I think Brian had a lot of imagination, he did some compositions and souns very imaginative. Now, well, I think he lost the composition touch, but is my opinion. People who worked with him told me, can be frustrating working with him, because is always doubt about that thing or other, and worked in a solo for example a week.
There's the anecdote told by Gary Lions, an ingeneer, about the tea and the coffe.
"“I’d offer to make tea or coffe, and I’d go round the room taking orders from Freddie, Roger, Mike and watever other hangers-on were there, and the I’d ask Brian what he wanted. Then there’d be this paus and then he’s ask, “how may teas are you making? How may coffees?...Two? Three? Is it easier for you to make another coffe or another tea?” You could spend ten minutes just doing this. He was trying to make it easier for me, but in the end I’d be like, “Brian! Just tell me what you want!" " That's was in ANATO era.
But, imagination? I think Brian's was a magic composer with a lot of imagination without doubt.
Sheer Brass Neck
Genius is tossed about far too frequently these days. Stephen Hawking is a genius. Simon Cowell, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan? They may be geniuses of a different level because they are amazing self promoters, albeit with limited life skills. Brian May? Compositional genius. His contributions to the vocabulary of guitar will last as long as Steven Hawking's will in his respective field(s). He wrote amazing songs, and played guitar parts (Good Company in particular) never heard before or since. His early work was inimitable, beloved and his imagination was off the charts. One of the all time great players and people in rock history. I like Brian May :)
Then in the 80s, he was "suppressed" as Sir GH so correctly notes. But was that for the benefit of the band? Music was changing and Brian was always the lynchpin to the "classic" Queen sound. His writing (forget instrumentation) on Hot Space could have been from any time in his career, where for better or worse, the other three came in with totally different sounding songs than anything they'd done before. IMHO, that was what kept Queen relevant. Queen II is a lot of people's favourite album, but who would want to hear a Queen II sounding album in 1982 when they'd done it already? The other three seemed to be more forward thinking than Brian, and it probably irked him in the 80s. But they needed it to stay relevant. So he's a genius. A stubborn genius slow to accept new ideas. A stubborn genius with a gigantic ego (see anyone successful person in any field.) He's not the whipping boy, but as the self appointed guardian of Queen's legacy and he's made a fuckload of of horrible decisions (Pepsi, the musical, AFL) which he defends to the death.
He deserves all praise as one of the greatest writer/musicians of the rock era. He deserves criticism for his post 1991 strategy (and praise to as he's kept them relevant, but good work and spopular success don't go hand in hand.) He deserves heaps of scorn for suggesting MIH is anything but catalogue filler. I think he pulled it together after scrapping John and Roger's input and he wants to say it "may" be Queen's greatest album. Greatest sounding? Maybe. Greatest of the 90s? Right behind Innuendo. Greatest Queen album? Delusional. IMHO.
Then in the 80s, he was "suppressed" as Sir GH so correctly notes. But was that for the benefit of the band? Music was changing and Brian was always the lynchpin to the "classic" Queen sound. His writing (forget instrumentation) on Hot Space could have been from any time in his career, where for better or worse, the other three came in with totally different sounding songs than anything they'd done before. IMHO, that was what kept Queen relevant. Queen II is a lot of people's favourite album, but who would want to hear a Queen II sounding album in 1982 when they'd done it already? The other three seemed to be more forward thinking than Brian, and it probably irked him in the 80s. But they needed it to stay relevant. So he's a genius. A stubborn genius slow to accept new ideas. A stubborn genius with a gigantic ego (see anyone successful person in any field.) He's not the whipping boy, but as the self appointed guardian of Queen's legacy and he's made a fuckload of of horrible decisions (Pepsi, the musical, AFL) which he defends to the death.
He deserves all praise as one of the greatest writer/musicians of the rock era. He deserves criticism for his post 1991 strategy (and praise to as he's kept them relevant, but good work and spopular success don't go hand in hand.) He deserves heaps of scorn for suggesting MIH is anything but catalogue filler. I think he pulled it together after scrapping John and Roger's input and he wants to say it "may" be Queen's greatest album. Greatest sounding? Maybe. Greatest of the 90s? Right behind Innuendo. Greatest Queen album? Delusional. IMHO.
Sebastian
He was not suppressed. He kept contributing a lot. Just not in the same quality. But it was his fault. Just like each one with their own respective compositions.