Hopefully a new studio l.p. with Adam will be released early 2015!!!

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Good times never seemed so good gurl!

I had to google the lyrics to make sure I got the line right, and this is one of those songs that looks amazingly weak on paper (in terms of songwriting), and yet ND manages to make it a smash.  Now ND is the guy that every karaoke singer loves to karaoke to!

Good one! Thanks!

The level of your obsession is disturbing.


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[b]SweetCaroline wrote: [/b] Why does Adam have to play an instrument? His "instrument" is his stupendous voice -- one in a billion! Go to a live show and then tell me that he is NOT amazing. Does everyone who plays an instrument and write great songs have a stupendous one in a billion voice? Yes, Adam writes great songs, too! You are free to feel the way you do. I just said that I hope once this tour gets underway, you will change your mind about him. If you do, great! If you don't, that is your prerogative. I'm not dodging anything.

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Poor naive SweetCaroline.  Believe me, if Holly went to a live show, the last thing she would do is admit that Adam is amazing.  Srsly, not everyone will be a fan of Adam's, not everyone has to be.  It's enough that Brian and Roger are, as well as the folks who bought sufficient tickets to sell out the QAL arenas.  That's really all that matters.  No need to convert the world to fans, when all QAL needs is a certain number already accounted for.

Also there's a difference in tone between people who want to have a civil discourse about things to which they disagree, and people who are just trying to set others up.  You know, the attempt to lead someone into circles far afield from what they meant initially by laying out a new set of unrelated and irrelevant markers?  BTW, cue just such a dog-needs-a-bone post in 3... 2... 1...

My point being that the tone of this post, with snarky demands that you explain in minute detail what you mean by your opinion that AL is 'amazingly talented' while asking you to compare and contrast what you said to what you didn't (i.e. comparing Adam Lambert to iconic artists A, B, and C, chosen by the one being snarky, probably in order to claim, in a follow-up post that clearly you think Adam is as amazingly talented as iconic artists A, B, and C, and that no doubt Adam himself thinks he's as amazingly talented as iconic artists A, B, and C, which clearly makes him nothing more than an egotistical lame-ass karaoke singer blah blah blah), is a pretty good indicator that this 'request' falls in the latter category.

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I didn;t say he did, I asked for some evidence to support your "amazing talent" comment. Normally I would categorise people like James Taylor, Paul Simon etc., "amazing talents" because they are err... amazingly talented singers, song writers and musicians. I don't think Lambert is anywhere near their status. As for one in a billion, I reckon even the most fanatical lambert fans, perhaps in a rare moment of lucidity, would admit that's nothing but hype. Go read what he had to say about Dappy, Queen + Five, Robbie Williams or any o the other crap Queen has teamed up with if you don't believe me. Brian is no longer realy a musician and instead has become an animal rghts activist (which is fine -- he can do what he likes of course). But that means Queen is now just a brand and Queen+AL is a rather cynical way to keep the brand in the public eye. The WWRY musical and his obsession with having a No1 single in five differnet decades are all to do with brand recognition and hype and nothing to do with quality.

ps I did say before that I had no doubt those that went to the Hammersmith shows would enjoy them. I saw Queen+PR live and it was fun but the live DVDs are mostly awful.

pps Don't assume everyone who dislikes Lambert just hasn;t been exposed to everything he has done, which is pretty much the tactics AL fans have been using here. "What you don;t like Lambert!!!! Why don;t you watch-listen to this video I;ve just posted of him singing blah blah". It;s getting very very tired.

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Why does Adam have to play an instrument? His "instrument" is his stupendous voice -- one in a billion! Go to a live show and then tell me that he is NOT amazing. Does everyone who plays an instrument and write great songs have a stupendous one in a billion voice? Yes, Adam writes great songs, too! You are free to feel the way you do. I just said that I hope once this tour gets underway, you will change your mind about him. If you do, great! If you don't, that is your prerogative. I'm not dodging anything.

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I didn;t say he did, I asked for some evidence to support your "amazing talent" comment. Normally I would categorise people like James Taylor, Paul Simon etc., "amazing talents" because they are err... amazingly talented singers, song writers and musicians. I don't think Lambert is anywhere near their status. As for one in a billion, I reckon even the most fanatical lambert fans, perhaps in a rare moment of lucidity, would admit that's nothing but hype. Go read what he had to say about Dappy, Queen + Five, Robbie Williams or any o the other crap Queen has teamed up with if you don't believe me. Brian is no longer realy a musician and instead has become an animal rghts activist (which is fine -- he can do what he likes of course). But that means Queen is now just a brand and Queen+AL is a rather cynical way to keep the brand in the public eye. The WWRY musical and his obsession with having a No1 single in five differnet decades are all to do with brand recognition and hype and nothing to do with quality.

ps I did say before that I had no doubt those that went to the Hammersmith shows would enjoy them. I saw Queen+PR live and it was fun but the live DVDs are mostly awful.

pps Don't assume everyone who dislikes Lambert just hasn;t been exposed to everything he has done, which is pretty much the tactics AL fans have been using here. "What you don;t like Lambert!!!! Why don;t you watch-listen to this video I;ve just posted of him singing blah blah". It;s getting very very tired.

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Why does Adam have to play an instrument? His "instrument" is his stupendous voice -- one in a billion! Go to a live show and then tell me that he is NOT amazing. Does everyone who plays an instrument and write great songs have a stupendous one in a billion voice? Yes, Adam writes great songs, too! You are free to feel the way you do. I just said that I hope once this tour gets underway, you will change your mind about him. If you do, great! If you don't, that is your prerogative. I'm not dodging anything.

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Okay, Holly2003, I get your point that because Brian and Roger are singing the praises of Adam, you don't buy it because they have done the same thing about others through the years. That is a valid point. My point is that I don't believe an artist has to be a great musician and songwriter in order to be considered a great singer. I've been watching the 2007 Celebration Day Led Zeppelin video on cable TV and am totally amazed how these guys so many years after their prime are still so good at what they do.

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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b] The level of your obsession is disturbing.

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taptap wrote:[/b] I agree.

Oh, wait, were you talking about Lambert fans?

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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b] I didn;t say he did, I asked for some evidence to support your "amazing talent" comment.

[b]taptap wrote:[/b] Opinions do not require evidence.  That's why they're opinions.  I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Also, if you check around a bit (oh, say among the fans of Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Frank Sinatra, and Justin Beiber, to name a few), holding the opinion that a favorite artist is 'amazingly talented' is neither new nor weirdly obsessive, although I'm sure FS fans think it is for JB fans.  On the other hand, I'm pretty sure JB fans feel pretty much the same way about FS fans.

It's a generational thing as much as it is a taste/preference thing.

By the way, do you think Frank Sinatra was 'amazingly talented'?  If so, why?  Was it his amazing voice?  His skill in songwriting?  His expertise at instrumentation?  His stage presence?  His appeal?  Should we measure his appeal based on unit sales numbers?  Ticket sales at live events?  Ticket prices at live events?  Number of people in attendance at live events regardless of ticket prices or number of tickets sold?  Or do you think he was just a karaoke singer who sang songs other people wrote while sitting on a stool with a weird trenchcoat costume and affected vocal style, while not even holding, much less playing a guitar?

Please quantify how talented Frank Sinatra was on a scale of 1-10 and explain why that is, so that we never have to have the discussion hereafter about why some give him a 3 while others give him a 9.  Then we will know with absolute certainty which fans are right and which fans are wrong.  It is a contest after all - they're can only be one 'amazingly talented' artist at any given time.  And more importantly we'll know which fans to call obsessive because they like an artist someone else does not, and that will be so helpful for future discussions.  smdh.
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I've used Frank Sinatra, too, as an example of an amazingly talented singer who did not write his own songs or play a musical instrument. Sinatra was known for his wonderful phrasing when interpreting a song. I have heard the same thing said about Adam as well as his diction. I love to hear the lyrics and Adam has the knack of making those clear without taking away from the melody, smoothness or rock vibe of the song. I LOVE "Kashmir" by Led Zeppelin and love the way Robert Plant sings it but I would also love to hear Adam sing it so that the lyrics would be more distinguishable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvmuDH8cgG0

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[b]SweetCaroline wrote: [/b] I've used Frank Sinatra, too, as an example of an amazingly talented singer who did not write his own songs or play a musical instrument. Sinatra was known for his wonderful phrasing when interpreting a song. I have heard the same thing said about Adam as well as his diction. I love to hear the lyrics and Adam has the knack of making those clear without taking away from the melody, smoothness or rock vibe of the song. I LOVE "Kashmir" by Led Zeppelin and love the way Robert Plant sings it but I would also love to hear Adam sing it so that the lyrics would be more distinguishable.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvmuDH8cgG0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvmuDH8cgG0[/url]

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So many hugely popular singers didn't write their own songs, but were instead very good vocalists with very good stage presence.  Whether dancing around or standing still, these types of performers exude charisma, and are able to not only emotionally connect with the song, but to communicate that emotional connection to their audience.  Of course I think Frank Sinatra was an amazing talent.  Barbara Streisand, too.  To be completely honest, though, I don't own a single album or CD by either of them, because they're generally not my cup of tea despite their undeniable talent.  My mother has a fairly large collection of FS, though, as he's her favorite artist, and I enjoy that music when I visit her (it's almost always playing somewhere nearby).

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I love love love Robert Plant.  Also, I don't think distinguishable lyrics are all that important.  Many artists have unique vocal stylings and phrasings that sometimes make it difficult to make out certain words.  I have this issue with many, many country singers purely from their accent alone.  I think it doesn't have all that much impact on a listeners ability to enjoy the music in general, although I almost never enjoy country music.  I can name four artists in that category I like and they're all from long ago: Roy Orbison and Elvis (although both are really rock/rockabilly but you can't ignore the country component of their roots, even if it's as as much rock/soul as country), Patsy Cline (I consider her a countrified torch singer) and Johnny Cash (because omg, Johnny Cash was amazing!).

Man, some people here are just as evasive as a certain Rob Ford type character.

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Why does Adam have to play an instrument? His "instrument" is his stupendous voice -- one in a billion! Go to a live show and then tell me that he is NOT amazing. Does everyone who plays an instrument and write great songs have a stupendous one in a billion voice? Yes, Adam writes great songs, too! You are free to feel the way you do. I just said that I hope once this tour gets underway, you will change your mind about him. If you do, great! If you don't, that is your prerogative. I'm not dodging anything.

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Tsk, tsk. Now you are copying what Brian May has to say to suit your argument. Can you think much for yourself?
Of course you hope people change their minds, you want everyone to see AL the way you do. Yes, you are dodging, you haven't even answered the question.

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You know it. CNB/sweetcaroline and taptap/mithril...it's their m.o never to answer a question.

to address the original topic...........I think a Q+AL live DVD is an inevitability at some point! (And I'll be buying it, too....).....somehow I don't see a studio album coming......but who knows.....

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[b]The King Of Rhye wrote: [/b] to address the original topic...........I think a Q+AL live DVD is an inevitability at some point! (And I'll be buying it, too....).....somehow I don't see a studio album coming......but who knows.....[/QUOTE]

I'll definitely buy the DVD, and I'm pretty sure there will be one.  I'm less sure there will be a studio album, but if there is, I'd obviously buy it, too.

I wonder if Brian and Roger are more reluctant to put out another 'Queen+' studio album now after Cosmos Rocks being not as much of a hit as they hoped.......

I wouldn't be opposed to an album with Adam.....personally I'd like to see an album with just Brian, Roger, Spike, and a bass player....an actual band, unlike on TCR......

I don't remember it exactly, but there was a quote from Roger, I think from some time in the 80s, where he was complaining about 'half bands', as in bands that are only 2 or 3 official members and the rest are 'hired guns'......

Which is EXACTLY what Queen is now......