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thomasquinn 32989
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]Everything AC/DC did after Rising Power was terrible.[/QUOTE]
After a bit of googling I found that that track is from Flick Of The Switch (1983). That's their fourteenth album-release (counting '74 Jailbreak, which is technically a mini-album). So about 70% of their catalogue pre-dates that. If they only made "terrible" music after that (which I dispute, e.g. Razor's Edge), it still leaves most of their catalogue intact. Hardly an argument for labeling the band "overrated".
After a bit of googling I found that that track is from Flick Of The Switch (1983). That's their fourteenth album-release (counting '74 Jailbreak, which is technically a mini-album). So about 70% of their catalogue pre-dates that. If they only made "terrible" music after that (which I dispute, e.g. Razor's Edge), it still leaves most of their catalogue intact. Hardly an argument for labeling the band "overrated".
Holly2003
Nope, they're not over-rated. They had a run of albums from (Let There Be Rock, Powerage, Highway to Hell, Back in Black, For Those About to Rock) that are really strong, with many classic songs. Any rock band would be happy to have that list of albums on their CV. After that, the quality dropped off considerably. Flick of the Switch* is, IMO, their last good album and for 20 years now they've been living off past glories.
*yeah I meant Flick Of The Switch, not Rising Power.
*yeah I meant Flick Of The Switch, not Rising Power.
thomasquinn 32989
OK, fair point, although I think Razor's Edge was a positive exception, but I'm glad we agree that AC/DC doesn't fall in the U2-category.
The Real Wizard
Zeppelin overrated !?
I guarantee you, 4 out of 5 kids who have picked up an electric guitar in the last 40 years have done so because of Jimmy Page. That alone blows the argument out of the water.
They broke The Beatles' concert attendance records in 1973.
The sheer depth and diversity of musical genres on their albums is virtually unmatched in rock music.
Jimmy Page was an unadulterated genius in the music studio. He invented backwards echo. Find any 1969 album with a better drum sound than Zeppelin II, or a 1971 album with a better drum sound than Zeppelin IV.
And finally - their reunion concert in 2007 is arguably the biggest rock concert ever. 30 million people applied for tickets. This will never, ever happen again with anyone. In the sea of bands today in the digital age, no band will ever be this big.
I guarantee you, 4 out of 5 kids who have picked up an electric guitar in the last 40 years have done so because of Jimmy Page. That alone blows the argument out of the water.
They broke The Beatles' concert attendance records in 1973.
The sheer depth and diversity of musical genres on their albums is virtually unmatched in rock music.
Jimmy Page was an unadulterated genius in the music studio. He invented backwards echo. Find any 1969 album with a better drum sound than Zeppelin II, or a 1971 album with a better drum sound than Zeppelin IV.
And finally - their reunion concert in 2007 is arguably the biggest rock concert ever. 30 million people applied for tickets. This will never, ever happen again with anyone. In the sea of bands today in the digital age, no band will ever be this big.
The Real Wizard
As for Muse..
Black Holes And Revelations is one of the finest rock albums in decades. They are long past sounding like Radiohead when even Radiohead didn't want to sound like Radiohead. They have created their own sound, incorporating a wide diversity of musical genres into what they do. They are doing now what Queen were doing in the 70s at their peak, and they are only band doing it to the extent that they are. Their latest record even has dubstep references with fascinating results. And compositionally, Matt Bellamy's musical vocabulary exceeds pretty much everyone in popular music.
If they can sell out two nights at Wembley, they are in the top echelon. Fad pop acts can sell out arenas, but they can't sell out Wembley tour after tour. Katy Perry won't be doing Wembley in a decade when her pretty looks start to age. Muse will be.
Black Holes And Revelations is one of the finest rock albums in decades. They are long past sounding like Radiohead when even Radiohead didn't want to sound like Radiohead. They have created their own sound, incorporating a wide diversity of musical genres into what they do. They are doing now what Queen were doing in the 70s at their peak, and they are only band doing it to the extent that they are. Their latest record even has dubstep references with fascinating results. And compositionally, Matt Bellamy's musical vocabulary exceeds pretty much everyone in popular music.
If they can sell out two nights at Wembley, they are in the top echelon. Fad pop acts can sell out arenas, but they can't sell out Wembley tour after tour. Katy Perry won't be doing Wembley in a decade when her pretty looks start to age. Muse will be.
thomasquinn 32989
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Zeppelin overrated !?
I guarantee you, 4 out of 5 kids who have picked up an electric guitar in the last 40 years have done so because of Jimmy Page. That alone blows the argument out of the water.[/QUOTE]
I really like Zeppelin and agree that they do not belong in the "most overrated band" category, but I'm definitely kid number 5 in this argument - and no, I didn't pick up an electric guitar because of Brian May either.
[QUOTE]Jimmy Page was an unadulterated genius in the music studio. He invented backwards echo.[/QUOTE]
He *claims* to have invented backwards echo. According to a well-sourced and easily verified statement that made its way to, amongst others, Wikipedia: "Despite Page's claims, an earlier example of the effect can distinctly be heard towards the end of the 1966 Lee Mallory single "That's the Way It's Gonna Be", produced by Curt Boettcher."
Which leads to the crux of my single biggest problem with Led Zeppelin: they often plagiarized and then claimed to have come up with what they plagiarized. Jimmy Page is a very unreliable witness in the terms of an historian or a journalist.
Zeppelin overrated !?
I guarantee you, 4 out of 5 kids who have picked up an electric guitar in the last 40 years have done so because of Jimmy Page. That alone blows the argument out of the water.[/QUOTE]
I really like Zeppelin and agree that they do not belong in the "most overrated band" category, but I'm definitely kid number 5 in this argument - and no, I didn't pick up an electric guitar because of Brian May either.
[QUOTE]Jimmy Page was an unadulterated genius in the music studio. He invented backwards echo.[/QUOTE]
He *claims* to have invented backwards echo. According to a well-sourced and easily verified statement that made its way to, amongst others, Wikipedia: "Despite Page's claims, an earlier example of the effect can distinctly be heard towards the end of the 1966 Lee Mallory single "That's the Way It's Gonna Be", produced by Curt Boettcher."
Which leads to the crux of my single biggest problem with Led Zeppelin: they often plagiarized and then claimed to have come up with what they plagiarized. Jimmy Page is a very unreliable witness in the terms of an historian or a journalist.
Mr.Jingles
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
As for Muse..
Black Holes And Revelations is one of the finest rock albums in decades. They are long past sounding like Radiohead when even Radiohead didn't want to sound like Radiohead. They have created their own sound, incorporating a wide diversity of musical genres into what they do. They are doing now what Queen were doing in the 70s at their peak, and they are only band doing it to the extent that they are. Their latest record even has dubstep references with fascinating results. And compositionally, Matt Bellamy's musical vocabulary exceeds pretty much everyone in popular music.
If they can sell out two nights at Wembley, they are in the top echelon. Fad pop acts can sell out arenas, but they can't sell out Wembley tour after tour. Katy Perry won't be doing Wembley in a decade when her pretty looks start to age. Muse will be.
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I absolutely second that.
While you mentioned Radiohead. I have to say that they are the most overrated band in the world right now. I have to agree that 'The Bends' and 'OK Computer' were two of the greatest albums ever made. However, everything that Radiohead has done afterwards has been just experimenting for the sake of just sounding different. 'In Rainbows' and a few other albums have had some good tracks, but for the most part what Radiohead has done since 2000 up until now is just soulless music. There's no emotion to it.
Radiohead is entitled to make the music they want. What I find really annoying are all these hipsters who bow down to anything Radiohead does. Radiohead could just walk into a studio, record dead silence and hipsters will hail it as groundbreaking and original.
As for Muse..
Black Holes And Revelations is one of the finest rock albums in decades. They are long past sounding like Radiohead when even Radiohead didn't want to sound like Radiohead. They have created their own sound, incorporating a wide diversity of musical genres into what they do. They are doing now what Queen were doing in the 70s at their peak, and they are only band doing it to the extent that they are. Their latest record even has dubstep references with fascinating results. And compositionally, Matt Bellamy's musical vocabulary exceeds pretty much everyone in popular music.
If they can sell out two nights at Wembley, they are in the top echelon. Fad pop acts can sell out arenas, but they can't sell out Wembley tour after tour. Katy Perry won't be doing Wembley in a decade when her pretty looks start to age. Muse will be.
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I absolutely second that.
While you mentioned Radiohead. I have to say that they are the most overrated band in the world right now. I have to agree that 'The Bends' and 'OK Computer' were two of the greatest albums ever made. However, everything that Radiohead has done afterwards has been just experimenting for the sake of just sounding different. 'In Rainbows' and a few other albums have had some good tracks, but for the most part what Radiohead has done since 2000 up until now is just soulless music. There's no emotion to it.
Radiohead is entitled to make the music they want. What I find really annoying are all these hipsters who bow down to anything Radiohead does. Radiohead could just walk into a studio, record dead silence and hipsters will hail it as groundbreaking and original.
Holly2003
Yep for Radiohead. Good early stuff but completely lost the plot. Add Oasis to that list.
One of the good things about the Flick of the Switch discussion (not counting that Thomas and I actually spoke without insulting eachother, which must be a first on QZ) is that I then went out and bought the album on CD to replace my vinyl copy. (My old turntable conked out about a year ago and I haven't replaced it.) FotS really is a fine album. It is unrelenting hard from start to finish, but it has decent melodies. They really were a tight band at that point. Now I might even buy the Fly on the Wall CD to see if it's as bad as I remember it lol!
One of the good things about the Flick of the Switch discussion (not counting that Thomas and I actually spoke without insulting eachother, which must be a first on QZ) is that I then went out and bought the album on CD to replace my vinyl copy. (My old turntable conked out about a year ago and I haven't replaced it.) FotS really is a fine album. It is unrelenting hard from start to finish, but it has decent melodies. They really were a tight band at that point. Now I might even buy the Fly on the Wall CD to see if it's as bad as I remember it lol!
Queenfansunite
The Beatles
Now haha I know, but I really prefer their solo works, although obviously some Beatle songs are classics, but I think John Paul and George did so much more of quality solo.
The Beatles as the Beatles made too much music, and too much is made of them as a band, as their talents shined so much greater as solo artists.
Queen too little music , and their talent as a band
and as a unit , has never and will never will be equalled .
Now haha I know, but I really prefer their solo works, although obviously some Beatle songs are classics, but I think John Paul and George did so much more of quality solo.
The Beatles as the Beatles made too much music, and too much is made of them as a band, as their talents shined so much greater as solo artists.
Queen too little music , and their talent as a band
and as a unit , has never and will never will be equalled .
Stelios
The Rolling Stones.
Mick is a hell of an entertainer but vocaly not anything special.
Keith is good on riffs but could never make " a little strory inside the song" the way Brian always managed to achieve.
As for Keith Richards and his statement about Freddie has totally to do with idiosyncrasy .
Freddie had this absolute in your face sexual energy blended with camp sensibilities and cross-genre creativity, while Keith is a tottaly laid back, macho, burned out "fuck you" dude.
Its not straightforward homophobia ( the cup of tea statment ) but delves into sexuality and the way it is expressed.
By the way i find The Beatles tottaly boring too.
I think from the classic bands of the 70's only Queen still sound rellevant today and can appeal to a teenager on an instant, without him/her having to dig deep to find the deeper qualities that many of the other old bands may have had.
Mick is a hell of an entertainer but vocaly not anything special.
Keith is good on riffs but could never make " a little strory inside the song" the way Brian always managed to achieve.
As for Keith Richards and his statement about Freddie has totally to do with idiosyncrasy .
Freddie had this absolute in your face sexual energy blended with camp sensibilities and cross-genre creativity, while Keith is a tottaly laid back, macho, burned out "fuck you" dude.
Its not straightforward homophobia ( the cup of tea statment ) but delves into sexuality and the way it is expressed.
By the way i find The Beatles tottaly boring too.
I think from the classic bands of the 70's only Queen still sound rellevant today and can appeal to a teenager on an instant, without him/her having to dig deep to find the deeper qualities that many of the other old bands may have had.
thomasquinn 32989
Disagree. Deep Purple and Pink Floyd immediately come to mind, but there are others who have stood the test of time at least as well.
noorie
[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]
As for Keith Richards and his statement about Freddie has totally to do with idiosyncrasy .
Freddie had this absolute in your face sexual energy blended with camp sensibilities and cross-genre creativity, while Keith is a tottaly laid back, macho, burned out "fuck you" dude.
Its not straightforward homophobia ( the cup of tea statment ) but delves into sexuality and the way it is expressed.
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I have not really seen much of The Rolling Stones except for a couple of their songs which I love (Paint it black. for one), but isn't Mick also supposed to have put it all out there? In quite a campy way? With all the pouting? How does Keith feel about that? Although somehow, Mick never comes across as sexy to me. Just ridiculous!
As for Keith Richards and his statement about Freddie has totally to do with idiosyncrasy .
Freddie had this absolute in your face sexual energy blended with camp sensibilities and cross-genre creativity, while Keith is a tottaly laid back, macho, burned out "fuck you" dude.
Its not straightforward homophobia ( the cup of tea statment ) but delves into sexuality and the way it is expressed.
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I have not really seen much of The Rolling Stones except for a couple of their songs which I love (Paint it black. for one), but isn't Mick also supposed to have put it all out there? In quite a campy way? With all the pouting? How does Keith feel about that? Although somehow, Mick never comes across as sexy to me. Just ridiculous!
shannaschaffer
I am so glad to see someone else feels The Beatles are overrated. I have never understood their popularity and have always felt guilty or stupid feeling that way. As if there is something to them I just don't "get". Even if I am a bit dull for not "getting" them, I honestly don't enjoy any song of theirs that I have heard.
Queenfansunite
[QUOTE] [b]shannaschaffer wrote:[/b]
I am so glad to see someone else feels The Beatles are overrated. I have never understood their popularity and have always felt guilty or stupid feeling that way. As if there is something to them I just don't "get". Even if I am a bit dull for not "getting" them, I honestly don't enjoy any song of theirs that I have heard.[/QUOTE]
I admit I like some of their songs, I like George Harrison stuff , guitar gently weeps and good day sunshine?. Was that his ? Hey Jude and other ballads, I dint like twisting shout and that early stuff, it labamba ripp off to me. Prefer elvis.
But the Beatles i say are comparatively over rated
By their large number of fans,all hype if you ask me with even male American teenagers in love with their foreign Liverpool accents,
it the reason I think for the over the top hypery of it all.
and what a voice he had, little Richards , he had a Freddie vibe, or Freddie has his vibe I mean.
amazing raw power amazing voice, so much sexual energy.
anyway , i think they the Beatles , were the original boy band and later turned into take that during their latter albums , experimenting a bit, but they were far far better once they got the shackles off them and went solo.
I noted that on one documentary their contract did not have a signature for their manager where it should have done and suggests they were in fact managed by Queen , I mean The Queen , Elizabeth II of England.
Paul even seemed to joke about it in a way, but Cryptically , when he said he would sign himself over to her majesty if the manager left or something to that affect. Can you believe it? Some old time fans think Paul has false ears and is not the real one , lol so funny.
Well I say if he is not the real one, he is more talented than he was when he was the real one, because he wrote better songs.
And he wrote two good christmas songs, which is hard to do, and his stuff with MJ ebony and ivory great songs and MY love etc Mull of Kintyre live and let die.
I am so glad to see someone else feels The Beatles are overrated. I have never understood their popularity and have always felt guilty or stupid feeling that way. As if there is something to them I just don't "get". Even if I am a bit dull for not "getting" them, I honestly don't enjoy any song of theirs that I have heard.[/QUOTE]
I admit I like some of their songs, I like George Harrison stuff , guitar gently weeps and good day sunshine?. Was that his ? Hey Jude and other ballads, I dint like twisting shout and that early stuff, it labamba ripp off to me. Prefer elvis.
But the Beatles i say are comparatively over rated
By their large number of fans,all hype if you ask me with even male American teenagers in love with their foreign Liverpool accents,
it the reason I think for the over the top hypery of it all.
and what a voice he had, little Richards , he had a Freddie vibe, or Freddie has his vibe I mean.
amazing raw power amazing voice, so much sexual energy.
anyway , i think they the Beatles , were the original boy band and later turned into take that during their latter albums , experimenting a bit, but they were far far better once they got the shackles off them and went solo.
I noted that on one documentary their contract did not have a signature for their manager where it should have done and suggests they were in fact managed by Queen , I mean The Queen , Elizabeth II of England.
Paul even seemed to joke about it in a way, but Cryptically , when he said he would sign himself over to her majesty if the manager left or something to that affect. Can you believe it? Some old time fans think Paul has false ears and is not the real one , lol so funny.
Well I say if he is not the real one, he is more talented than he was when he was the real one, because he wrote better songs.
And he wrote two good christmas songs, which is hard to do, and his stuff with MJ ebony and ivory great songs and MY love etc Mull of Kintyre live and let die.