thomasquinn 32989
I'm exactly the opposite - U2 doesn't agree with me.
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brENsKi
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[b]pietrek wrote: [/b] Oasis, The Beatles, Radiohead. Can't agree with U2 or Coldplay though.[/QUOTE]
YES NO YES YES & YES - in that order.
Seriously fella - Beatles overrated? what have you been smoking?
you can't overrate the single biggest contributing factor to modern music.
[b]pietrek wrote: [/b] Oasis, The Beatles, Radiohead. Can't agree with U2 or Coldplay though.[/QUOTE]
YES NO YES YES & YES - in that order.
Seriously fella - Beatles overrated? what have you been smoking?
you can't overrate the single biggest contributing factor to modern music.
thomasquinn 32989
Big contributing factor? Yes. Biggest contributing factor? Total myth.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Big contributing factor? Yes. Biggest contributing factor? Total myth. [/QUOTE]
seriously? name a single bigger contributing factor - and by factor i mean a band/artist
Big contributing factor? Yes. Biggest contributing factor? Total myth. [/QUOTE]
seriously? name a single bigger contributing factor - and by factor i mean a band/artist
thomasquinn 32989
Not so much a double post as a post suffering from bugs. Can't put my text in here, it just comes up blank.
thomasquinn 32989
For some reason I can't put my text in this post either so I had to do it again. Weird.
thomasquinn 32989
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Big contributing factor? Yes. Biggest contributing factor? Total myth. [/QUOTE]
seriously? name a single bigger contributing factor - and by factor i mean a band/artist[/QUOTE]
It doesn't work like that. The world isn't changed by individual Carlylean heroes, but by all kinds of influences. If you listen to the early work of The Beatles, it's utterly bland. Their breakthrough came in 1963. At the time, Bob Dylan had already put out two albums, the second of which was monumental (The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan). The Kinks were a year away from effectively giving the starting signal for hard rock with You Really Got Me. Peter, Paul and Mary released their first LP, which went to no.1 in the US charts, a first for a folk album, giving a final push to the rising folk-rock movement. Ray Charles brought jazz/r&b reworkings of country, folk and pop standards, popularizing Rhythm 'n Blues in Europe. In 1962 and 1963, The Beach Boys put out four albums, including Surfin' USA. Joan Baez introduced audiences to American folk music in pop-form with two famous live albums in 1962 and 1963.
The 1960-1963 period also saw British blues, which originated in the late '50s, rise to a high-point. It also saw some of the foremost American modern jazz musicians move to Europe or at least go on extended tours (Dexter Gordon stayed for 15 years, John Coltrane toured extensively from 1961-1963 [and again in 1965], Johnny Griffin, etc.)
By 1965, when The Beatles released Help! and Rubber Soul, The Kinks were in full swing, Bob Dylan went electric and played the Royal Albert Hall (bringing The Beatles under his sway, btw), The Band were huge, as were The Animals (playing the Ed Sullivan show 4x), Simon & Garfunkel, Jimi Hendrix appears on television, Canned Heat and Captain Beefheart form, Frank Zappa gets his big break, Jefferson Airplane is formed, as are Pink Floyd and The Grateful Dead, Pearls Before Swine and The Small Faces.
And I haven't even mentioned The Rolling Stones or treated jazz in anything remotely resembling depth!
I'm not saying the Beatles weren't a great band, I'm saying deifying them as the creators of modern popular music is nothing short of pseudohistory.
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Big contributing factor? Yes. Biggest contributing factor? Total myth. [/QUOTE]
seriously? name a single bigger contributing factor - and by factor i mean a band/artist[/QUOTE]
It doesn't work like that. The world isn't changed by individual Carlylean heroes, but by all kinds of influences. If you listen to the early work of The Beatles, it's utterly bland. Their breakthrough came in 1963. At the time, Bob Dylan had already put out two albums, the second of which was monumental (The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan). The Kinks were a year away from effectively giving the starting signal for hard rock with You Really Got Me. Peter, Paul and Mary released their first LP, which went to no.1 in the US charts, a first for a folk album, giving a final push to the rising folk-rock movement. Ray Charles brought jazz/r&b reworkings of country, folk and pop standards, popularizing Rhythm 'n Blues in Europe. In 1962 and 1963, The Beach Boys put out four albums, including Surfin' USA. Joan Baez introduced audiences to American folk music in pop-form with two famous live albums in 1962 and 1963.
The 1960-1963 period also saw British blues, which originated in the late '50s, rise to a high-point. It also saw some of the foremost American modern jazz musicians move to Europe or at least go on extended tours (Dexter Gordon stayed for 15 years, John Coltrane toured extensively from 1961-1963 [and again in 1965], Johnny Griffin, etc.)
By 1965, when The Beatles released Help! and Rubber Soul, The Kinks were in full swing, Bob Dylan went electric and played the Royal Albert Hall (bringing The Beatles under his sway, btw), The Band were huge, as were The Animals (playing the Ed Sullivan show 4x), Simon & Garfunkel, Jimi Hendrix appears on television, Canned Heat and Captain Beefheart form, Frank Zappa gets his big break, Jefferson Airplane is formed, as are Pink Floyd and The Grateful Dead, Pearls Before Swine and The Small Faces.
And I haven't even mentioned The Rolling Stones or treated jazz in anything remotely resembling depth!
I'm not saying the Beatles weren't a great band, I'm saying deifying them as the creators of modern popular music is nothing short of pseudohistory.
brENsKi
i never claimed them to be the ONLY band to change the course of popular music - i said they were the single biggest contributing factor...which they were
thomasquinn 32989
And I disagree. The Beatles simply had the best PR-machine that made them into the biggest hype, but certainly not the greatest contributing factor. It is very striking to see how heavily they were influenced by some of the developments I mentioned in the above post - before they came under said influences, they made their dime-a-dozen-songs from the first albums. When the likes of Dylan arrived on the scene they began to develop.