Good for you, just don´t go to the concerts. See how easy it is?
But we as Queen fans don´t have to read your opinion ad nauseam on what is supposed to be a Queen fan site - a site where it´s users like to support Queen.
Criticism is healthy. Bringing someone down everytime you post about this subject isn´t. Just don´t expect to come to a Queen site and attack my beloved band without me or others steping in to defend them.
It´s repulsive to me and to other music fans - not just Queen fans - to read your´s and others remarks about Adam Lambert with every post you make. It only shows where you guys are coming from as persons. Adam is a great vocalist, and nothing you and others here say will change that fact. Nothing!
And next time, show some respect to Brian May and Roger Taylor too. Roger may be suffering from deafness, but he is not an old half-deaf rocker. And the reason why he´s "half- deaf" now as you put it, is because he gave everything he got in the past so you and others - who only badmouth everything he does today - could have great shows to listen to - like Wembley 86, Live Aid, Montreal, Houston, etc.
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Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
"Adam is a great vocalist, and nothing you and others here say will change that fact. Nothing!"
That's great, but to take a contrarian point of view, "Adam is a lousy rock vocalist, and nothing you and others here say will change that fact. Nothing!" How is your opinion or anyone else's "fact"? It's an opinion. If you believe your opinion as fact, you must believe that the other person saying Adam as a rock vocalist is lousy is also a fact. Seems very logical.
Mr.QueenFan · Member since
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Welcome to Stepford!
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Look who´s back! I´ve already told you everything i think about you in the past.
pittrek · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
I have no interest in some synthetic pop-singer (AL), and I don't have any interest in seeing two old rockers, at least one of them half-deaf, pretending it's thirty years ago.[/QUOTE]
Good for you, just don´t go to the concerts. See how easy it is?
But we as Queen fans don´t have to read your opinion ad nauseam on what is supposed to be a Queen fan site - a site where it´s users like to support Queen.
Criticism is healthy. Bringing someone down everytime you post about this subject isn´t. Just don´t expect to come to a Queen site and attack my beloved band without me or others steping in to defend them.
It´s repulsive to me and to other music fans - not just Queen fans - to read your´s and others remarks about Adam Lambert with every post you make. It only shows where you guys are coming from as persons. Adam is a great vocalist, and nothing you and others here say will change that fact. Nothing!
And next time, show some respect to Brian May and Roger Taylor too. Roger may be suffering from deafness, but he is not an old half-deaf rocker. And the reason why he´s "half- deaf" now as you put it, is because he gave everything he got in the past so you and others - who only badmouth everything he does today - could have great shows to listen to - like Wembley 86, Live Aid, Montreal, Houston, etc.
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I agree with most of your post except one thing. Adam is NOT a great vocalist. Not YET. Does he have a great vocal range? Oh YES. Does he have talent? Oh yes. But he must work on his technique. Unfortunately he has some very bad habits too. I'm talking about his annoying "improvisations" - please if you know a better term let me know. I noticed even a couple of professionals told him the same thing, e.g. Slash.
He just needs more practice in singing rock songs if he plans his future in rock. But the good thing is he is willing to learn. And the good thing is he has really good teachers :-)
I remember when I heard the first concert he did with B+R in Ukraine, now known as part of New USSR. He was extremely annoying, his performance was unlistenable. But he got better and better with each concert. I have now listened to 3 concerts from this tour, and I must admit I enjoyed him on 2 of them. He has minimized the annoying stuff and now he's "acceptable". If they do a 2016/2017 tour, he will be REALLY good.
pittrek · Member since
PS Just to clarify, I listened to the Chicago recording and I enjoyed it
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
So bottom line, as per usual: you're not allowed to dislike anything Queen-members do, because that would be disloyal. You can't say that aging rockers who are trying to recapture some of their former glory are aging rockers who are trying to recapture some of their former glory, because that would be agist. You can't call AL a synthetic singer just because he was made into a star by a televised talent contest and big record companies, that would be insensitive to AL-fans. I'll just ignore the blatant personal attacks and unjustified claims that I am supposedly constantly ripping on Q+AL because this post would turn to monograph-length simply addressing those unfounded claims.
For once I agree with Holly: you're just a bunch of stepford fanatics. If you can put praise for Q+AL on this forum, you can also put criticism on it. If you can't handle that, go live in some totalitarian state where criticism of the national line isn't allowed.
One final point: Roger isn't half-deaf because "he gave everything", he's half-deaf because he didn't think of wearing hearing protection, which any smart musician does and has done for many decades.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
So bottom line, as per usual: you're not allowed to dislike anything Queen-members do, because that would be disloyal. You can't say that aging rockers who are trying to recapture some of their former glory are aging rockers who are trying to recapture some of their former glory, because that would be agist. You can't call AL a synthetic singer just because he was made into a star by a televised talent contest and big record companies, that would be insensitive to AL-fans. I'll just ignore the blatant personal attacks and unjustified claims that I am supposedly constantly ripping on Q+AL because this post would turn to monograph-length simply addressing those unfounded claims.
For once I agree with Holly: you're just a bunch of stepford fanatics. If you can put praise for Q+AL on this forum, you can also put criticism on it. If you can't handle that, go live in some totalitarian state where criticism of the national line isn't allowed.
One final point: Roger isn't half-deaf because "he gave everything", he's half-deaf because he didn't think of wearing hearing protection, which any smart musician does and has done for many decades.[/QUOTE]
Vocal harmony · Member since
^^^^
so no one over the age of 25 should be out there playing music
no one with more than one album should be playing, anything older would after all be re ashed if played live.
RT like a lot of touring musicians from the 70's is half deaf. back then fold back monertering was loud ear protection was not widely used.
yes you are entiltled to your views, but if someone doesnt agree with you dont moan about it. try disscussing it, thats the idea of a forum isnt?
I know four pro musicians and people in the business who have seen a show on this tour, all of them have come away saying the show is great, really good infact.two of those four saw Queen in the 70's and 80's and they are of the opinion that AL is doing a great job.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
Have you ever heard of the term "reduction ad absurdum"? The first part of your post is a textbook example thereof.
I am not "moaning" about someone disagreeing with me, I am displeased with the fact that anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support this tour and its American Idol-vocalist is verbally brutalized and pommeled with all kinds of false accusations and fallacious deductions.
Your claim that ear protection was not widely used is highly debatable. A number of, IMHO terribly stupid, musicians didn't, others (including the highly obnoxious U2, formed in '76) did.
Holly2003 · Member since
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I don't remember you at all. You must not have said anything interesting.
Carry on with the ever-enlightening mudslinging match...
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Thanks a lot for this link. Good to read the review of someone who was there.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Why is it not OK to dislike/disapprove of this whole project? I don't like Queen rehashing old stuff any more than I like The Rolling Stones rehashing old stuff (and I find them frankly embarrassing, with their whole regiment of supporting musicians to cover up their inability to play a full show),
I have no interest in some synthetic pop-singer (AL), and I don't have any interest in seeing two old rockers, at least one of them half-deaf, pretending it's thirty years ago.[/QUOTE]
I was just thinking about this quote. I'm sorry but do you have any knowledge of the history of live music in the last 40 years.
The current Queen line up has one extra musician on stage compared to every gig from 82 onwards. Drums, Bass, Keys, Vox, Guitar + Rufus on percussion.
Of course. . .
The rolling Stones
Genisis
The Who
Journey
Iron Maiden
Black Sabbath
Pink Floyd
Hendrix
Super Tramp
Rush
Muse
Fleetwood Mac. . . .
I could go on with this list. .
The point is they've all toured, or still tour with extra musicians. To single the Stones out, who have toured on and off with extra players since 1969. And The current Queen line up is a joke. It shows your willingness to pick fault with something for reasons that you probably already know have no real foundation.
Add to that your dislike of old musicians and "rehashed" music your scope for listening to live music must be very limited.
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thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
Where on earth am I saying that I am opposed to touring with extra musicians for Queen or for any other band? Nowhere, because that is not my opinion. I do, however, think that at some point artists who keep touring start to decline, and no matter how great they might still be, I can't help comparing them in my mind to their former selves. That doesn't mean they have to stop playing, merely that I *am of the opinion* that it would be better if they stopped playing. Quite *separately* from that, I don't like AL or the whole American Idol-circuit behind him, and that is simply a matter of personal taste. These two objections are separate and in no way tied together.
Any and all musicians are entitled to play and tour as they please, and anyone is entitled to listen to, enjoy and support any music they please. By all means, anyone can attend and enjoy the Queen + AL shows as much as they want, and I *do* hope people who attend will enjoy it, but I personally am not interested and I have just the same freedom as anyone who enjoys this Queen project to express my feelings about it. It's not like I have to be "loyal to the Queen-brand", I hope? I simply enjoy different projects, like The Rainbow, much more and regret that more time isn't invested in that sort of thing. This is simply my personal opinion, which I am free to discuss here.
Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
^^^
Yes, yes and yes. Intelligent point of view, civil discourse and rational reasoning why he doesn't enjoy the project. Why people can't accept a position like this is beyond me, well said sir.
