[QUOTE]You have to start somewhere, when Queen played Hyde park, Freddie didn't have the same ability that came later. If you watch AL he has some degree of control and showmanship in Chicago. [/QUOTE]
If we want to talk numbers, ok, fine. How many people attended the Hyde Park, and how many in Chicago? What do you mean by "control"? Well at least you've said "some degree" and not "full control"... and for a band to have a large audience like Queen had for a lot of its career (the Morumbi stadium and Rock in Rio and Knebworth were audience records for a while...) it first must caught attention of these people by doing something these 10k/50k/100k people like to see. I doubt that Adam could have a concert of his own - not festivals! - that could gather that many people, just for him, as talented as he might be, as much showmanship as he might have.
The first video I watched of Chicago (out of curiosity, I must confess - I was actually looking forward to see the Live Kills performance) was some test of the live feed, which captures the 3 or so minutes before the concert. The first thing that caught my attention was the size of the venue and the size of the stage itself. I was like "wow it's really downsized". Then I saw some videos and immediately realized why.
Lambert is just a fabricated "idol" (pun intended), he learned most of his business while in the eye of the hurricane. Does he have (some) talent? Maybe. Does he have a good voice? For certain things, yes (Broadway, perhaps?). But worse than the guy can be are his fans attitudes, trying to justificate anything with "he is the best" or "Freddie was gay too" comments inserted into random statements. Can't they just accept that most of us Queen fans are saying is that he (like anybody else) isn't the right guy for Queen and it is looking like a pastiche? Let him show his talent, but not in Queen, please. It's not a test lab.[/QUOTE]
Vocal harmony · Member since
The post you have quoted from was a reply to Gerry who had questioned if AL had played to the size of audiences FM had.
To answer your question about Hyde Park. 120,000 although some reports claim 150 or even 250.000
The biggest audience Queen have played to is 500,000 in Kiev with Lambert in 2012. Yes during the 80's they played some huge open air shows, but they played more shows, and over a longer period of time, in indoor arenas.
Capacity of arenas differs greatly from city to city, but normally between 9,000 and 25,000. The Chicago show was a 23,000 seat venue
I'm some what puzzled by your believe that the current production is scaled down. The stage is 80ft x 40ft the widest set that will fit into most arenas. And certainly bigger than The Game tour and Hot space tour stages. The walkway and B stage are the largest they've used and the lighting rig is the biggest they've toured with since the 80's. Scaled down? No!
AL control of the audience doesn't , and never will, match Freddies, but he doesn't look lost fronting a big show and gained positive responses from the audience.
someonewholikesadam · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
This is boring. Now i want to know who will win in a fight between Godzilla and Predator.
Discuss.[/QUOTE]
Can we please have a subforum for this topic? Maybe Godzilla Gay or something like that?
gerry · Member since
Adam Lambert would certainly not fill the stadiums and arenas on his own i am sure about that one!
The sell outs dates are due to a mixture of Queen fans and girlies who idolize adam like One direction.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
Adam Lambert would certainly not fill the stadiums and arenas on his own i am sure about that one!
The sell outs dates are due to a mixture of Queen fans and girlies who idolize adam like One direction.
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Very true. But neither would BM or RT on their own as solo artists, like many members of bands who perform outside of the band line up.
Remember as a solo artist Freddie didn't have the selling power of Queen, so had he toured at the time of Mr Bad Guy the chances are that he also wouldn't have sold out the venues Queen did.
matt z · Member since
Hmm. .. I thought Godzilla vs Predator was a nice tangent.
gerry · Member since
yes i know each Queen member on there own merits would not fill stadiums out right like the original Queen line up did.
Thing is the Magic has vanished from any live Queen show now and as much as Taylor & May push ahead they aint going to be magical ever again.
Its like baking a christmas cake, if there is certain ingredients missing, we know straight away when we taste it, that there is something missing and that is the same for Queen now!
In Queens case there 2 vital ingredients are Freddie Mercury & John Deacon!
Vocal harmony · Member since
Agreed. What they created in the 70's and 80's as a live band is untouchable. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that those days have returned because of AL.
But that said, the songs and the people who were in part responsible for creating them live on. And as these first dates have proved there is an audience who still want to remember, or maybe relive or maybe just find a little of those glory days.
BM and RT have never tried to find a sound alike singer, because that really would be saying to the world, hey look this still sounds the same.
They are out there bringing something of the Queen experience to those who want to part of it. As long as people do, then that's reason enough to be out there playing. Yes there are plenty of others who wouldn't be interested. But I really don't think that makes Queen + AL a bad thing. It's just never going to be as good as the original.
gerry · Member since
Sure i understand and respect Brian & Roger for wanting to try and get there music across to younger audiences
but we did not see "The Beatles" go on tour after Lennon passed away and yet they are still popular as they ever were!
I know Queen can do what they want when they want, but for the older Queen generations this will not be popular!
why would the older fans want to attend a Queen gig now when they have witnessed 4 rock gods at wembley arena
on fire and wowing there audiences?
As Brian said in an interview 3 months ago, if you do not like what we are doing now then "thanks and goodbye"
i thought that was a bit cheeky considering all the ardent Queen fans made him a millionaire over the years.
They always say the customer is always right though Bri.
Doga · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
Sure i understand and respect Brian & Roger for wanting to try and get there music across to younger audiences
but we did not see "The Beatles" go on tour after Lennon passed away and yet they are still popular as they ever were!
I know Queen can do what they want when they want, but for the older Queen generations this will not be popular!
why would the older fans want to attend a Queen gig now when they have witnessed 4 rock gods at wembley arena
on fire and wowing there audiences?
As Brian said in an interview 3 months ago, if you do not like what we are doing now then "thanks and goodbye"
i thought that was a bit cheeky considering all the ardent Queen fans made him a millionaire over the years.
They always say the customer is always right though Bri.
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No. Godzilla or Predator. Choose one
gerry · Member since
you mean godzilla is freddie and predator is lambert?
well i would chose godzilla!
Day dop · Member since
Forget Freddie for mo....
What's the difference with Lambert's voice and John Lennon's? Lennon's has character. Lambert's hasn't. Lambert has a voice that hits the notes, but that's about it.
Or another comparison - Lenny Kravitz. He's got a pretty decent rock voice. Lambert just doesn't cut it as a rock singer. As a make-do voice; a vehicle for the sounds to be heard again, yes. But it's just not rock n roll.
Cabaret, yes, rock n roll, no.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
Sure i understand and respect Brian & Roger for wanting to try and get there music across to younger audiences
but we did not see "The Beatles" go on tour after Lennon passed away and yet they are still popular as they ever were!
I know Queen can do what they want when they want, but for the older Queen generations this will not be popular!
why would the older fans want to attend a Queen gig now when they have witnessed 4 rock gods at wembley arena
on fire and wowing there audiences?
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Lennon was killed 10 years after the Beatles officially split. They has no wish to work together. Remember Queen never split.
There are older fans going to these shows. some still enjoy the live experience. Sure there are some younger fans who never got the chance to see the band back in the day, and some AL fans who may just be there for AL but at the end of the night might just have been turned into Queen fans
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
Sure i understand and respect Brian & Roger for wanting to try and get there music across to younger audiences
but we did not see "The Beatles" go on tour after Lennon passed away and yet they are still popular as they ever were!
I know Queen can do what they want when they want, but for the older Queen generations this will not be popular!
why would the older fans want to attend a Queen gig now when they have witnessed 4 rock gods at wembley arena
on fire and wowing there audiences?
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Lennon was killed 10 years after the Beatles officially split. They has no wish to work together. Remember Queen never split.
There are older fans going to these shows. some still enjoy the live experience. Sure there are some younger fans who never got the chance to see the band back in the day, and some AL fans who may just be there for AL but at the end of the night might just have been turned into Queen fans[/QUOTE]
I think it's fair to say John Deacon split from the band, or left, whichever way you wanna put it.
"Queen wouldn't be Queen if one of us left the band, or if we did things differently." - Roger Taylor (Modern Drummer interview 1984).
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/
I think it's fair to say John Deacon split from the band, or left, whichever way you wanna put it.
"Queen wouldn't be Queen if one of us left the band, or if we did things differently." - Roger Taylor (Modern Drummer interview 1984).
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Yes JD left, but the band never made an announcement saying they had split. If JD, as with any member of any band, wishes to leave it's up to him.
Indeed RT did say that. But peoples views and opinions change. Freddie, on Australian TV in 85 said if I leave the others could easily carry on.
We as fans can't, in fact we have no right, to stand in judgment of what band members wish to do. Yes we can like or dislike, but judging by ticket sales plenty like what happening.
