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SHA Lamberts fave album? Unlikely... they are playing songs from that album to promote the Live At The Rainbow release.
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I think save me, spread your wings and play the game are more something for Lamberts voice. Drop the heavier stuf. The guy can sing. Just not those songs.
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[QUOTE] [b]ploughman wrote:[/b]

Quite an interesting setlist and all in all very positive feeling about this.

The only thing that is really starting to show is Roger Taylors age and unfit status. My god...when he is playing the drums it is like a shadow of the past. His singing is still quite good, but he had to stand off from the drums for Tie Your Mother Down to let his son play and Stone Cold Crazy was like half a tempo :-([/QUOTE]

He´s letting his son playing drums on TYD, not because of his age, but because he is his son and he wants him to shine a little on this tour. His son he´s a drummer so Roger is balancing things out to keep him happy. I´m pretty sure Rufus would love to stay at drums all night.

On Stone Cold Crazy, there´s nothing wrong with the tempo of the song. It is being played at about the same speed of the Rainbow 74 concert or even faster (I would say faster, but i haven´t compare it yet, because all videos on YT are being deleted). The fastest they ever played this song was on their 77 tour. But that doean´t mean that it has to be played that fast all the time. This is not a race, it´s a concert and this is not a heavy metal crowd, so balance is needed and welcomed. And besides, i think this tempo suits the vocalist better - not the drummer!

And why do people think that when a song is slowed down is the Drummer´s fault? It´s just the way Queen allway structured their show. Whenever Now I´m Here opens the show they allways played the "slow" version of it. Some might even say that it was to slow in the Rainbow concert. But this has to do with the beginning of the show when Freddie then, and Adam now are creating an anticipation, so they need to slow it down a little. It needs to breath! Music is not a race, but to answer your concerns they are playing it faster now than they were in 74.

Then when NIH moved to the middle of the set they increased it´s speed.

There are some videos on YT that are slowed down for some reason, and even the pitch is altered. If you want to hear a closer version of what happened on that stage (Chicago), download the Inu-Liger torrent on the announce section and compare.

Of course, since this is the begining of the tour ,he is still testing the waters (his body) to see how it´s going to react - he´s 64 years old. But considering that he sings right after is drum solo, i believe that two weeks from now he will be back 100%, and when he gets to the MSG he will be fantastic.

Roger Taylor is doing an excellent job on this tour, and he is far from being a shadow of his past.
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I'm sorry, but I dont buy this theory about Rufus. It is an indication of Rogers bad fitness-level that he had to bring a percussionist to tour. A percussionist for Mr Taylor? The man has been like THE force behind Queens live sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEpusZOVILs&feature=player_detailpage#t=553

The thing that really made Queen live was the really pounding and energetic drumming and now there isn't any left I'm afraid. He not only plays slower but is hitting really soft and hence not sounding the same. It's not about the race or speed but with HOW it is sounding.

Brian still sounds quite a lot the same than lets say in 1992 Tribute Concert. If you compare Rogers playing from that concert, I think the difference is like night and day for Roger. Not playing the drums activile during his middle-ages also shows.
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[QUOTE] [b]ploughman wrote:[/b]

I'm sorry, but I dont buy this theory about Rufus. It is an indication of Rogers bad fitness-level that he had to bring a percussionist to tour. A percussionist for Mr Taylor? The man has been like THE force behind Queens live sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEpusZOVILs&feature=player_detailpage#t=553

The thing that really made Queen live was the really pounding and energetic drumming and now there isn't any left I'm afraid. He not only plays slower but is hitting really soft and hence not sounding the same. It's not about the race or speed but with HOW it is sounding.

Brian still sounds quite a lot the same than lets say in 1992 Tribute Concert. If you compare Rogers playing from that concert, I think the difference is like night and day for Roger. Not playing the drums activile during his middle-ages also shows.[/QUOTE]


I totally agree. Unfortunately a 20 year hiatus really affected Roger's playing, and so his contemporaries like Neil Peart, Ian Paice, Tico Torres, etc...still have the full package stamina-wise due to continuous playing and touring, Roger really missed out.

I sae them at Brixton on the first Q+PR show and he was great - still hitting well (and I think nervous energy/adrenaline for those first shows really helped too). By the Cosmos Rocks shows however there was a BIG difference in how he was playing - skipping a lot of the parts, and his left hand really noticeably being a lot weaker on the snare; I was really sad to see this. This was even more noticeable at Hammersmith when I saw them in 2014, with the first half of the show being ok, but the second half being very Brian 'centric'.

Ironically, Brian by 2012 Brian had really stepped up his game, and was playing better than for a long time, with a lot of the intricacies from the recording being put in, and less mess ups on solos. I think his time playing more with Kerry Ellis, and also dropping the 'crutch' of a second guitarist, helped him massively.

Rufus being there is definitely a 'cover' thing for Roger - Rufus is even playing hi hat and snare throughout a lot of the other songs to beef them up.
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This is what I meant when I used the "old athlete" analogy that was brushed aside by GUMP. Drumming is a physical vocation in a rock band. Roger was a force back in the day, but as I said, he's "human", he's "slowed down by age" and GUMP asked "tell me who's playing better than this!" cmsdrums (perhaps a drummer?) offered up 3 pretty solid choices. So when i say that "their live show is a patch of what it used to be", I am including everything. Roger Taylor had the energy and passion and technique to add a huge element to Queen's live shows back in the day. He can't do that now, so that is not a plus for me as someone who likes a rock sound at a rock show. Brian seems to be in better form than the past few years so that's great. Adam Lambert is no Freddie Mercury, not in the same universe as far as being a showman so that's not a plus. So a lesser singer/frontman and a drummer who is not what he used to be (and understandably so) and more of a pop/cabaret feel does not equate to a greater show than what I'm used to, which I stated was my humble opinion, which apparently is very wrong. Unfortunately, the ability of most people to have civil discourse using rational argument is long gone. If you don't buy in to Q + AL you're a vinyl loving dinosaur or a hater. Weird.
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It´s not because you are going to repeat it ad-nauseam that it´s going to be true. The truth is Roger is being brilliant once again. And who cares if Csmdrums is a drummer? This is Roger Taylor well oiled during the 2008 tour in Chile. A drum solo and the singing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9XMbi5kLgI

If you tell me that this Roger was sad to watch, then you have problems. Roger is nailing this like the boss that he is. Of course, there will allways be differences between the begining of the tour and the ending. But this is for all the musicians not just Roger.
By 2008 both Paul Rogers and Danny Miranda were in awe with Roger Taylor. I read the interviews, you know?!
They called Roger the engine, the motor behind Queen, so don´t try to outsmart everybody by bringing him down, and using the fact that you are a drummer to justify it. Clearly, besides the fact that you know what a snare is, you don´t know what you are talking about.

This year, by the time he gets to MSG he will be 100%.
I know it must be a bitch to be owned by a 64 year old, but that´s what Roger is doing with you lot.

Many of you would love to see Queen fall flat on their asses with Adam Lambert, but that is not happening. You tried that with Paul Rogers, and it didn´t happened then neither.

So, unless you start to back up your claims with video proof like i did above, you better shut up and fuck off to other forums. Since other drummers are playing better, maybe you want to go to their forums and leave Roger - and those who love him - alone.
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[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]

It´s not because you are going to repeat it ad-nauseam that it´s going to be true. The truth is Roger is being brilliant once again. And who cares if Csmdrums is a drummer? This is Roger Taylor well oiled during the 2008 tour in Chile. A drum solo and the singing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9XMbi5kLgI

If you tell me that this Roger was sad to watch, then you have problems. Roger is nailing this like the boss that he is. Of course, there will allways be differences between the begining of the tour and the ending. But this is for all the musicians not just Roger.
By 2008 both Paul Rogers and Danny Miranda were in awe with Roger Taylor. I read the interviews, you know?!
They called Roger the engine, the motor behind Queen, so don´t try to outsmart everybody by bringing him down, and using the fact that you are a drummer to justify it. Clearly, besides the fact that you know what a snare is, you don´t know what you are talking about.

This year, by the time he gets to MSG he will be 100%.
I know it must be a bitch to be owned by a 64 year old, but that´s what Roger is doing with you lot.

Many of you would love to see Queen fall flat on their asses with Adam Lambert, but that is not happening. You tried that with Paul Rogers, and it didn´t happened then neither.

So, unless you start to back up your claims with video proof like i did above, you better shut up and fuck off to other forums. Since other drummers are playing better, maybe you want to go to their forums and leave Roger - and those who love him - alone.[/QUOTE]

I love Roger Taylor and his drumming style. He was unbelieavable live during Queens main period. But nothing is forever my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cG5KrNhpVU
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[QUOTE] [b]ploughman wrote:[/b]

I love Roger Taylor and his drumming style. He was unbelieavable live during Queens main period. But nothing is forever my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cG5KrNhpVU

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Good for you.

I´m going to enjoy it immensely.

But before posting a video with a not-so-smart remark, you should ask yourself why would Roger chose to play a song live that he felt he wasn´t capable of doing it? And if they felt it wasn´t up to their standarts why would they allow it to be posted on the YT page?

That´s the difference between you and me. I say that they are chosing to play the version they chose to play, not the version they can play. There´s a difference in this. This is the Queen+Adam Lambert version and it´s great. It´s with harmony with the NIH speed and with the 1974 version of the Rainbow. It works beautifully in this show and it´s energy, and that´s the only way you can review this song - within this show. That´s the beauty of Roger and his genius. Something you and others don´t understand. New show, new singer, new energy, new VERSION OF THE SONG. It evolved. This is the beauty of QUEEN.

Queen were famous for adapting songs to their different tours and this is no exception.
This being the first show it´s completely normal that Roger might be holding back to see how his body is going to react. He is more economical in his playing. But as the tour progresses i´m pretty sure he will start to feel more confident about his body and will start to add certain bits here and there. I´m pretty sure the MSG show will be excellent because it´s going to be filmed.

See how a fan reviews the work of a musician he loves? Like this, understanding what is going on, and supporting the musician. Allways!

And by the way, this video of Stone Cold Crazy is excellent. I wasn´t expecting them to sound this good on the first show of this tour. By the end of this tour they will sound magnificent. Like allways!

I´m not gonna continue with this discussion. I was very clear with my thoughts and nothing you and others say will change my view on how Roger is playing today. He´s brilliant!
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I am a 70's vintage Queen fan -- so I was happily surprised by the setlist. I was lucky to get to see the LA Concert Preview (Burbank) and then Chicago.

The setlst worked really well. The transitions were tightly planned and there was a ton of variety. (And they included "Stone Cold Crazy" which I have not heard live since 1978. It was as good as it was the last time I heard them play it.)

>> Yes, I have a couple of favs they did not perform, but maybe before the tour is over I will get them.

>>The setlist, staging or arrangements they are using were all well planned -- and very effective.

I completely agree this was not like a 1974 or a 1982 Queen concert. It was not a tribute band replication, and really should not be judged as such.

It was something new -- but IMHO it was good new.
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Official Stone Cold Crazy clip is truly horrible performance..... and sadly key of weakness of this performance suprisingly is not Lambert´s voice - its Roger´s drumming which is dramatically worse compared to 2008 Tour with Paul Rodgers. Maybe he will be better as tour goes on, but this performance was really very bad.

About Rufus´s drumming in Tie Your Mother Down - I have big issue with that, because that "Queen+" factor is completely gone - it´s becoming Brian May and his backing band performance. It doesnt matter that Roger wishes that, for "Queen+" name Roger´s presence is required! Or Rufus is going to be upcoming drummer for future Queen+? It´s not acceptable for me.
Freddie is irreplaceable, but Q+PR were great! Q+AL are disaster. :(
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[QUOTE] [b]ptr wrote:[/b]

Official Stone Cold Crazy clip is truly horrible performance..... and sadly key of weakness of this performance suprisingly is not Lambert´s voice - its Roger´s drumming which is dramatically worse compared to 2008 Tour with Paul Rodgers. Maybe he will be better as tour goes on, but this performance was really very bad.

About Rufus´s drumming in Tie Your Mother Down - I have big issue with that, because that "Queen+" factor is completely gone - it´s becoming Brian May and his backing band performance. It doesnt matter that Roger wishes that, for "Queen+" name Roger´s presence is required! Or Rufus is going to be upcoming drummer for future Queen+? It´s not acceptable for me. [/QUOTE]

My point exactly.

There is a funny culture in Queen Zone today. Either there are people who are slacking everything what Brian and Roger and Queen are doing nowadays, or then there are people who don't see absolutely anything wrong with anything.

I just made this objective observation that Roger is not that fit anymore and that the "Queen-sound" is really gone because of that. I'm a HUGE, i mean a HUGE Roger Taylor fan, but my god, I'm entitled to have a negative opinion on his playing nowadays. And maybe it is because I've seen him doing 10 times bettter.
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[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]

Hmm...........is Sheer Heart Attack Adam's favorite album or something? Major love for SHA in the setlist! When no songs from it were played with Paul, or on the '12 concerts...............now we have Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap of The Gods Revisited, and Killer Queen![/QUOTE]

I am pretty certain it is because the upcoming Rainbow '74 Concerts release covers SHA. Plus these songs were/remain very popular in North America.

Adam's favorite Queen song is ABTD and he says he likes the funky songs best so that is def not SHA.