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GonnaUseMyPrisoners
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Second greatest band ever who are facing their mortality and want to ensure they sell more records/downloads and want to be remembered. I love soccer. Maradona was a God when Queen were at their peak in South america. I don't want to see Maradona play soccer now. He's "human", he's "slowed down by age" and "tell me who's playing better than this!" Lionel Messi is by a million miles. Maradona is yesterday's man. Queen are yesterday's band in a different vocation. their music will live forever, but their live show is a patch of what it used to be. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Goodness! You couldn't be more wrong about that.
Second greatest band ever who are facing their mortality and want to ensure they sell more records/downloads and want to be remembered. I love soccer. Maradona was a God when Queen were at their peak in South america. I don't want to see Maradona play soccer now. He's "human", he's "slowed down by age" and "tell me who's playing better than this!" Lionel Messi is by a million miles. Maradona is yesterday's man. Queen are yesterday's band in a different vocation. their music will live forever, but their live show is a patch of what it used to be. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Goodness! You couldn't be more wrong about that.
Sheer Brass Neck
^^^
Wrong about which things GUMP? That they want to "sell more records/downloads"? Of course they do. They are out because they "want to be remembered"? Of course they do, it's ensuring their legacy. Queen are "yesterday's band in a different vocation"? Of course they are. They've got nothing new to support and haven't since 1994. That's a lifetime ago so while I wouldn't say they're resting on their laurels, it's not like they're a hungry young band trying to find an audience. Their "live show is a patch of what it used to be"? IMHO, which is my humble opinion :) it is. I'm glad people are going and liking it, I may go when it hits my town but the experience strikes me as more musical theatre than a rock concert that I'm familiar with.
Wrong about which things GUMP? That they want to "sell more records/downloads"? Of course they do. They are out because they "want to be remembered"? Of course they do, it's ensuring their legacy. Queen are "yesterday's band in a different vocation"? Of course they are. They've got nothing new to support and haven't since 1994. That's a lifetime ago so while I wouldn't say they're resting on their laurels, it's not like they're a hungry young band trying to find an audience. Their "live show is a patch of what it used to be"? IMHO, which is my humble opinion :) it is. I'm glad people are going and liking it, I may go when it hits my town but the experience strikes me as more musical theatre than a rock concert that I'm familiar with.
Brian Maybe
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Brian MayBe wrote:
"And whining that they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago, whatever. They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life. Considering that, they've really only barely slowed down anyway! Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)"
Hi Brian MayBe, that's a great post and really the crux of the argument that shaped what the remainder of Queen is doing.
To go all Sebastian on you :) "they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago." No, they're not. Still great, but not what they were 30-40 years ago.
"They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life." Yes. To see the remainder of Queen in 2014 is a shadow of the whole of Queen from 1973-1985. For someone who has never seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this show may and likely is fantastic. For someone who has seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this is a nice trip down memory lane, but it is impossible to compare it to young, vital men trying to make their mark in the world of music to multi-millionaires playing songs they've played a million times to preserve their legacy and make a few bucks. The songs are the same, the urgency and performance just isn't there.
"Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)"
Some, maybe none. It's 2014. Queen is an amazing nostalgia act with no new music for 23 years. They are Tom Jones with the Art of Noise in the 80s or Elton John sucking up to WestLife or any hot act in the 90s (I loovvvvveeeee Queen but trying to be honest), of their generation.
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Well, we seem to be in agreement about a lot of things, but maybe it's just our conclusions that differ. I'm not as cynical to believe they're only doing this for the money. Of course I could be wrong, as I don't know the guys personally, but that's my gut feeling. I think there's too much emotion wrapped up in them taking on a large stadium tour and playing this music again without Freddie. (John too, of course, but since he's voluntarily bowed out, it's not the same thing).
And if they're wanting to extend their legacy, fine by me, they deserve it for what they accomplished!
I think it's absolutely right and valid for them to go out and do this with whoever they see fit, whether it's Paul Rogers, Adam Lambert, or whoever. Brian especially, and Roger, were huge creative forces in Queen, responsible for either writing and/or contributing their parts to these songs. Freddie alone, with his songs, would not have been Queen, it was the combination that made it what it was.
And, because of that, I totally understand the feeling that with only 2, it's not the same. It's not, and we all know that. But my point is, that's how life works, and you can choose to leave it behind for that reason, or you can use it as a perfectly valid reason to celebrate what was, with half of the team that made it. And that's an opportunity that we won't have for too much longer.
I disagree with the soccer player analogy, as a member of a sports team still has to be good enough to help the team win games. Musicians need only to be able to play and sound good. And these ones still absolutely do!
Brian MayBe wrote:
"And whining that they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago, whatever. They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life. Considering that, they've really only barely slowed down anyway! Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)"
Hi Brian MayBe, that's a great post and really the crux of the argument that shaped what the remainder of Queen is doing.
To go all Sebastian on you :) "they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago." No, they're not. Still great, but not what they were 30-40 years ago.
"They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life." Yes. To see the remainder of Queen in 2014 is a shadow of the whole of Queen from 1973-1985. For someone who has never seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this show may and likely is fantastic. For someone who has seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this is a nice trip down memory lane, but it is impossible to compare it to young, vital men trying to make their mark in the world of music to multi-millionaires playing songs they've played a million times to preserve their legacy and make a few bucks. The songs are the same, the urgency and performance just isn't there.
"Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)"
Some, maybe none. It's 2014. Queen is an amazing nostalgia act with no new music for 23 years. They are Tom Jones with the Art of Noise in the 80s or Elton John sucking up to WestLife or any hot act in the 90s (I loovvvvveeeee Queen but trying to be honest), of their generation.
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Well, we seem to be in agreement about a lot of things, but maybe it's just our conclusions that differ. I'm not as cynical to believe they're only doing this for the money. Of course I could be wrong, as I don't know the guys personally, but that's my gut feeling. I think there's too much emotion wrapped up in them taking on a large stadium tour and playing this music again without Freddie. (John too, of course, but since he's voluntarily bowed out, it's not the same thing).
And if they're wanting to extend their legacy, fine by me, they deserve it for what they accomplished!
I think it's absolutely right and valid for them to go out and do this with whoever they see fit, whether it's Paul Rogers, Adam Lambert, or whoever. Brian especially, and Roger, were huge creative forces in Queen, responsible for either writing and/or contributing their parts to these songs. Freddie alone, with his songs, would not have been Queen, it was the combination that made it what it was.
And, because of that, I totally understand the feeling that with only 2, it's not the same. It's not, and we all know that. But my point is, that's how life works, and you can choose to leave it behind for that reason, or you can use it as a perfectly valid reason to celebrate what was, with half of the team that made it. And that's an opportunity that we won't have for too much longer.
I disagree with the soccer player analogy, as a member of a sports team still has to be good enough to help the team win games. Musicians need only to be able to play and sound good. And these ones still absolutely do!
Doga
The setlist is really good, of course a lot of use would like more obscure songs, but let's think about it: Queen have tons of hits, and they are playing in large arenas in North America, so a greatest hits setlist is expected. They are playing really old songs, and i'm sure more will be added as the tour goes on.
Taking this into account, songs like Stone Cold Crazy, 39, or In the Lap of the Gods are really welcome.
Taking this into account, songs like Stone Cold Crazy, 39, or In the Lap of the Gods are really welcome.
cmsdrums
We always seem split here on the 'are they Queen or not?', 'do they have the write to use the band name?', how can it be queen with only half the band left?' Etc
Out of interest, does anyone know if similar arguments go on in the forums of The Who, Zeppelin, The Stones, Journey, Deep Purple etc, all who tour and record with others in place for deceased or replaced members?
I always think that Bri and Roger have always had the decency to add the name of any replacement vocalist into the headline so as to make it clear that the new guy is NOT a part of the band (unlike the other examples I quote above).
Out of interest, does anyone know if similar arguments go on in the forums of The Who, Zeppelin, The Stones, Journey, Deep Purple etc, all who tour and record with others in place for deceased or replaced members?
I always think that Bri and Roger have always had the decency to add the name of any replacement vocalist into the headline so as to make it clear that the new guy is NOT a part of the band (unlike the other examples I quote above).
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
We always seem split here on the 'are they Queen or not?', 'do they have the write to use the band name?', how can it be queen with only half the band left?' Etc
Out of interest, does anyone know if similar arguments go on in the forums of The Who, Zeppelin, The Stones, Journey, Deep Purple etc, all who tour and record with others in place for deceased or replaced members?
I always think that Bri and Roger have always had the decency to add the name of any replacement vocalist into the headline so as to make it clear that the new guy is NOT a part of the band (unlike the other examples I quote above).[/QUOTE]
We always seem split here on the 'are they Queen or not?', 'do they have the write to use the band name?', how can it be queen with only half the band left?' Etc
Out of interest, does anyone know if similar arguments go on in the forums of The Who, Zeppelin, The Stones, Journey, Deep Purple etc, all who tour and record with others in place for deceased or replaced members?
I always think that Bri and Roger have always had the decency to add the name of any replacement vocalist into the headline so as to make it clear that the new guy is NOT a part of the band (unlike the other examples I quote above).[/QUOTE]
Vocal harmony
^^^ very true.
I can't think of any 70's band who are now touring with their original lineup.
I can't think of any 70's band who are now touring with their original lineup.
Doga
Just a thought, what happened to the Red Special Doubleneck? Is Brian using it?
GonnaUseMyPrisoners
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Their "live show is a patch of what it used to be"? IMHO, which is my humble opinion :) it is. [/QUOTE]
Nothing humble about that! And on top of it, you're dead wrong. I was there, literally everyone left that show saying "best show ever". Even a friend who owns no Queen music at all made the impossible statement that he "never need(s) to see another show in his life again, and why would I? It couldn't possibly measure up!" Add to this that literally every review has raved about it, which is rare. You're just wrong, and exceedingly arrogant to decry a show of this caliber.
Their "live show is a patch of what it used to be"? IMHO, which is my humble opinion :) it is. [/QUOTE]
Nothing humble about that! And on top of it, you're dead wrong. I was there, literally everyone left that show saying "best show ever". Even a friend who owns no Queen music at all made the impossible statement that he "never need(s) to see another show in his life again, and why would I? It couldn't possibly measure up!" Add to this that literally every review has raved about it, which is rare. You're just wrong, and exceedingly arrogant to decry a show of this caliber.
Sheer Brass Neck
fair enough my friend as i haven't seen the show, so i'm going to trust you saw queen in the 70sto make a fair comparison, otherwise you're infinitely more arrogant making statement like that and not aware of history which is ignorant on top of arrogant.
ploughman
Quite an interesting setlist and all in all very positive feeling about this.
The only thing that is really starting to show is Roger Taylors age and unfit status. My god...when he is playing the drums it is like a shadow of the past. His singing is still quite good, but he had to stand off from the drums for Tie Your Mother Down to let his son play and Stone Cold Crazy was like half a tempo :-(
The only thing that is really starting to show is Roger Taylors age and unfit status. My god...when he is playing the drums it is like a shadow of the past. His singing is still quite good, but he had to stand off from the drums for Tie Your Mother Down to let his son play and Stone Cold Crazy was like half a tempo :-(
GonnaUseMyPrisoners
First show 1980, then 1982, BMB 1993?, QPR 2006. (Was ticketed for 1978 but the blizzard caused the parental units to balk, even though my friends all went.) But it's silly to talk about street cred. My point is...
This show measured up for different reasons. As evidence of that, let me say I've never been to a seated show where more than 90% of the crowd remained standing the entire time, for example. The excitement was palpable from the Made In Heaven Hidden track to GSTQ. We all were hanging on their every word/note. It was not one of those shows where everyones chatting to each other, music in background. No one wanted to miss even one detail.
I noticed (on iHeartRadio and live) that many of the tempos are slightly slower, even Adam trying to momentarily accelerate things during Love Kills, for example. I interpret that as a concerted effort by Roger & Brian to choose tempos that enable them to play better and more carefully, more in time, since the audience recordings make errors all too obvious. There were certainly errors and tech difficulties, and yet, they soooo didn't matter, not at all. Not one bit. And that is why I would describe this show as "transcendant", because it rose above the mundane issues to deliver a feeling and an experience to the audience that was unparalleled.
Again, different; but just as outrageous, just as over the top, no less powerful, no less excellent or mind-blowing than Queen ever were.
This show measured up for different reasons. As evidence of that, let me say I've never been to a seated show where more than 90% of the crowd remained standing the entire time, for example. The excitement was palpable from the Made In Heaven Hidden track to GSTQ. We all were hanging on their every word/note. It was not one of those shows where everyones chatting to each other, music in background. No one wanted to miss even one detail.
I noticed (on iHeartRadio and live) that many of the tempos are slightly slower, even Adam trying to momentarily accelerate things during Love Kills, for example. I interpret that as a concerted effort by Roger & Brian to choose tempos that enable them to play better and more carefully, more in time, since the audience recordings make errors all too obvious. There were certainly errors and tech difficulties, and yet, they soooo didn't matter, not at all. Not one bit. And that is why I would describe this show as "transcendant", because it rose above the mundane issues to deliver a feeling and an experience to the audience that was unparalleled.
Again, different; but just as outrageous, just as over the top, no less powerful, no less excellent or mind-blowing than Queen ever were.
The King Of Rhye
Hmm...........is Sheer Heart Attack Adam's favorite album or something? Major love for SHA in the setlist! When no songs from it were played with Paul, or on the '12 concerts...............now we have Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap of The Gods Revisited, and Killer Queen!
GonnaUseMyPrisoners
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
Hmm...........is Sheer Heart Attack Adam's favorite album or something? Major love for SHA in the setlist! When no songs from it were played with Paul, or on the '12 concerts...............now we have Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap of The Gods Revisited, and Killer Queen![/QUOTE]
Interesting observation! Love it... nice one KoR
Hmm...........is Sheer Heart Attack Adam's favorite album or something? Major love for SHA in the setlist! When no songs from it were played with Paul, or on the '12 concerts...............now we have Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap of The Gods Revisited, and Killer Queen![/QUOTE]
Interesting observation! Love it... nice one KoR