Queen - 1986-06-21 Mannheim (2014 CMI Music)

QUEEN

"Live In Mannheim 1986" - 28th anniversary edition

1986-06-21 Germany, Mannheim, Maimarktgelande

2014 CMI Music

Source 1 (*): SBD > FM SWF3 > ? > "Queen Reigns The World" 1991 CD bootleg > FLAC > WAV 16/44 > WAV 32/88 > restoration/merge/remastering > WAV 16/44 > FLAC
Source 2 (#): SBD > FM SWF3 > ? > "Done Under Pressure In Germany" (Gypsy Eye) CD bootleg > FLAC > WAV 16/44 > WAV 32/88 > restoration/merge/remastering > WAV 16/44 > FLAC
Source 3 (+): SBD > FM SWF3 > Cassette (1) > FLAC > WAV 16/44 > WAV 32/88 > restoration/merge/remastering > WAV 16/44 > FLAC
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Source 4 (@): excerpt from well-known official release of different concert

Total running time: 1:49:46

1. One Vision (@/#/*) [5:49]
2. Tie Your Mother Down (*) [3:51]
3. In The Lap of the Gods ...revisited (*) [2:34]
4. Seven Seas of Rhye (*) [1:21]
5. Tear It Up (*) [2:15]
6. A Kind Of Magic (*/#) [7:27]
7. Under Pressure (#/*/#) [3:52]
8. Another One Bites The Dust (#/*) [4:45]
9. Who Wants To Live Forever (*) [4:22]
10. I Want To Break Free (*) [3:27]
11. Impromptu (*) [2:59]
12. Gimme Some Lovin' (*) [1:48]
13. Brighton Rock Solo (*/#/*) [8:21]
14. Now I'm Here (*/+) [5:49]
15. Love Of My Life (+/*)[4:20]
16. Is This The World We Created (*) [2:47]
17. Baby I Don't Care (*) [1:30]
18. Hello Mary Lou (*) [1:18]
19. Tutti Frutti (*) [3:28]
20. Bohemian Rhapsody (*) [5:55]
21. Hammer To Fall (*/#) [5:01]
22. Crazy Little Thing Called Love (#/*/#) [7:50]
23. Radio Ga Ga (#/*/#) [8:06]
24. We Will Rock You (*) [2:58]
25. Friends Will Be Friends (*) [2:01]
26. We Are The Champions (*) [3:45]
27. God Save The Queen (*/#) [1:21]
28. Announcement (#) [0:46]


Freddie Mercury - vocals, piano, guitar on 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love'
Brian May - guitar, vocals, keyboards on 'Who Wants To Live Forever'
John Deacon - bass guitar
Roger Taylor - drums, percussion, vocals
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Spike Edney - keyboards, vocals, rhythm guitar on 'Hammer To Fall'
Fish - backing vocals on 'Tutti Frutti'


Here's a COMPLETE Queen show from start to finish from SWF3 Open Air Festival '86 in Mannheim excluding half of the first minute.

I chosen to work with 3 different sources to receive complete best sounding version in my opinion:
Source 1 is the best sounding version but unfortunately the most incomplete.
Source 2 is the most complete recording and sounds very good after some restoration work.
Source 3 is the weakest sounding version in my opinion, but it's the only version which features actual unaltered transition between 'Now I'm Here' and 'Love Of My Life'.

All sources were speed corrected and EQ-processed to match each other as much as possible. Noise reduction was applied for Source 2 to reduce the hiss of tape throughout the whole recording.
Some volume fluctuations in Source 1 were fixed in several songs. Also various small and large crackles were fixed in this one.

First half of 'One Vision' intro was not broadcasted as I understand.
As this piece doesn't include any live performance from the band, I decided to restore it from another famous show recording.

I didn't reduce the hudge amount of noise in the quiet part of the concert as it's impossible not to ruin the recording in the end. So it's there as is.

cmi

July 2014

That's interesting, I wonder how it will compare to my version, thanks!

Thanks! Will check out.

Thanks a lot for sharing this. I will definitely listen to this, because it´s one of my favorite Magic tour concerts. Thanks again.

Thanks a lot for sharing

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]

That's interesting, I wonder how it will compare to my version, thanks![/QUOTE]

Soundwise, nothing spectacular. Highs are pushed too much. Not unpleasant, but unnecessary, and by the end quite fatiguing.
However, the choice of sources is better. For example, "Under pressure", starts from the distorted source in your version. Here has a clean start. And the compressed sound gives a nice punch to this track. But not all the material reacts well to compression, especially the noisy parts.

Hmmmm. Perhaps CMI & Pittrek should collaborate and create a new mix?

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

Soundwise, nothing spectacular. Highs are pushed too much. Not unpleasant, but unnecessary, and by the end quite fatiguing.

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There was no high-end push up of 'Queen Reigns The World' source. This source has slight lack of low-end, and it was improved.

BTW, it sounds great now.

[QUOTE] [b]cmi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

Soundwise, nothing spectacular. Highs are pushed too much. Not unpleasant, but unnecessary, and by the end quite fatiguing.

[/QUOTE]

There was no high-end push up of 'Queen Reigns The World' source. This source has the lack of low-end, and it was improved.

BTW, it sounds great now.

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Of course it sounds great, it's YOUR mix... I also prefere the sound of the lp transfer over the cd bootleg, there are so many versions circulating of this recording and we're all using different stereo systems so it's all a question of personal taste! I think you did a good job, your mix sounds good, but not an upgrade at all!

MIX is one and only and is from 1986 broadcast... all other things are the restoration/editing/mastering works.

Of course there can't be hudge upgrade in terms of sound quality as there were no new sources used.
First of all it's an attempt to create COMPLETE recording of the show using best sources (IMO).
The only known complete recording of the show is 'Done Under Pressure' from Gypsy Eye, but the quality is not great there.
I prefer 'Queen Reigns The World' CD instead of LP so used it for this project.

[QUOTE] [b]cmi wrote:[/b]

MIX is one and only and is from 1986 broadcast... all other things are the restoration/editing/mastering works.

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I believe thefallenqueen knows the meanings of these terms, if this is important to you.

They are components of PROFESSIONAL PRODUCTION. Not our case. What you like to call mastering is in fact an audio optimization. Remember you started with a 44/16/2ch, and in a real studio this is at the end of the chain.

If I adjust a phone recording it is not a mastering. Maybe in an imaginary world, in which the keyboard is a mixing desk, and me and my computer are Aristide Productions.

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

Remember you started with a 44/16/2ch, and in a real studio this is at the end of the chain. [/QUOTE]

Using your theory, "A Kind Of Magic" album was never mastered/remastered but only "optimized"... as it was recorded and mixed digitally in 16/44.1.

BTW, mixing desk is not a proper mastering tool. Don't be confused by these two different processes.

The problem with you is not on the technical ground, is on the human one. You chose to totally ignore the other Mannheim merge, and the person behind it. Probably based on the stellar quality of your work, that should struck everyone. The only striking thing until now is your arrogance.

1. With respect to Pittrek and all his works, I have my vision on the sources and all the stuff. His words: "If you think you can do it better, try. I'm serious".
2. Where have you found the presentation of "stellar quality, that should struck everyone" ?
3. Where have you found the arrogance in my posts?

All I see is your negative attitude based probably on "total ignorance of the other Mannheim merge" and lack of your knowledge in mixing/mastering processes...

There's no need to answer, I hope it was your last post in this thread.

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

You chose to totally ignore the other Mannheim merge, and the person behind it. (...).[/QUOTE]

I don´t think this is the case. Pittrek did a wonderful job with it, but if other fans are passionate about this, and have other ideas for this project then they should do it too.
I´m glad that in the end they share it here in Queenzone for everybody to hear.

I don´t know how to do this stuff myself, so i really thank everyone who share their works in Queenzone .
Thanks again cmi for sharing this.

And if you have other similar projects that you did for yourself, please feel free to share it here. It´s good to have diferent views on the same projects.