Israel: The Double Standard

Racist how am I racist!

edit: dbl post

[QUOTE] [b]Jefffab1995 wrote:[/b]Racist how am I racist![/QUOTE]

here's a few of YOUR examples:

[QUOTE] [b]Jefffab1995 wrote:[/b] How can you support these zionist pigs[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffab1995 wrote:[/b] Brenski this is not war this is Israel disregarding international law to stop a country that cant even be self sufficient. Israel is a country of cowards and criminals [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffab1995 wrote:[/b]Israel claims to be a victim brenski but they victimize palestine and honestly if Israel was destroyed the east would be a better place[/QUOTE]

and how the fuck do YOU think Hamas is defending itself - you're notion is bizarre in the least. every Israeli action is a response to a Hamas strike.
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffab1995 wrote:[/b]Yes it is a double standard Israel can kill thousands and when Hamas tries to defend itself they get crucified. .[/QUOTE]

now please don't talk to me anymore. YOU're racist. full stop. the proof is above.

Thats just personal opinion brenski

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[b]Jefffab1995 wrote: [/b] Thats just personal opinion brenski[/QUOTE]

racism[i][b] is[/b][/i] a [b]personal opinion[/b]. 
and terms like:
[b][i]"zionist pigs"[/i][/b]
[b][i]"if Israel was destroyed the east would be a better place"[/i][/b]
and
[b][i]"Israel is a country of cowards and criminals"[/i][/b]
are overtly racist. time you either withdrew the above and apologised for them.

and to claim that Hamas is acting in self defence:
[i][b]"when Hamas tries to defend itself they get crucified."[/b][/i]
is ludicrous and thick in the extreme

i'll ask you nicely ONE last time - please DO NOT reply to me.the fact that YOU stand by your comments is offensive.  You clearly have not read any of my replies properly - you just interpret words the way YOU want them to be - despite them meaning something else.
YOU sicken me. Please leave things alone now. reply to someone else.

NB - whoever is moderating this site - can you either remove [b]Jeffab1985[/b], warn him or remove ALL of his posts in this thread? this is far from just personal opinion - it's verging on racial provocation

Ok how do i remove my posts?

you can - use the edit button
but my quotes from you are permanent

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

Let's BOTH admit one thing about this middle east situation, like Northern Ireland, and every other bit of hate-filled dispute in the world - it's rooted in religion - the cause of all evil (ironic when you consider that God comes from the word GOOD). My point: people who take the "get off my land" approach seldom understand the complexities of these issues. [/QUOTE]

Respectfully (and I mean that - I'm not being sarcastic), I don't think that this is strictly accurate. Religion is involved, certainly, but it isn't a simple case of one religion against another, like neighbours with opposing ideological beliefs arguing over a flower border. The root of all evil is money (and therefore power), not religion, and in this case one side seems to have it all.

[QUOTE] [b]Zamidoo wrote:[/b]

The root of all evil is money (and therefore power), not religion... [/QUOTE]

Well... "evil" is a religious concept, so...

One factual point: "500+ years of post-Cromwellian tyranny" = 1650 to 2150! There was quite a bit of pre-Cromwellian tyranny too of course, with one third of the protestant population of Ulster killed in a violent sectarian campaign in the 1640s (and about one tenth of the protestant population of Ireland massacred in that same period). All of which shows that "who started it" arguments depend how far back in time one chooses to go. Anyway, sorry to hear that about your dad brenski. Dark days indeed. And your point about learning is a good one: one can learn from anyone, regardless of whether or not they have a History degree. Historians learn information gathering skills, as well as various theoretical approaches, and that does often open the door to wider knowledge, but a history degree doesn't give someone the wisdom to know what to do with that knowledge, nor does it magically bestow on them other very important qualities such as empathy, tolerance, balance, integrity, compassion, humility etc. And that's not a dig at anyone in this conversation, just an observation based on personal experience...

this ^^^
thank you


i could tell you a little tale about a return from Ireland in 1977 when I was 14 and the clip-round the ear i got from dad for an ill-considered "prize" i brought back form a beach in west cork when we stayed in skibbereen...

Casper would be surprised to learn that this was one of those experiences that teaches you more than history ever could.

[QUOTE] [b]Zamidoo wrote:[/b]Respectfully (and I mean that - I'm not being sarcastic), I don't think that this is strictly accurate. Religion is involved, certainly, but it isn't a simple case of one religion against another, like neighbours with opposing ideological beliefs arguing over a flower border. The root of all evil is money (and therefore power), not religion, and in this case one side seems to have it all.[/QUOTE]
sorry. have to disagree. religion was the cause of many more wars and disputes than money ever was. sure money becomes an issue some way down the line - when people forget what they are arguing about - and who's funding which cause start to chase their investments, but initially and fundamentally, it's belief.
belief, and God (of one sort or another) is the biggest cause of national and international dispute almost anywhere,... unfortunately mankind does more damage in the name of God than it does under any other umbrella.

[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]

the person I spoke with insisted Israel had the right and the obligation to destroy all threats to itself by any means possible - to hell with the death of innocents, to hell with history showing their method a failure.
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Genuine question - when is the last time such blind allegiance has been seen in human history? North Korea doesn't count, because North Koreans don't have access to information outside of what their government wants them to see. Can't say that about the (apparently) civilized world.

Lovely to see you here again.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/05/gaza-blockade-must-end-un-first-step-settlement


^ written by Jimmy Carter, one of the world's most foremost experts on the situation.

Essential reading for anyone who insists their feet are planted firmly onto the ground in reality.