This might be a bit technical, but I hope somebody will be able to help me :-)
On Christmas Eve 1975 Queen played in London, at the Hammersmith Odeon. This concert was broadcast simultaneously live on BBC TV (The Old Grey Whistle Test) and BBC Radio 1.
[b]The mixes[/b]
1) [b]The TV mix[/b] - basically the sound captured by the TV cameras, correct? It's mono, and of course it's edited - the TV broadcast started with an introduction by Bob Harris and ended right after Queen's rock and roll medley. The TV broadcast was later edited in many different forms, probably the most famous is the "Rock Legends" edit, which misses the intro to Now I'm Here, every mentioning of Christmas and couple of short trims.
What's the best source for this mix? I [i]guess[/i] the best source for the edited version would be the Japanese "[i]Christmas Eve At Hammersmith[/i] bootleg, correct? And what about the FULL version? (FULL = everything what was shown on TV). I know there are at least 2 versions of the TV broadcast circulating, both are from QTV, one has the timecode at the bottom and one at the top. What is the best source for this? For example the Snow bootleg has Jailhouse Rock in quality far superior than anything that I've heard before, any idea what could be the source of that?
2) [b]BBC Radio 1 mix[/b] - the original radio mix. Stereo, with great backing vocals, but with weak drums. What is the best source for it? I have 2 versions
- Westwood Radio 1 pre-FM CD, horribly edited with an annoying sound effect during Ogre Battle
- [b]A Very Special Christmas[/b] by Godfather, much more complete, but all mentions of Christmas are either simply cut out or lowered in the mix (like in Lap Of The Gods revisited).
And it runs faster as the recording progresses. Is there anything better? Of course the best thing ever would be a great quality stereo recording of the 1975 broadcast, but does something like that exist?
3) [b]The Swedish mix[/b] - my personal favourite with great sounding drums, but weak backing vocals. But again it's not complete. The [i] There Ain't No Sanity Clause[/i] bootleg adds the missing songs from the Rare Live VHS and a great copy of the BBC radio mix, so this is probably the best & longest copy we're gonna get, correct?
To explain why I'm doing this little "research" - as many of you know a few years ago I've created and shared a DVD of the full concert. After watching it yesterday after several years I'm pretty sure I can do it better.
I'd like to do a DVD with 3 different audio tracks, each track would be different mix. Of course that's why I'd need a great sounding complete version of each mix.
Can anybody point me in the correct direction?
Barry Durex · Member since
Young Jockey Edition?
.....and there is this one :)
http://p69sfjeyci.1fichier.com/
Doga · Member since
My favourite version is There Ain't No Sanity Clause. It has even better audio than the official Wembley and MK releases!
brians wig · Member since
Or you could just wait 12 months for it on DVD next Christmas.
Barry Durex · Member since
^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.
rocknrolllover · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.[/QUOTE]
I sure he change his mind
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
I'd like to do a DVD with 3 different audio tracks, each track would be different mix. Of course that's why I'd need a great sounding complete version of each mix.
Can anybody point me in the correct direction?[/QUOTE]
Looks like you've got it all figured out.
None of the three mixes above have the complete show (through Jailhouse Rock), so you may have to fill in the gaps with the other sources.
But the idea sounds fab to me ! Much better than jumping sources from song to song.
pittrek · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.[/QUOTE]
That's not precise. I HATE the new audio mix
pittrek · Member since
So basically to have the best sources I should
- merge the Christmas Eve bootleg and one of the QTV broadcasts (which one?) to get the TV mix
- merge the Westwood Radio One CD and A Very Special Christmas (and what else) to get the UK radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate)
- merge Sanity Clause and one of the TV sources to get the Swedish radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate)
Correct?
cmsdrums · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.[/QUOTE]
That's not precise. I HATE the new audio mix[/QUOTE]
Perhaps that could be one of the reasons they pulled it from release, and so when it does finally get released they have remixed it again?
I live for the day they remix Live at the Bowl so I can actually listen to the drums without feeling violated!!
DepeX · Member since
Sanity Clause includes the already COMPLETE swedish mix, although it misses some speeches (example: White Queen)
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.[/QUOTE]
That's not precise. I HATE the new audio mix[/QUOTE]
I have to concur.
I don't hear a concert from 1975. I hear 1975 and Pro Tools.
Luckily the Rainbow stuff still sounds like it's from 1974.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
So basically to have the best sources I should
- merge the Christmas Eve bootleg and one of the QTV broadcasts (which one?) to get the TV mix
- merge the Westwood Radio One CD and A Very Special Christmas (and what else) to get the UK radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate)
- merge Sanity Clause and one of the TV sources to get the Swedish radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate)
Correct?[/QUOTE]
Yup, that's probably the best you can do !
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
Perhaps that could be one of the reasons they pulled it from release, and so when it does finally get released they have remixed it again?
I live for the day they remix Live at the Bowl so I can actually listen to the drums without feeling violated!![/QUOTE]
I can only hope you're right on both counts.
But not before they put out 1977/79 boxes .. !
Oscar J · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b] Perhaps that could be one of the reasons they pulled it from release, and so when it does finally get released they have remixed it again?
I live for the day they remix Live at the Bowl so I can actually listen to the drums without feeling violated!![/QUOTE] What have they done to the sound anyway? I'm thinking compression with too slow attack and an overdose of reverb on top of that. Makes the drums sound so sloppy. :(
