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inu-liger
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
As for lighting-rigs - i think that's got nothing to do with the argument. it doesn't make a band karaoke if they don't have huge stage sets. some might argue that the bigger the show the less there is actually worth seeing/hearing?
As in the expression "all flash and no substance" - a facade if you like. [/QUOTE]
Indeed. It'd be like using that to call Elton John his own karaoke act everytime god forbid his current touring lighting rig or stage setup is smaller than his last one. Ridiculous.
As for lighting-rigs - i think that's got nothing to do with the argument. it doesn't make a band karaoke if they don't have huge stage sets. some might argue that the bigger the show the less there is actually worth seeing/hearing?
As in the expression "all flash and no substance" - a facade if you like. [/QUOTE]
Indeed. It'd be like using that to call Elton John his own karaoke act everytime god forbid his current touring lighting rig or stage setup is smaller than his last one. Ridiculous.
inu-liger
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
i have seen this lighting rig on you tube clips and to be honest not as impressive as Queens 1978 lighting rig the pizza oven.
but do not really know whats with the massive "Q" as they hardly have anything to represent it now do they?[/QUOTE]
Dude, YouTube clips don't do it ANY justice. You NEED to see it in person. Listen to the people who've actually BEEN to the shows like myself, Caroline (who I find myself in very rare agreement with here), and Rhye.
i have seen this lighting rig on you tube clips and to be honest not as impressive as Queens 1978 lighting rig the pizza oven.
but do not really know whats with the massive "Q" as they hardly have anything to represent it now do they?[/QUOTE]
Dude, YouTube clips don't do it ANY justice. You NEED to see it in person. Listen to the people who've actually BEEN to the shows like myself, Caroline (who I find myself in very rare agreement with here), and Rhye.
inu-liger
[QUOTE] [b]EDWOOD wrote:[/b]
Yes certain performers can and do perform well into their 70s although arguably Paul McCartney can be cited as someone whose vocal talents have diminished considerably. This is not a slight on him - it happens. No-one can sound the same in their 70s as they can in their 20s or 30s.
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Oh indeed age is a bitch to work around once you hit your senior years as a musician, I'm very sure.
At least Paul has taken incredibly good care of his voice, even more impressively when you take into account his trademark screams and other vocal quirks. When I saw him in Edmonton, honestly the only numbers I really noticed his voice wavering was in the soft numbers ("Blackbird" and "Yesterday" come to mind) and you can hear it in my bootleg recording.
And unlike Roger Waters who relies on backing tracks for what's clearly to him the vocally riskier numbers, Paul sings and performs 100% live.
Yes certain performers can and do perform well into their 70s although arguably Paul McCartney can be cited as someone whose vocal talents have diminished considerably. This is not a slight on him - it happens. No-one can sound the same in their 70s as they can in their 20s or 30s.
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Oh indeed age is a bitch to work around once you hit your senior years as a musician, I'm very sure.
At least Paul has taken incredibly good care of his voice, even more impressively when you take into account his trademark screams and other vocal quirks. When I saw him in Edmonton, honestly the only numbers I really noticed his voice wavering was in the soft numbers ("Blackbird" and "Yesterday" come to mind) and you can hear it in my bootleg recording.
And unlike Roger Waters who relies on backing tracks for what's clearly to him the vocally riskier numbers, Paul sings and performs 100% live.
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
As with any live performance, you have to be there to really appreciate it. I've seen the pizza oven rig (they used it in 2012
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Caroline, the rig you saw in 2012 wasn't The Pizza oven. The last time that rig was used was at Hammersmith 1979.
The 2012 rig was designed by Rob Sinclair, and made up of 6 mobile grids. It was fitted with Mac 312 multi directional and colour changing lamps. The lamps were chosen and the rig was designed to evoke the feeling of the late 70's and early 80's Queen show. I believe it achieved this really well.
The problem with Gerry, is that he is an arm chair critic and passes on views as if he has seen something he hasn't, hence the comments about the current production
As with any live performance, you have to be there to really appreciate it. I've seen the pizza oven rig (they used it in 2012
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Caroline, the rig you saw in 2012 wasn't The Pizza oven. The last time that rig was used was at Hammersmith 1979.
The 2012 rig was designed by Rob Sinclair, and made up of 6 mobile grids. It was fitted with Mac 312 multi directional and colour changing lamps. The lamps were chosen and the rig was designed to evoke the feeling of the late 70's and early 80's Queen show. I believe it achieved this really well.
The problem with Gerry, is that he is an arm chair critic and passes on views as if he has seen something he hasn't, hence the comments about the current production
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]wow yeah i remember freddie at montreux rock festival 1986and his voice did shake the place to its foundations.[/QUOTE]surely you mean "that backing tape did shake the place to its foundations" ???
you do realise that it was a mimed performance don't you? Freddie's mike was only really live for the in-between songs banter and the vocal ad-lib thingy.[/QUOTE]
Gerry, you going to reply to this? or is this just more proof that your queen knowledge isn't actually knowledge?
can't believe you actually thought a mimed performance was live
you do realise that it was a mimed performance don't you? Freddie's mike was only really live for the in-between songs banter and the vocal ad-lib thingy.[/QUOTE]
Gerry, you going to reply to this? or is this just more proof that your queen knowledge isn't actually knowledge?
can't believe you actually thought a mimed performance was live
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
wow yeah i remember freddie at montreux rock festival 1986
and his voice did shake the place to its foundations.[/QUOTE]
surely you mean "that backing tape did shake the place to its foundations" ???
you do realise that it was a mimed performance don't you? Freddie's mike was only really live for the in-between songs banter and the vocal ad-lib thingy.
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And with that we can discard Gerry's limited to none existent musical credibility as it sings quicker than HMS Hood in the sea of total bollocks in which he seems to sail
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
wow yeah i remember freddie at montreux rock festival 1986
and his voice did shake the place to its foundations.[/QUOTE]
surely you mean "that backing tape did shake the place to its foundations" ???
you do realise that it was a mimed performance don't you? Freddie's mike was only really live for the in-between songs banter and the vocal ad-lib thingy.
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And with that we can discard Gerry's limited to none existent musical credibility as it sings quicker than HMS Hood in the sea of total bollocks in which he seems to sail
Vocal harmony
^^^^^ Sinks not sings!
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.Mouth wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]Just think Brian and Roger doing there version of Bostons "More than a feeling"[/QUOTE]neither of them could reach Brad Delph's notes - in fact I doubt Freddie coulda reach the high extremes of Brad's range.[/QUOTE]Brad is very good singer but in a way of strenght or sing high like Freddie is immposible. You forget when Freddie sings high he is like a powerhouse,so much strenght in that notes that itsure can fill stadiums withou mic..hehe
Freddie Mercury is Real Deal, its just a fact,he is the one you cant argue abou nothing just deal that he is the best!Look at Montreux86 his vocal exhibition.. He kils it with strenght,POWERFULL!! [/QUOTE]
stop making idiotic comments - you're sounding like gerry.
two things:
1. Brad was reaching notes live almost into his fifties that freddie didn't manage into his forties. Brad's higher end was actually better than Freddie's - with Roger actually singing much of the high-end backing in the studio.
2. As I said to Gerry (something he has YET to reply to) don't cite Montreux 86 as a vocal exhibition - it was ONLY 18 minutes of which 16 minutes was mimed...only the improv was actually sung live..
and before you ignorantly discount Brad's vocals, listen properly to "More Than A Feeling", "A Man I'll Never Be", "Feeling Satisfied", "Amanda", "Cool The Engines", "What's Your Name" and almost everything else he sang with Boston - top quality - right up there with Ronnie James, Percy Plant and freddie....
listen to "Can'tcha Say" from "third stage" - and really listen...it's vocal perfection.
Freddie Mercury is Real Deal, its just a fact,he is the one you cant argue abou nothing just deal that he is the best!Look at Montreux86 his vocal exhibition.. He kils it with strenght,POWERFULL!! [/QUOTE]
stop making idiotic comments - you're sounding like gerry.
two things:
1. Brad was reaching notes live almost into his fifties that freddie didn't manage into his forties. Brad's higher end was actually better than Freddie's - with Roger actually singing much of the high-end backing in the studio.
2. As I said to Gerry (something he has YET to reply to) don't cite Montreux 86 as a vocal exhibition - it was ONLY 18 minutes of which 16 minutes was mimed...only the improv was actually sung live..
and before you ignorantly discount Brad's vocals, listen properly to "More Than A Feeling", "A Man I'll Never Be", "Feeling Satisfied", "Amanda", "Cool The Engines", "What's Your Name" and almost everything else he sang with Boston - top quality - right up there with Ronnie James, Percy Plant and freddie....
listen to "Can'tcha Say" from "third stage" - and really listen...it's vocal perfection.
The King Of Rhye
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I dont think they had stuff like lasers in 78 tho
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They actually did. Zeppelin used them in 77 for Page's bow solo.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected! At any rate tho, I dont think Queen was using em yet......lol
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I dont think they had stuff like lasers in 78 tho
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They actually did. Zeppelin used them in 77 for Page's bow solo.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected! At any rate tho, I dont think Queen was using em yet......lol
The King Of Rhye
[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
"why not Kerry Ellis? Great voice"
But not that great. Honestly, the low calibre of some of the singers that get suggested here just boggles the mind.
Kerry Ellis hasn't done anything wrong but she's just not that good. It really is like grabbing a valet in his first week at work, knowing that he drives cars for a living, and expecting him to be ready to win races at Laguna Seca.
Some guest singers have been good for shits and giggles, but the Queen+ model has been mostly shonky since it came about. I maintain that I'm glad Brian and Roger are still gigging, and I'd see them if I could, but the people they choose to work with are a bloody pain to listen to sometimes. Culminating in having some random Ukrainian Idol contestant guesting on WWRY a couple of years back, it's obvious to me that Brian is just too nice a guy to say 'no' anymore. That doesn't make him a shitty guy, but the revolving door approach is putting them closer and closer to being just a very expensive open mic night.
Gaga's guest spot was fucking awful too.[/QUOTE]
I've heard Anthems, and one Brian&Kerry bootleg........she sounds better than 'not that great' to me....but again, thats a matter of opinion, I guess......I think you might be right about Brian not saying no to anyone, tho.........that Lady Gaga thing was hideous........lol
"why not Kerry Ellis? Great voice"
But not that great. Honestly, the low calibre of some of the singers that get suggested here just boggles the mind.
Kerry Ellis hasn't done anything wrong but she's just not that good. It really is like grabbing a valet in his first week at work, knowing that he drives cars for a living, and expecting him to be ready to win races at Laguna Seca.
Some guest singers have been good for shits and giggles, but the Queen+ model has been mostly shonky since it came about. I maintain that I'm glad Brian and Roger are still gigging, and I'd see them if I could, but the people they choose to work with are a bloody pain to listen to sometimes. Culminating in having some random Ukrainian Idol contestant guesting on WWRY a couple of years back, it's obvious to me that Brian is just too nice a guy to say 'no' anymore. That doesn't make him a shitty guy, but the revolving door approach is putting them closer and closer to being just a very expensive open mic night.
Gaga's guest spot was fucking awful too.[/QUOTE]
I've heard Anthems, and one Brian&Kerry bootleg........she sounds better than 'not that great' to me....but again, thats a matter of opinion, I guess......I think you might be right about Brian not saying no to anyone, tho.........that Lady Gaga thing was hideous........lol
SweetCaroline
[QUOTE] [b]cexycy wrote:[/b]
How about no extra front man? Brian May and Roger Taylor have both fronted live gigs before, so why not let them do one together? That way you hear Queen as Queen. (Brian and Roger still exist as Queen, so that last sentance is technically true. )[/QUOTE]
I don't know why there is so much fuss about Brian and Roger using the Queen name even when they are careful to call a collaboration with a guest singer, Queen + ______!
I'm going to see "Foreigner" in November and the only remaining guy from the original band is Mick Jones. THEY don't seem to have a problem using the original name. Neither does Journey with Arnel Pineda as their front man!
How about no extra front man? Brian May and Roger Taylor have both fronted live gigs before, so why not let them do one together? That way you hear Queen as Queen. (Brian and Roger still exist as Queen, so that last sentance is technically true. )[/QUOTE]
I don't know why there is so much fuss about Brian and Roger using the Queen name even when they are careful to call a collaboration with a guest singer, Queen + ______!
I'm going to see "Foreigner" in November and the only remaining guy from the original band is Mick Jones. THEY don't seem to have a problem using the original name. Neither does Journey with Arnel Pineda as their front man!
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]I'm going to see "Foreigner" in November and the only remaining guy from the original band is Mick Jones. THEY don't seem to have a problem using the original name. Neither does Journey with Arnel Pineda as their front man![/QUOTE]
yeah, but Foreigner and Journey clearly don't have stepford lunatic fans like RocknRollblunder & Gezza ...or if they do then they had them all locked up in asylums
yeah, but Foreigner and Journey clearly don't have stepford lunatic fans like RocknRollblunder & Gezza ...or if they do then they had them all locked up in asylums
SweetCaroline
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]I'm going to see "Foreigner" in November and the only remaining guy from the original band is Mick Jones. THEY don't seem to have a problem using the original name. Neither does Journey with Arnel Pineda as their front man![/QUOTE]
yeah, but Foreigner and Journey clearly don't have stepford lunatic fans like RocknRollblunder & Gezza ...or if they do then they had them all locked up in asylums
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Good one! LOLOLOL
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]I'm going to see "Foreigner" in November and the only remaining guy from the original band is Mick Jones. THEY don't seem to have a problem using the original name. Neither does Journey with Arnel Pineda as their front man![/QUOTE]
yeah, but Foreigner and Journey clearly don't have stepford lunatic fans like RocknRollblunder & Gezza ...or if they do then they had them all locked up in asylums
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Good one! LOLOLOL
SweetCaroline
This is probably out of place in this thread, but I just found this excellent review of the QAL show in San Jose, California this past July which explains why people should want to see this show:
"Queen + Adam Lambert: It’s A Kind of Magic," July 6, 2014 by Linda Garnett
"I advise you to put aside your pre-conceptions and run, don’t walk, to get a ticket to this once in a lifetime event. Watching the videos on YouTube doesn’t do this show or Lambert’s voice justice. You have to experience it live. And when you do, Queen and Adam Lambert will most definitely rock your world."
http://www.garnettresearch.com/concerts/queen-adam-lambert-kind-magic/
"Queen + Adam Lambert: It’s A Kind of Magic," July 6, 2014 by Linda Garnett
"I advise you to put aside your pre-conceptions and run, don’t walk, to get a ticket to this once in a lifetime event. Watching the videos on YouTube doesn’t do this show or Lambert’s voice justice. You have to experience it live. And when you do, Queen and Adam Lambert will most definitely rock your world."
http://www.garnettresearch.com/concerts/queen-adam-lambert-kind-magic/